Did Lucifer and the "fallen angels" Actually create a new heaven? Are we in it?

I have been doing a bit of thinking...and a bit of research as well on the topic im about to discuss.
First let me ask you this,WHAT IS HEAVEN,and WHAT IS HELL?

Is it what the bible says...an eternity in either pleasure or pain?
Is hell the reincarnation onto this dimension over...and over..and over until you "get it right" Imagine dieing...and knowing that there is SOMETHING BIGGER...SOMETHING BETTER...and everyone you once loved and cared for IS THERE...and you have to go BACK to the place you are "tired of" again...to learn something you couldn't quite get. Well that would be hell wouldn't it?

I thought about heaven and hell...and man...and how the world is today, and how it has always been. It seems that very rapidly and "all the sudden" man became civilized, it began to "learn"...build...farm...
One could say they just "evolved"...others say aliens came and taught man how to be "more modern".

Im not a very holy person, but the story of LUCIFER came to my mind.
WHO AND WHAT IS LUCIFER??

Lucifer was an Angel of god. Actually one of the "HEAD ONES". Lucifer however wanted to be AS POWERFUL as god...or quite literally BE GOD.
God himself told Lucifer you can not be me...the other angels told him as well. So in the end, Lucifer was "KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN" and was told to rule on earth. That he could only stay IN THAT DIMENSION, and would never be able to come back to Heaven. He was forever "banned".

What kind of iniquity was found of him? In the book of Ezekiel, God has let us stand with Him at the very beginning, to see the origin and the creation of Satan. But, why does God say this? What is this iniquity? We must look back to Isaiah 14:12, which tells us of Lucifer/Satan's choice. "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit on the mount of assembly on the heights of Zaphon; I will ascend to the tops of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High." Did you notice in this passage all of the "I wills. " He said he would exalt his throne above the stars of God. The word "stars" here does not refer to what we see in the night sky. It refers to the angels of God. In other words, "I will take over heaven, I will be God." That is Lucifer/Satan's sin and that is the iniquity that was found in him. He does not want to be God's servant. He does not want to do what he was created to do. He wants to be served and there are millions who have chosen to do just that; serve him. They have listened to his lies and chosen to follow him. Eve believed the lie that she would be like God. The reason Lucifer/Satan tempted her with that was because it is the very thing that he wants -- to be God.

Now let us think and disect this for a moment. Pretend your Lucifer...you KNOW the knowledge of the Universe...you know Heaven, how powerful how amazing it is. You know higher dimensions, you basically KNOW things... Now imagine if something KICKED YOU OUT...and told you to stay on "EARTH". Like I stated above. That would quite literally BE HELL for most of us. Say we die, and we constantly reincarnate over and over again, and every time we die...we find out the answers, just to be told "go do it again' That would be hell for most of us if not all.

Lucifer AND his fallen angels both experienced and are experiencing this (if the story is true). So in reality...could we quite literally be living in hell? I know it might sound "a little out there"...but how would you know? how could you tell?
Hell is designed to KEEP YOU HERE FOR ETERNITY. Think of the world today. Think of how people are...the lessons we learn...the morals we take. We do actions...we say things...we harm others...we quite literally ENSURE that we will "not be beter" and that we WILL STAY HERE...reincarnating...forever...and ever..UNTIL...we get the idea and picture. I might sound a bit on the negative side, but does it really sound outlandish?

NOW THINK ABOUT IT..
If Lucifer can not go back to heaven...then the next obvious step is....

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TO CREATE ONE OF YOUR OWN.

God wants beings of peace and love...and if you WANT TO BE LIKE GOD...but obviously your holding a HUGE GRUDGE...what would you do? PRRROBABLY the exact opposite. Thus evil, greed, and sinners are born. Honestly are we happy with the lives we have today?
DO YOU TRUELLY like paying bills? going to work, spending all this time and effort into school...to just have a job that you most likely will get bored of years after starting, living a life that seems non satisfying.
OR...is it more like we were happier BEFORE all this. We seem to try to feel an empty void in ourselves with the newest ipods...the iphone...the newest trends in clothes.
QUITE LITERALLY Lucifer created his own heaven on earth. Just...not in the fashion we're used to.

COULD THESE ALIENS have been the fallen angels?
They quite literally taught us the meaning of greed...ego...and sin. TO FARM is to be "LIKE GOD" we control our surroundings...we control NATURE. TO CONTROL NATURE is to be :LIKE GOD:...perhaps all the fallen angels had to do is "show us" another way we COULD BE...and then it we took it at full speed.

