Masons and conspiracy theories

Originally posted by Guy Kawasaki

Your repsonses are insufficient.

Not my words...another reporters...

Para 7"Police called the shooting "completely accidental," but Eid was charged with second-degree manslaughter. He pleaded innocent and bail was set at $2,500."

This adds nothing to shed light on Mayo's comments in the AP article from March 10, 2004, saying it was an initiation into the Fellow Craft within Masonary.

Hrmmm when the police...the people that actually INVESTIGATED the crime said that it was completely accidental?!?! And of course this doesn't address that issue that's latter in the article...this paragraph has to do with MOTIVE.....

Para 13 "I have never heard of anything like that," agreed Len Henderson, a 30-year member of a lodge in Portsmouth, N.H. "I was extremely upset to think people would think this had anything to do with a legitimate Masonic initiation."

This adds nothing still. Because some 30 year old guy named Len who is a Freemason says he has never heard of this before, so it must necessarily never have happened? Poor logic. This proves nothing and does not address Mayo's comments.

Oh wait....so this is an admitted 30yr member of the Fraternity...in a totally different location saying "I was extremely upset to think people would think this had anything to do with a legitimate Masonic initiation"
Doesn't that make you think...maybe this *isn't* part of the normal initiation rites.....maybe what others (including the author of this article) are saying is correct and maybe, just maybe the ONE reporter is wrong..

A man is dead at the hands of a fraternity brother...a travisty to say the least....

Para 17 "There are three levels of entry into the organization: apprentice, fellow craft and master Mason. Although the Patchogue group used the name "Fellow Craft" for its social group, it is unrelated to the second-degree moniker officially sanctioned by the Masons, said Robert Leonard, a spokesman for the New York State Freemasons."

Spokeman's for Freemasons are not going to cut it on this one. Moreover, this, again, says nothing to shed light on Mayo's comments.

Your reply has failed to further this case any. Once again, nobody has shown, with any evidence whatever, that the AP article on March 10 in the Washington Post is incorrect in regards to Mayo's comments. Further, nobody has addressed witness statements talking of gun rituals going back 70 years. Nobody has shown how old the supposed "Fellow Craft Club" is. Therefore, this case is not closed.

Well you're accepting Mayo's comments as being a spokesman for Freemasonry, what makes this guy any different?.....oh wait he's not saying what you want to hear.....

The age of this "Fellowcraft Club" is irrelevant to man getting killed...does it matter if the accident happend on the first time or the 5millionth? No...same result. So how long they have been doing this has no bearing whatsoever.

I love this....Everyone says the reporter is wrong, so he must be right....attitude. One must keep in mind that:
A) reporters make mistakes, not unlike anyone else.
B) The man quoted just saw a man/friend/brother die...it stands to reason that he would be upset and could verywell have mis-spoken.
C) The reporter could've paraphrased (they never do that ) and without realizing changed the meaning of the statement.
D) The reporter might have flat out misunderstood what he was saying.

I guarantee that if the SAME reporter went and asked Mayo about his comments that he would say what we've been saying all along.....that the shooting had nothing to do with any of the degrees in Masonry.

Originally posted by Guy Kawasaki
Your repsonses are insufficient.
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This adds nothing to shed light on Mayo's comments in the AP article from March 10, 2004, saying it was an initiation into the Fellow Craft within Masonary.

I don'y understand why this is an issue. It is onviously a mistalke on the part of this Mayo guy, so why is this a problem? He mistook the Fellowcraft Club with the Fellowcraft degree, which are two separate things, and you guys believe theres a case out of this? Sorry, but no.

This adds nothing still. Because some 30 year old guy named Len who is a Freemason says he has never heard of this before, so it must necessarily never have happened? Poor logic. This proves nothing and does not address Mayo's comments.

Actually, his quote, like many other masons' quotes, show that this was an isolated incident and not common practice throughout the fraternity.

Para 17 "There are three levels of entry into the organization: apprentice, fellow craft and master Mason. Although the Patchogue group used the name "Fellow Craft" for its social group, it is unrelated to the second-degree moniker officially sanctioned by the Masons, said Robert Leonard, a spokesman for the New York State Freemasons."

Spokeman's for Freemasons are not going to cut it on this one. Moreover, this, again, says nothing to shed light on Mayo's comments.

Why does this not shed light on Mayo's comments? It shows he was mistaken in his article!!! It shows you that this was a private initiation into a private club of which a majority of masons interviewed had no knowledge.

Your reply has failed to further this case any. Once again, nobody has shown, with any evidence whatever, that the AP article on March 10 in the Washington Post is incorrect in regards to Mayo's comments.

Yes we have! How can you honestly say this!?!? You're grasping at straws buddy....

Further, nobody has addressed witness statements talking of gun rituals going back 70 years. Nobody has shown how old the supposed "Fellow Craft Club" is. Therefore, this case is not closed.

How is the age of this private club relevant to this investigation? How is it relevant to the case in general?

The Free Masons are definetly an underground society that has plotted in the past and is still plotting to infiltrate our government with their own
intertwined ( Cultic and Occultic Beliefs ) that stem back to the 1400's. And yes most of their symbolism had come from the Occult and even guess what ? Islam ! Is this really a master plan of the East to destroy the West ?

Could there be an unforseen force leading this ? Well if they base their secret society on the Occult and is so secret that they won't come out and talk about their REAL UNDERLINING AGENDA whos knows ? Just some things to make us think ! Enjoy a history lesson.



Mysterious Beginnings
(1) Islamic Parallels

"Sufi historian Indries Shah traces the name of the Illuminati back to a verse in the Koran which mentions a shining star..."
- Robert Anton Wilson, Cosmic Trigger

"The term 'Illuminati' was used by one early writer, Menendez Pelayo, as early as 1492 and is attributable to a group known as the 'Alumbrados' of Spain. The Alumbrados were said to receive secret knowledge from an unknown higher source, resulting in superior human intelligence. This group was condemned by an edict of the Grand Inquisition in 1623..."

"Some writers claim that a group know as the 'Illuminated Ones' was founded by Joachim of Floris in the eleventh century and taught a primitive, supposedly Christian doctrine of 'poverty and equality'."
- William T. Still, New World Order

"The sixteenth century saw the rise of a powerful society based upon a secret cult, in the mountains of Afghanistan - the Roshaniya, Illuminated ones."

"The earliest figure named in the history of the cult is one Bayezid Ansari, of Afghanistan, whose family claimed descent from the Ansar - the 'Helpers', who assisted Mohammed after his flight from Mecca nearly fourteen hundred years ago. As a reward for this service, he stated, his ancestors had been granted initiation into the mysteries of the Ishmaelite religion: the secret, inner training which dated from Abraham's rebuilding of the Temple at Mecca, the mystical Hiram."

"Not far from Peshawar, which is now in the north-west of Pakistan, Bayezid set up a small school, where he carefully coached those who had been initiated by him in the knowledge of the supernatural that he claimed. A period of probation was expected from each candidate, during which he would to into periods of concealment or meditation, known as khilwat - silence. During this time he was to receive the illumination which was emanated from the supreme being, who desired a class of perfect men- and women- to carry out the organization and direction of the world."

Merchants and soldiers "contributed lavishly to the chief's upkeep and his most expensive military, political and espionage system." At this stage of success, Bayezid now preached that there was "no after-life of the kind currently believed in: no reward or punishment, only a spirit state which was completely different from earthly life. The spirits, if they belonged to the Order, could continue to enjoy themselves and be earthly powers, acting through living members....Eat, drink and be merry. Gain power, look after yourself. You have no allegiance except to the Order, he told them: and all humanity which cannot identify itself by our secret sign is our lawful prey."

"Forty years after the last religio-military leader of the Afghan Illuminate Ones died, a society of the same name (the Illuminati) came into being in Germany, formed, it is said, by Adam Weishaupt, the young professor of Canon Law at Ingolstadt University. Coincidences of date and beliefs connect these Bavarian Illuminati with the Afghan ones, and also with other cults which called themselves 'Illuminated'."
- Arkon Daraul, Secret Societies

One of my correspondents has pointed out that in Mary Shelly's novel Frankenstein, Victor Frankenstein was also in Ingoldstatdt around 1790 creating his famous monster. "Coincidence...or was there something Mary Shelly was trying to tell us?"

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(2) Adam Weishaupt

"Rather than obey the dictates of the real, and adjust himself to his reduced limits, late eighteenth-century man took refuge among phantoms; satisfying his nostalgia with the marvels offered by impostors and necromancers, he fled matter and denied its existence....A whole culture was collapsing."
- A. Viatte, Les Sources occultes du Romantisme: Illuminisme-Theosophie 1770-1820

Adam Weishaupt "adopted the teachings of radical French philosophers such as Jean Jacques Rousseau (1712-1778) and the anti-Christian doctrines of the Manicheans. He was indoctrinated in Egyptian occultism in 1771 by a merchant of unknown origin named Kolmer, who was said to have traveled Europe in search of converts."
- William T. Still, New World Order

"Brilliant and well trained by the Jesuits in the conspiratorial methods of access to power, young Weishaupt decided to organize a body of conspirators, determined to free the world from the Jesuitical rule of Rome and help humanity back to the pristine Christian faith of the hermetic martyrs. He is reputed to have been initiated by a German merchant named Kolmer, he had spent many years in Egypt, into a secret doctrine based on Manichaeism. Mayday of 1776, Weishaupt founded his own sect of the Very Perfectibles - better known as the Illuminati - with five original members, self-described as reformist libertarians, partisans of absolute equality."
- Peter Tompkins, The Magic of Obelisks

"Adam Weishaupt, Professor of Canon Law at the University of Ingolstadt, conceived the idea of founding an order which, by mutual helpfulness, counsel, and philosophic discussions, would increase morality and virtue, lay the foundation for the reformation of the world, and oppose the progress of evil, all of which objectives were expressed in the name, 'Order of Perfectibilists' or 'Perfectionists', which was soon changed to 'Illuminati', which is best translated as 'intellectually inspired'. Modesty and humility seems to have been no trait of Weishaupt, for he was one of the first to attempt to fly with little knowledge of human aerodynamics. His ambition outweighed his judgement; his ideals were too refined for a rude world. Like many other promoters, Weishaupt sought the aid of Freemasonry to give his machine both propulsion and ballast. But it dragged Freemasonry down without helping Illuminism very much. He was too shrewd and subtle for his own good, though such qualities gave him headway for a time. Although he formerly belonged to the Jesuits, he secured admission to a lodge of Freemasons in 1777. Ironically, that was named 'Lodge of Caution'."

"We are not informed as to just how Weishaupt became associated with Adolph Franz Friedrich Ludwid Baron Von Knigge, for the latter lived in North Germany, was of the nobility, and, after his initiation in 1773, showed little interest in Freemasonry. But noblemen were found in abundance in the most fraudulent orders in Germany claiming some Masonic connections. Weishaupt, in 1780, dispatched the Marquis de Costanzo to propagate Illuminism in the north and Knigge probably then first showed interest in the society. He became more and more enthusiastic as the plan was revealed to him, and, in 1781, accepted the invitation to visit Bavaria and receive full access to all of Weishaupt's materials. Knigge not only completed the scale of degrees but became a proponent of them, bringing to his aid the assistance of Johann J. C. Bode, a prominent German Mason. The order was at first very popular and attracted, it is said, some of the best men in Germany and some of the worst. It had 2000 names on its rolls and spread to France, Belgium, Holland, Denamrk, Sweden, Poland, Hungary, and Italy."
- Henry Wilson Coil, Coil's Masonic Encyclopedia, 1961

"Unable in Catholic Bavaria to achieve this utopian goal by direct means, Weishaupt determined to work from within an existing organization: the Masonic order....By 1779, there were 54 members of the Illuminati, mostly young noblemen and clergymen, established in four Bavarian cities. Thereafter, with the help of a Masonic bookseller, Johann Bode, the order branched out through Southern Germany and Austria, and down into France and Northern Italy, intellectuals, such as Goethe, Schiller, Mozart, and Herder were attracted."
- Peter Tompkins, The Magic of Obelisks

"Knigge, especially, was a highly religious and intellectual man and would have had nothing to do with that or any other order which was anti-Christian, yet, the vicious attacks and accusations by Baruel and Robison had great influence, and it was even charged that the Illuminati were themselves agents of the Jesuits, though the latter were opposing it in their usual secret manner. The Illuminati were extremely secretive, even identifying themselves and their chapters by assumed classical names; for examples, Weishaupt was Spartacus, Knigge was Philo, Ingolstadt, the headquarters, was Eleusis, Austria was Egypt, etc. Dates were given in a sort of cryptography."
- Henry Wilson Coil, Coil's Masonic Encyclopedia, 1961

Thomas Jefferson "strenuously defended the Illuminati, and described Weishaupt as 'an enthusiastic philanthropist'."
- William T. Still, New World Order