Why is it so hard for us to BE GOOD. When we kill, hurt,steal, cheat,lie, cuss, hurt others...WE KNOW IN OUR HEARTS...it wasn't right...that it was "WRONG" and we feel bad...even if it takes us til the moment we die. WE FEEL WRONG. why do we struggle sooo much to be a good person? quite literally we ARE IN HELL. We ARE fighting ourselves OUT OF HELL. Think about how many people you know, that have hurt u. Literally they did actions they KNOW they shouldn't yet they did...and if your judged off your actions when you die...then you go to hell (come back to earth or whatever you want to believe)

And think about it this way....how many GOOD people do you know...100% pure good people....VERSUS...how many BAD people you know...
How many good vs. bad people do you encounter in your life?
FARRRR MORE BAD.
and that raises the thought of...who's idea of heaven is ACTUALLY WINNING??

Lucifer...

LUCIFER literally created and "over threw" god...in the sense of "WHOS HELL" has more people...
its just a thought. Im not evil, im a Buddhist...i believe in peace etc. But I find it rather interesting when I think of this story.

what says you?

I have considered this before. It seems like a very valid observation. But there are a TON of other questions that could be asked if this were the case. I will not go into them here. But suffice to say, the list is nearly endless.

We have to keep in mind though, the statistics. While the current world population is outstandingly high as compared to the world population of 400 years ago, we still have to count all the good people who have died since the supposed "Creation of man" and went to heaven up till now. Versus the 6 or 7 biillion who are reincarnating. And if world population is getting higher and higher, then where are all the extra souls coming from? Surely it would progressively get lower if X amount of people each year, finally realize after their 400th death, what they are doing wrong.

I agree with OP's theory but to reply to why are there more people on earth than before if everyone has lived X amount of lifetimes,.. well from what I "heard/read", this place, this dimension, maybe just this planet is pretty much a place where higher beings can come and "experience" life as a physical being. The catch is though, once you incarnate as a human or other being in the 3D..welll, you forget who you are, and start the endless reincarnation cycle.

So all in all I think this whole dimension is just a trap for multi dimensional beings and once you are in it (hey everyones curious to see what its like) you forget everything and get trapped.

Originally posted by Mr. Toodles
I have considered this before. It seems like a very valid observation. But there are a TON of other questions that could be asked if this were the case. I will not go into them here. But suffice to say, the list is nearly endless.

We have to keep in mind though, the statistics. While the current world population is outstandingly high as compared to the world population of 400 years ago, we still have to count all the good people who have died since the supposed "Creation of man" and went to heaven up till now. Versus the 6 or 7 biillion who are reincarnating. And if world population is getting higher and higher, then where are all the extra souls coming from? Surely it would progressively get lower if X amount of people each year, finally realize after their 400th death, what they are doing wrong.

true, that thought came into my head, just as fast as this.
I once read in a book that our souls are "being blocked" from going to heaven. That there is somewhat a "block" to our REAL heaven. The thought occurred that...
what if "these angels" that created us...we literally LUCIFER'S own soul base.
What if Lucifer (who was gods right hand man, and knew almost just as much), found a way to CREATE SOULS...what if souls can be created?

dunno just a thought

but yea, i thought about souls...where do they come from? is there a "factory of souls" being made?
but then i thought about YOU being a 6 dimension being...
if you knew something bad was going to happen to a 3rd density...would YOU go and help? because you KNOW when you die...your going to come right back here...so "whats the harm?"
maybe thats all life is... reoccurring circulating over and over and over and over

You're probably talking about the soulcatcher.
Some say it's on the moon, some say it's in under the Bermuda triangle.

Originally posted by Ayrton
You're probably talking about the soulcatcher.
Some say it's on the moon, some say it's in under the Bermuda triangle.

possibly? i didnt really READ MORE INTO IT, i cant remember for what reason, but i think i was short on time. But i was really really interested in what they were talking about.
Could you guys possibly elaborate on it?

i never thought of this,its a very very good theory star and flag from me

Originally posted by Stillalive
i never thought of this,its a very very good theory star and flag from me

Thank you i appreciate it. I wrote a thread on here from an OLD ACCOUNT awhile back (forgot the password) and everyone seemed to like it...i assumed the same would happen on this one haha
so thaaank you for the star/flag =]
much appreciated