"As Weishaupt lived under the tyranny of a despot and priests, he knew that caution was necessary even in spreading information, and the principles of pure morality. This has given an air of mystery to his views, was the foundation of his banishment....If Weishaupt had written here, where no secrecy is necessary in our endeavors to render men wise and virtuous, he would not have thought of any secret machinery for that purpose."
- Thomas Jefferson

"The Illuminati were finally beset by both internal and external disorders, for Weishaupt found fault with some of Knigge's ritualistic work and peremptorily ordered it changed, whereupon, Knigge became disgusted and resigned in 1784. The Jesuits had fought it from the first and eventually all priests became its active enemies and raised so much opposition that the Elector of Bavaria supressed the Order by edict, June 22, 1784, many Illuminati being imprisoned and some, including Weishaupt, being forced to flee the country. Though the first edict had been obeyed, it was repeated in March and August, 1785. Not only Illuminism, but Freemasonry was exterminated in Bavaria and neither ever recovered its former position. The Illuminati seem to have completely disappeared everywhere by the end of the 18th century."
- Henry Wilson Coil, Coil's Masonic Encyclopedia, 1961

"The suppression of the Illuminati of Bavaria in 1785 created a tremendous furor whose echoes reached as far as New England, drawing George Washington out in support of the suspect American Freemasons. In fact the Illuminati proved to be the unwilling occasion for the birth of modern conspiracy theory. Wildly exaggerated accounts of their supposed wickedness and of the imminent peril which they represented for society were published in a great epidemic of pamphlets. Their secrecy, their insistence on recruitment of important civil servants, their concealment of the true aims of the society from all but a few highly placed initiates, combined to make them into the bogeymen not only of the German conservatives but of a wider European public. Four years later, when the French Revolution broke out, the mythical beliefs about the Illuminati of Bavaria were incorporated in a vaster and wilder conspiracy theory, which found room also for the Templars."
- Peter Partner, The Murdered Magicians

"What is today called the conspiracy theory was born in the flood tide of books, pamphlets, and articles denouncing the Illuminati and linking them to an ever-lengthening list of other supposed plotters. The scope of the accusations is reflected in the title of one anti-Illuminati book, published in 1797: Proofs of a Conspiracy against All the Religions and Governments of Europe, Carried On in the Secret Meetings of Free Masons, Illuminati, and reading Societies, Collected from Good Authorities....The 170-year-old Proofs of a Conspiracy was reissued in 1967 by the John Birch Society, which apparently considered the Illuminati a clear and present danger."
- Ancient Wisdom and Secret Sects

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(3) Rites of the Illuminati

"The aristocratic mumbo-jumbo of the Templar lodges pandered to the confused conservatism of the German nobles and ad a great deal in common with the mumbo-jumbo of the Rosicrucians, to whose ideas the Illuminati were absolutely opposed. The Bavarian Illuminati were an austere emanation of the spirit of the German Professorate, inspired by a consciously bourgeois program, irreligious and radical."
- Peter Partner, The Murdered Magicians

"The ceremonies were divided into three principal classes and those into degrees as follows:

I- The Nursery
1. Preparatory Literary Essay
2. Novitiate
3. Minerval
4. Minor Illuminatus
5. Magistratus

II- Symbolic Freemasonry
1. Apprentice
2. Fellow Craft
3. Master
4.(a) Scots Major Illuminatus
..(b) Scots Illuminatus Dirigens (Directory)

III- Mysteries
1. Lesser
(a) Presbyter, Priest, or Epopt
(b) Prince or Regent
2. Greater
(a) Magus
(b) Rex or King (some of these latter degrees were never completed)"

- Henry Wilson Coil, Coil's Masonic Encyclopedia, 1961

"Status as a Mason was not required for initiation into the Order of Illuminati since the fourth, fifth and sixth degrees of Weishaupt and Baron Von Knogge's system practically duplicated the three degrees of symbolic Freemasonry. Although Knigge claimed to have a system of ten degrees, the last two appear never to have been fully worked up."
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"Openly political and antimonarchial, Weishaupt's 'Illuminati' formed another channel of 'higher degrees' for Freemasons to graduate into after completing the Blue Degrees. Weishaupt's 'Illuminati' had its own 'hidden master' known as the 'Ancient Scot Superior'.
- William Bramley, The Gods of Eden

"In the lower ranks - the 'nursery' - the member was very much in the dark as to the way in which the Order was run, and how it should accomplish its design of freeing the world. As he progressed, however, he found that a part of his service to the Society was to gain financial and social power, and to place them at the disposal of the group. He was expected to be a diligent Mason, and to try to gain control over Masonic funds. It was not until the tenth rite of promotion had been completed that the member was given - with the grade of Priest - certain definite knowledge. This included the fact that the Illuminati were proposing to destroy princes and prelates throughout the world, and were to remove forever the feeling of local nationality from the minds of men. The ways in which this was to be done involved infiltrating high positions in education, administration and the Press.

"The very highest degrees showed that the rationalism and materialism of the thinkers who developed it were determined to stamp out belief in religion. God and any faith in a deity, the initiate was told, were human inventions, and had no real meaning. Subsequently this was developed further, and the member who arrived at the highest position (that of Rex, King) learned that he was now equal to a king, and that all men were capable of equal advancement; hence the need for kings over ordinary mortals was an illusion."
- Arkon Daraul, Secret Societies

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Revenge of the Templars?
(1) Threads of Conspiracy

"After their recent exposures in Bavaria, The Illuminati had been driven even further underground, taking on a variety of names, such as The French Revolutionary Club. As radicals flocked into these new varieties of Illuminism, a larger meeting hall was needed. The Hall of the Jacobins Convent was leased, and it was from this hall that they eventually derived their new name, the Jacobin Club.

"The Jacobin Club met in secret and eventually boasted of having some of the best-educated and most influential men in France among its 1,300 members. The Jacobins vowed to destroy the monarchy, as well as other existing institutions, and sought to establish what they called a 'New World Order', or 'Universal Republic'."

"The famous magician and occultist, Cagliostro, was initiated into the Illuminati in 1783. Many years later, he told Catholic priests about his initiation. The initiation took place in an underground room near Frankfort, Germany."
- William T. Still, New World Order



"An iron box filled with papers was opened. The introducers took from it a manuscript book [which] on the first page...read: 'We, Grand Masters of the Templars...'then followed a form of oath, traced in blood. The book stated that Illuminism was a conspiracy directed against thrones and altars, and that the first blows were to attain France, that after the fall of the French Monarchy, Rome must be attacked."

"By March, 1789, the 266 lodges controlled by the [French] Grand Orient were all 'illuminized' without knowing it, for the Freemasons in general, were not told the name of the sect that brought them these mysteries, and only a very small number were really initiated into the secret....In the following month the Revolution broke out."
- Cagliostro (Nesta H. Wesbster, Secret Societies and Subversive Movements]

"Cagliostro was the Agent of the Templars, and therefore wrote to the Freemasons of London that the time had come to begin the work of re-building the Temple of the Eternal. He had introduced into Masonry a new Rite called the Egyptian, and endeavored to resuscitate the mysterious worship of Isis. The three letters 'l. P. D.' on his seal, were the initials of the words 'Lilia pedibus destrue', 'tread under foot the Lilies [of France]', and a Masonic medal of the sixteenth or seventeenth century has upon it a sword cutting off the stalk of a lily, and the words 'talem dabit ultio messem', 'such harvest revenge will give'."
- General Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma

"In his Mémoires pour servir æ l'histoire du Jacobinisme published in three volumes from 1797 to 1798, Barruel [a Jesuit scholar] derived all evils from Mani and the Manicheans and demonstrated the existence of a continuous historical conspiracy."
- Edward Burman, The Assassins - Holy Killers of Islam

"In the minds of Barruel and Cadet de Gassicourt [Le Tombeau de Jacques de Molay] there was in invincible belief in a continuous historical conspiracy, through which anarchist beliefs had passed from the medieval heretics in the west and the Assassins in the east to the Templars and thence through the four Templar lodges which were set up after the death of Jacques de Molay in 1314."
- Peter Partner, The Murdered Magicians - The Templars and their Myth

"All revolutionaries and murderers since then had been part of a single 'Templar' society - including Cromwell, the murderer of Henry IV of France, conspirators in Portugal, Brazil and Sweden, and of course Robespierre and Danton."
- Edward Burman, The Assassins - Holy Killers of Islam

Eliphas Levi claimed that the French Revolution represented the Templars' revenge for the persecution they had suffered in the thirteenth century."
- David Conway, Ritual Magic

"A Lodge inaugurated under the auspices of Rousseau, the fanatic of Geneva became the center of the revolutionary movement in France, and a Prince of the blood-royal went thither to swear the destruction of the successors of Phillipe le Bel on the tomb Jacques de Molai. The registers of the Order of Templars attest that the Regent, the Duc d'Orleans, was Grand Master of that formidable Secret Society, and that his successors were the Duc de Maine, the Prince of Bourbon-Condé and the Duc de Crossé-Brissace."
"It was impossible to unfold to the people the conspiracy of the Templars against the Thrones and the Tiara...[To do so] would have been to initiate the multitude into the secrets of the Masters, and to have uplifted the veil of Isis."

"When Louis XVI was executed, half the work was done; and thenceforth the Army of the Temple was to direct all its efforts against the Pope."
- General Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma

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(2) The Reign of Terror

"In the spring and summer of 1789, an artificial shortage of grain was created by Illuminist manipulations of the grain market. This produced a famine so intense that it brought the nation to the edge of revolt. One of the leading figures in this scheme was the Duc d'Orleans, the grand Master of the grand Orient lodges. The Illuminatists claimed that their revolution would be 'for the benefit of the bourgeoisie with the people as instruments...' but in reality the conspirators held up the food supplies and blocked all reforms in the National Assembly to exacerbate the situation, and the populace starved.

"By July 14, the Bastille was stormed, from which a grand total of only seven prisoners were 'liberated'. Even French historians now acknowledge that the purpose of the revolutionaries was not to destroy the Bastille or liberate the prisoners, but to steal arms and gunpowder. Thus armed, on July 22, 1789, the Jacobins set into motion one of the most elaborately timed revolutionary exercises ever attempted. It would later be known as 'The great Fear'.

"A panic was created simultaneously around the nation. Horsemen rode from town to town telling the citizens that 'brigands' were approaching and that everyone should take up arms. Citizens were instructed that the conspirators were being harbored in the larger estates, the chateaux, and that by edict of the King all should be torched. The people, obedient to their monarch, complied. Soon, the flames of destruction were soon burning out of control. Anarchy continued to grow as citizens began raiding and pillaging - and not only for food."
- William T. Still, New World Order

With the overthrow of the monarchy in 1792, "from the 10th of August onwards, we find the tricolor replaced by the red flag of the social revolution, whilst the cry of 'Vive notre roi d'Orleans!' gives way to the masonic watchword 'Liberty, Equality, Fraternity."
- Nesta H. Wesbster, Secret Societies and Subversive Movements

"Terror was rampant in the streets of Paris....In November 1793 a campaign against religion was inaugurated by a massacre of the priests all over France. In the cemeteries the cherished motto of the Illuminati, 'Death is an eternal sleep', was posted by the order of the Illuminatus 'Anaxagoras' Chaumette. In the churches of Paris, Feasts of Reason were celebrated where women of easy morals were enthroned as goddesses. These were also known as 'Exoterion', and were modeled on Weishaupt's plan to honor the god of Love."

"In 1791, after returning to the United States from a three-year stint as minister to France, he [Thomas Jefferson] described the carnage as 'so beautiful a revolution' and stated that he hoped it would sweep the world. He claimed to believe that 'most Frenchmen were Jacobins. Their excesses, if one called them such, reflected that national will."

"By 1793, much of France lay in ruin. Industries were decimated, libraries burned, the bourgeoisie all but wiped out. Even the great chemist Lavoisier had been guillotined on the excuse that 'the Republic has no need of chemists'."

"Toward the end of 1793, the new revolutionary Republic found itself faced with hundreds of thousands of working men for whom it could not find employment. The revolutionary leaders embarked upon a fearful new project that was to be copied by tyrants ever after, called 'depopulation'.

"The idea was to reduce France's population of twenty-five million down to either eight or sixteen million, depending on which source you believe. Maximilien Robespierre believed depopulation to be 'indispensable'."
- William T. Still, New World Order

"The system of the Terror was thus the answer to the problem of unemployment - unemployment brought about on a vast scale by the destruction of the luxury trades."
- Nesta H. Wesbster, Secret Societies and Subversive Movements

"In France members of the revolutionary committees in charge of the extermination toiled day and night over maps, calculating just how many heads must be sacrificed in each town. Fearful Revolutionary Tribunals tried to determine who would be killed, and a never-ending stream of victims marched to a variety of deaths. In Nantes, 500 children were killed in one butchery, and 144 poor women who sewed shirts for the army were thrown into the river."
"...Estimates of the final death toll at the time ran around 300,000."
- William T. Still, New World Order



"I have seen half the earth desolated. Were there but an Adam & Eve left in every country, & left free, it would be better than it now is...The liberty of the whole earth was depending on the issue of the contest."
- Thomas Jefferson

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The Communist Machines
(1) Precursors in the Carbonari

"It has been said that the European version of the Order of the Illuminati contributed in no small measure to the development of revolutionary doctrines which eventually culminated in the Russian and other Communist Machines."
- Arkon Daraul, Secret Societies

"...As soon as, perhaps sooner than Weishaupt had passed away, the supreme government of all the Secret Societies of the world was exercised by the Alta Vendita or highest lodge of the Italian Carbonari. The Alta Vendita ruled the blackest Freemasonry of France, German, and England; and until Mazzini wrenched the scepter of the dark Empire from that body, it continued with consummate ability to direct the revolutions of Europe."
- Mgr. George E. Dillon, D.D., Grand Orient Freemasonry, Unmasked as the Secret Power Behind Communism

In 1816, Charles Nodier, an alleged Grand Master of the Priory of Sion, "published anonymously one of his most curious and influential works, A History of Secret Societies in the Army under Napoleon...It develops a comprehensive philosophy of secret societies. And it credits such societies with a number of historical accomplishments, including the downfall of Napoleon."
- Baigent, Leigh & Lincoln, The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail

"In the early nineteenth century, certain figures - Charles Nodier, for example...and Filippo Buonarroti, a master conspirator who was much admired by such men as Bakunin - make a point of inventing, and disseminating information about a number of wholly fictitious secret societies. So convincing was this information that perfectly innocent people found themselves being harried and persecuted for alleged membership of clandestine organizations that did not exist. Confronted by such persecution, the victims, as a means of self-defense, began to form themselves into a real secret society which conformed to the blueprint of the fictitious one."
- Baigent, Leigh & Lincoln, The Messianic Legacy

According to the Carbonari, or "charcoal-burners", the history of this organization started in Scotland as happy democratic mystics. "For the purpose of avoiding suspicion of ulterior motives, they took to charcoal-burning, which is described as the industry par excellence of Scotland." Francis I, King of France, was supposedly admitted to the Order. "When he went back to France, he scrupulously fulfilled his undertaking, declaring himself Protector of the Carbonari, and he increased their numbers. The Order now spread through Germany, France and England."

"It has been said by some historians that the inspiration of the Carbonari and similar societies came from pre-Christian times, for there were settled in the Alps communities which seemed to owe allegiance to Gnostic and other ideas which some profess to see reflected in Freemasonry, Templarism and the discipleship of the way of the Sufis."

"The Italian patriots Garibaldi, Mazzini and Cavour revived the secret society after 1830, and its members were again found to be ready for any sacrifice for republicanism and rule by the Carbonari. The effect which they had upon the world was considerable: and it continued to be so. For fifty years they had fought in civil war; they spread to many other lands, including Germany, where they were responsible for the Totenbund (the Death League) which was dedicated to assassinating tyrants.)
- Arkon Daraul, Secret Societies

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(2) The Palladian Rite Hoax

"In 1870, Mazzini and Pike reached an agreement for the creation of the new supreme rite, to be called the New and Reformed Palladian Rite. Pike was to be called the Sovereign Pontiff of Universal Freemasonry, and Mazzini was to be called Sovereign Chief of Political Action. Pike was to draw up the statutes and grades."
- William T. Still, New World Order

"No mention of it would ever be made in the assemblies of the Lodges and Inner Shrines of other rites...for the secret of the new institution was only to be divulged with the greatest caution to a chosen few belonging to the ordinary high grades.
"Palladism is essentially a Luciferian rite. Its religion in Manichean new-gnosticism, teaching that the divinity is dual and that Lucifer is the equal of Adonay. The whole masonic world was set up at Charleston, the sacred city of the Palladium."
- Edith Star Miller, Occult Theocracy

"If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay (The God of the Christians) whose deeds prove his cruelty...and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion for science, would Adonay and his priests calumniate him? Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also God. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black.
"That is why the intelligent disciples of Zoroaster, as well as, after them, the Gnostics, the Manicheans and the Templars have admitted, as the only logical metaphysical conception, the system of the two divine principles fighting eternally, and one cannot believe the one inferior in power to the other. Thus, the doctrine of Satanism is heresy; and the true and pure philosophic religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil."
- Gen. Albert Pike, "Instructions"

"In the 1880s,there was a Parisian publisher named Leo Taxil who was famous for his scurrilous anti- Catholic tracts. Then one morning he proclaimed his conversion to Catholicism. Shortly thereafter, he declared that he had unearthed the doings of the Satanic Masonic sect called the Paladins. He began publishing the memoirs of a woman named Sophia Walden, who claimed to have left the order. For two years this fed into an anti-Masonic hysteria in Europe, and there was even a Papal Benediction given to Sophia Walden, whom no one had even met. After a few years, Taxil broke down and confessed that he'd made it all up. It's interesting that one hundred years ago, you also saw nativist stories in the United States about Masons, Catholics and Mormons who were allegedly kidnapping children and holding them as slaves. And a hundred years later, we seem to be experiencing more of the same."
- Gerry O'Sullivan, Satanism in America

"In many anti-Masonic books you'll see what is supposed to be a quotation from Pike, saying that all Masons of the 'Higher Degrees' are secret worshipers of Lucifer. The historical fact is that those words were written in 1894, three years after Pike's death. They were written by a notorious atheist and pornographer named Gabriel Jogand-Pages who was better known by his pen name, Leo Taxil. Taxil was engaged in an elaborate hoax to discredit the Church of Rome and made up the Pike quotation out of thin air.

"His purpose was to show that the Church had failed to recognize the 'threat' posed by Freemasonry and was, therefore, headed by fools and incompetents. Taxil publicly admitted the hoax in 1897, but it had already been published by a man named Abel Clarin de la Rive, who took Taxil's hoax at face value.

"Rive's book, La Femme et l'Enfant dans la Franc-Maconnerie Universelle (Woman and Child in Universal Freemasonry), was quoted by Edith Starr Miller in 1933 in her book Occult Theocrasy. She translated the 'quotation' into English.

"Since that time, several writers of anti-Masonic books have simply repeated the 'quotation' without checking on its source or authenticity. Taxil's public confession notwithstanding, the lie continues to shadow the name of Pike, who was, to his death, an Episcopalian Christian."
- Jim Tresner, "Conscience and The Craft"

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(3) The Russian Revolution

The February 1917 Revolution was provoked by Freemasons and was operated from the few masonic Lodges left after decades of persecution from Tsarist Secret Police. Alexander Kerensky, Justice Minister in the provisional government of Prince Georgi Yevegenievich Lvov, was a Freemason. After the Petrograd uprising in July 1917 which led to the resignation of Lvov, Kerensky took over as Prime Minister and appointed exclusively Masons to the government."
- Stephen Knight, The Brotherhood

"In its organization, in its techniques for recruitment, in its means of eliciting loyalty from its adherents, in its Messianic urgency, Lenin's revolutionary party structure derives directly from Bakunin, as Lenin himself acknowledges in his notebooks. But for Bakunin, revolution was more than a social and political phenomenon. It was ultimately cosmic, theological, religious in character. Having spent more than twenty years working his way up through the ranks of Freemasonry, Bakunin had acquired a metaphysical philosophical framework for his social and political ideas. Bakunin was a self-proclaimed Satanist. According to one commentator, he saw Satan 'as the spiritual had of revolutionaries, the true author of human liberation'. Satan was not only the supreme rebel, but also the supreme freedom-fighter against the tyrannical God of Judaism and Christianity. The established institutions of church and state were instruments of the oppressive Judaeo-Christian God, and according to Bakunin it was a moral, and theological obligation to oppose them. Although Lenin himself never explicitly indulged in any such cosmological conceptions, there is no question that he recognized their utility."
- Baigent, Leigh & Lincoln, The Messianic Legacy

Bakunin and Lenin "were both apocalyptic zealots, while their Marxist rivals...were - in comparison - Pharisees."
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Nazi Cult Beliefs

(1) The Stein Affair - Fact or Fiction?
"During his young adulthood before rising to power, Hitler lived in Vienna. One of Hitler's friends, during that period was Walter Johannes Stein. During World War II, Dr. Stein became an advisor to England's Prime Minister, Sir Winston Churchill."
- William Bramley, The Gods of Eden

"A number of people who intimately knew Walter Johannes Stein in the last years of his life state that Stein never met Hitler." - Christoph Lindenberg in the German journal Die Drie

"...It was through buying a copy of Eschenbach's Parsival that had once belonged to Hitler that Dr Stein met him. Dr Stein was impressed by the meticulousness of the marginal notes, though simultaneously appalled by the pathological race hatred that they showed.
- Frank Smyth in The Occult Connection

"This was no ordinary commentary but the work of somebody who had achieved more than a working knowledge of the black arts! The unknown commentator had found the key to unveiling many of the deepest secrets of the Grail, yet obviously spurned the Christian ideals of the Knights and delighted in the devious machinations of the Anti-Christ. It suddenly dawned on him that he was reading the footnotes of Satan!"
- Trevor Ravenscroft, The Spear of Destiny

"The fictional nature of the whole episode surrounding the annotated copy of copy of Parzival is suggested by the similarity of Pretzsche's obscure bookshop to the one described by Sir Edward Bulwer-Lytton in Zanoni (1842), which probably served Ravenscroft as a literary model." - Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke, The Modern Mythology of Nazi Occultism

"Among them [the marginal notes] appeared numerous references to the character Klingsor, whom Hitler apparently identified with the notorious ninth-century tyrant Landuph II of Capua.

"Landulph's avaricious grasping for power had led him to study the black arts, and it was for these practices that he was excommunicated in AD 875. But one other fact must have given Hitler a sense of identity with the ninth-century 'Fuhrer'. Landulph seems to have been either partly or totally castrated: Eschenbach described him as 'the man who was smooth between the legs'."
- Frank Smyth in The Occult Connection

According to Ravenscroft, "Hitler took Dr. Stein up the Danube to visit his mystic teacher, a rustic woodcutter and herbalist named Hans Lodz 'who retained in his peasant's blood the last traces of the atavistic clairvoyance of the ancient Germanic tribes' and who 'resembled a
mischievous yet malevolent dwarf from the pages of Grimm's Fairy Tales or an illustration from a book on ancient Germanic folklore'. The men took a swim in the river at which Dr. Stein noticed that Hitler had only one testicle."
- Jeffrey Steinberg, "The Unknown Hitler: Nazi Roots in the Occult"

"We can overlook Ravenscroft's mistake of speaking of 'Wachau' as a place and not of the region which really it is. But the details do not fit: the snow melting in May, the steamer running in spite of the floods, bathing in the river - it makes no sense. Certainly wrong is the
statement that Hitler had only one testicle...all this has been completely refuted by [Werner] Maser." - Christoph Lindenberg in the German journal Die Drie

"...When Russian military surgeons examined Hitler's charred remains in the Berlin bunker in May 1945, they discovered that Hitler was indeed monorchid; he possessed but one testicle." - Frank Smyth in The Occult Connection

"One of his [Hitler's] most influential mentors was a Viennese bookstore owner named Ernst Pretzsche. Pretzsche was described by Dr. Stein as a malevolent-looking man with a somewhat toad-like appearance. Pretzsche was a devotee of the Germanic mysticism that was preaching the coming of an Aryan super race. Hitler frequented Pretzsches store and pawned books there when he needed money. During those visits, Pretzsche indoctrinated
Hitler in Germanic mysticism and successfully encouraged Hitler to use the hallucinogenic drug peyote as a tool for achieving mystical enlightenment.
- William Bramley, The Gods of Eden

"It was Lodz, Dr.Stein learned, who had prepared for Hitler a peyote concoction that afforded him psychedelic insight into his past lives. The peyote itself had come from Pretzche, who had lived for a time in the German colony in Mexico. Hitler had hoped that his former
existences, viewed in his drug trance, would include an early incarnation as a powerful Teutonic ruler, but it was not to be. "Instead his psychedelic perception revealed von Eschenbach's Parzival to have been prophetic of events that would take place a thousand years after it was written, i.e. in the present. And it showed Hitler to have been the historical personage behind the evil sorcerer Klingsor, the very spirit of the anti-Christ and the villain of Parzival."

"Ravenscroft's second mistake was to name the Viennese bookseller who introduced Hitler to drugs. 'No better name occurred to him than Pretsche, popular among English writers of fiction for German malefactors', Lindenberg [in the German journal Die Drie] writes
scornfully before revealing that extensive checks of Vienna city and business directories and police records for the years 1892 through 1920 were negative for the name in question."
- Jeffrey Steinberg, "The Unknown Hitler: Nazi Roots in the Occult"

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(2) Hitler's Pathology


"Their [the Freemasons] hierarchical organization and the initiation through symbolic rites, that is to say without bothering the brains but by working on the imagination through magic and the symbols of a cult - all this is the dangerous element and the element I have taken over.
Don't you see that our party must be of this character?...An Order, that is what it has to be - an Order, the hierarchical Order of a secular priesthood."
- Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf

"According to [August] Kubizek [one of Hitler's few friends from the early years], Hitler spent a great deal of time studying oriental mysticism, astrology, hypnotism, Germanic mythology and other aspects of occultism. By 1909 he had made contact with Dr. Jorg Lanz von Liebenfels, a former Cistercian monk who, two years previously, had opened a temple of the 'Order of the New Templars' at the tumble-down Werfenstein Castle on the banks of the Danube. "Von Leibenfels had assumed his aristocratic sounding name: he was born plain Adolf Lanz and came of solid bourgeois stock. His following was small but wealthy. A disciple of Guido von List [who adopted the swastika as the emblem of the neo-pagan movement in Germany in the late 19th century] he flew a swastika flag from his battlements, performed ritual magic and ran a magazine entitled Ostara, a propaganda journal of occultism and race mysticism, to which the young Hitler became an avid subscriber."
- Frank Smyth in The Occult Connection


"Hitler is one of our pupils...you will one day experience that he, and through him we, will one day be victorious and develop a movement that will make the world tremble."
- Von Liebenfels writing to a colleague (1932)

During World War I "about two months after winning the Iron Cross, Hitler was blinded by mustard gas during a battle. He was taken to the Pasewalk military hospital in northern Germany where he was mistakenly diagnosed as suffering from 'psychopathic hysteria'. (The symptoms were probably caused by the mustard gas.) Hitler was consequently placed
under the care of a psychiatrist, Dr. Edmund Forster. What exactly was done to Hitler while under Dr. Forster's care is uncertain because years later, in 1933...the Gestapo rounded up all psychiatric records related to Hitler's treatment and destroyed them. Dr. Forster 'committed suicide' in that same year.

"The mystery of what was done to Hitler at Pasewalk is deepened by Hitler's own statements. According to Hitler, he had experience a 'vision' from 'another world' while at the hospital. In that vision, Hitler was told that he would need to restore his sight so that he could
lead Germany back to glory. Hitler's latent anti-Semitism, which had already been planted by his mystical readings in Vienna, emerged at Pasewalk."

"In a shrewd piece of detective work published in the journal, History of Childhood Quarterly, psychohistorian Dr. Rudolph Binion suggests that Hitler's visions may have been deliberately induced by the psychiatrist, Edmund Forster, as a means of helping Hitler recover from his blindness....Dr. Binion cites a book completed in 1939 entitled, Der
Augenzeuge ('The Eyewitness'), written by a Jewish doctor named Ernst Weiss who had fled Germany in 1933.

"It is a thinly fictionalized account of Hitler's "miracle cure".
- William Bramley, The Gods of Eden

"Being labeled as such (suffering from 'psychopathic hysteria) would most certainly have resulted in Hitler being subjected to psychiatric treatment for that condition, according to Professor Ernst-Gunter Schenck.

"Other records show that Hitler's personal physician from 1936-1945, Theodore Morell, was prescribing and personally injecting Hitler with psychiatric drugs. The drugs, to which he was addicted, produced a sense of euphoria, for which Hitler expressed his extreme gratitude to Morell.

"Among the drugs he was administered were Eukodal and Pervitin. Eukodal is a narcotic similar to morphine and codeine, with the known adverse effects of euphoria and dysphoria. Pervitin is a methamphetamine, known to cause euphoria, dysphoria, severe social disabilities, personality changes and psychosis. Both are highly addictive.
"There is considerable controversy regarding precisely when Hitler became driven to destroy the Jews and dominate the world. There is strong evidence, however, that the 'hate and pain' which characterized Hitler's speeches in 1919 and afterward, as well as his fanatical
purpose, were not in evidence prior to his psychiatric treatment."
- David Bonnell (dbonnell@be1145)

"Hitler's stellar performance in Munich [identifying pro-Communist soldiers to be shot in 1919] earned him a promotion. He was assigned to the highly secret Political Department of the Army District Command. Hitler's new unit was an intelligence operation that engaged in acts of domestic terrorism. The unit refused to accept Germany's defeat in World
War I and so it assassinated some of the German leaders who had negotiated Germany's surrender.

"A prominent leader of the District Command was captain Ernst Rohm. Rohm was a professional soldier who served as liaison between the District Command and the German industrialists who were directly funding the District Command to help it fight communism. Captain Rohm and many other members of the District Command were members of a mystical organization known as the 'Thule Society' [Thulegesellschaft]. The Thule believed in
the Aryan super race' and it preached the coming of a German 'Messiah' who would lead Germany to glory and a new Aryan civilization. In Spear of Destiny [by Trevor Ravenscroft] we learn from Dr. Stein that the Thule group was financed by some of the very same industrialists who supported the District Command. The Thule was also directly supported by
the German High Command."
- William Bramley, The Gods of Eden

"Briefly, the creed of the Thule society inner circle is as follows: Thule was a legendary island in the far north, similar to Atlantis, supposedly the center of a lost, high-level civilization. But not all secrets of that civilization had been completely wiped out. Those that remained were being guarded by ancient, highly intelligent beings (similar to the 'Masters' of Theosophy or the White Brotherhood). The truly initiated could establish contact with these beings by means of magic-mystical rituals. The 'Masters' or 'Ancients' allegedly would be able to endow the initiated with supernatural strength and energy. With the help of these energies the goal of the initiated was to create a race of Supermen of 'Aryan' stock who would exterminate all 'inferior' races."
- Wulf Schwartzwaller, The Unknown Hitler

"Many assassinations perpetrated by the District Command may have been inspired by the Thule. According to Dr. Stein, the Thule was a 'Society of Assassins'. It held secret courts and condemned people to death. It is likely that many victims murdered by the District Command had been condemned earlier in the secret courts of the Thule. Many prominent
Germans supported this violence and were documented members of the Thule. For example, the Police President of Munich, Franz Gurtner, was a reported member of the innermost circle of the Thule. He later became Minister of Justice of the Third Reich."
- William Bramley, The Gods of Eden

"...At the end of the 1919...Hitler met Dietrich Eckart. Most biographers have underestimated the influence that Eckart exerted on Hitler. He was the wealthy publisher and editor-in-chief of an anti-Semitic journal which he called In Plain German. Eckart was also a
committed occultist and a master of magic. As an initiate, Eckart belonged to the inner circle of the Thule society as well as other esoteric orders."
- Wulf Schwartzwaller, The Unknown Hitler

"According to Ravenscroft [Spear of Destiny], Eckart, like Hitler, first achieved transcendence through psychedelic drugs. Research on peyote by the German pharmacologist Ludwig Lewin had been published in 1886, leading to widespread popular experimentation. Later a heroin addict, in earlier days Eckart used peyote in the practice on neopagan magic in Berlin. He came to believe that he, too was the reincarnation of ninth
century character. In his case it was Bernard of Barcelona, a notorious betrayer of Christianity to the Arabs and a black magician who used thaumaturgy to hold off Carolingian armies in Spain."

"Ravenscroft writes 'there can be little doubt' that both Crowley and Eckart conducted deep studies of the Arabian astrological magic performed by Klingsor's real life counterpart, Landulf II. It was to Sicily-then a Moslem stronghold-that Landulf fled after his traitorous
links to Islam were disclosed. And it was in a dark tower in the mountains of the southwest corner of that island that his evil soul festered with additional bitterness over his castration by the relatives of a noblewoman he had raped. There he practiced sadistic satanism of a
nature that foreshadowed the horrors of Nazi concentration camps." - Jeffrey Steinberg, "Nazi Roots in the Occult"

"There can be no doubt that Eckart - who had been alerted to Hitler by other Thulists - trained Hitler in techniques of self confidence, self projection, persuasive oratory, body language and discursive sophistry. With these tools, in a short period of time he was able to move the obscure workers party from the club and beer hall atmosphere to a mass movement. The emotion charged lay speaker became an expert orator, capable of mesmerizing a vast audience."
- Wulf Schwartzwaller, The Unknown Hitler

Hitler dedicated his book Mein Kampf to his teacher Dietrich Eckart.

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(3) The German Vril

"A frequent visitor to Landsberg prison where Hitler was writing Mein Kampf with the help of Rudolf Hess, was General Karl Haushofer, a university professor and director of the Munich Institute of Geopolitics. Haushofer, Hitler, and Hess had long conversations
together. Hess also kept records of these conversations. Hitler's demands for German 'living space' in the east at the expense of the Slavic nations were based on the geopolitical theories of the learned professor. Haushofer was also inclined toward the esoteric. As military
attache in Japan, he had studied Zen-Buddhism. He had also gone through initiations at the hands of Tibetan lamas. He became Hitler's second 'esoteric mentor', replacing Dietrich Eckart." - Wulf Schwartzwaller, The Unknown Hitler

"Another important mystical organization behind the formation of Nazism "was the 'Vril' Society, which had been named after a book by Lord Bulward Litton - an English Rosicrucian. Litton's book told the story of an Aryan 'super race' coming the Earth."
- William Bramley, The Gods of Eden

"In Berlin, Haushofer had founded the Luminous Lodge or the Vril Society. The Lodge's objective was to explore the origins of the Aryan race and to perform exercises in concentration to awaken the forces of 'Vril'. Haushofer was a student of the Russian magician and metaphysician Gregor Ivanovich Gurdyev (George Gurdjieff). Both Gurdjeiff and Haushofer maintained that they had contacts with secret Tibetan lodges that possessed the secret of the 'Superman'. The Lodge included Hitler, Aalfred Rosenberg, Himmler, Göring, and Hitler's subsequent personal physician Dr. Morell. It is also known that Aleister
Crowley and Gurdjieff sought contact with Hitler. Hitler's unusual powers of suggestion become more understandable if one keeps in mind that he had access to the 'secret' psychological techniques of the esoteric lodges. Haushofer taught him the techniques of Gurdjieff which, in turn, were based on the teachings of the Sufis and the Tibetan lamas-
and familiarized him with the Zen teaching of the Japanese Society of the Green Dragon."
- Wulf Schwartzwaller, The Unknown Hitler

"One member of the German Vril was Professor Karl Haushofer - a former employee of German military intelligence. Haushofer had been a mentor to Hitler as well as to...Rudolph Hess. (Hess had been an assistant to Haushofer at the University of Munich.) Another Vril member was the second most powerful man in Nazi Germany: Heinrich Himmler, who became head of the dreaded SS and Gestapo. Himmler incorporated the Vril Society into the Nazi Occult Bureau. Yet another mystical group was the Edelweiss Society, which preached the coming of a 'Nordic messiah'....Herman Göring had become an active member of the Edelweiss Society in 1921 while living and working in Sweden. Göring believed Hitler to be the Nordic messiah." - William Bramley, The Gods of Eden

"The idea for the use of the swastika by the Nazis came from a dentist named Dr. Friedrich Krohn who was a member of the secret Germanen Order. Krohn produced the design for the actual form in which the Nazis came to use the symbol, that is reversed, spinning in an anti-clockwise direction. as a solar symbol, the swastika is properly thought of as spinning, and the Buddhists have always believed the symbol attracted luck. The Sanskrit word 'svastika' means good fortune and well being. According to Cabbalistic lore and occult theory, chaotic force can be evoked by reversing the symbol. And so the symbol appeared as the flag of Nazi Germany and the insignia of the Nazi party, an indication for those who had eyes to see, as to the occult nature of the Third Reich." - Bernard Schreiber. The Men Behind Hitler

"...Houston Stewart Chamberlain, the mystic who had so influenced the Kaiser, years later declared Hitler to be the prophesied German Messiah. On September 25, 1925, the Nazi newspaper, Volkischer Beobachter, celebrated Chamberlain's seventieth birthday and declared his work, Foundations of the Twentieth Century, to be 'The Gospel of the Nazi
Movement'." - William Bramley, The Gods of Eden

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(4) Himmler and the SS

"The SS had been built up by Himmler on the principles of the Order of the Jesuits...The Reichsfuhrer SS - Himmler's title as supreme head of the SS - was intended to be the counterpart of the Jesuits' General of the Order."
- Schellenber, head of the Intelligence and Security Service (SD)


"What can we do? Just what the Catholic Church did when it forced its beliefs on the heathen: preserve what can be preserved and change its meaning. We shall take the road back: Easter is no longer resurrection but the eternal renewal of our people. Christmas is the birth of our savior...Do you think these liberal priests, who have no longer a belief, only an office, will refuse to preach our God in their churches?"
- Rauschning, H., Hitler Speaks

After a lengthy quasi-mystical novitiate, SS recruits were obliged to attend "neo-pagan ceremonies of a specifically SS religion devised by Himmler himself and clearly derived from his interests in occultism and the worship of Woden."
- Francis King, Satan and the Swastika

"Himmler had abandoned his Catholic faith for spiritualism, astrology and mesmerism in his late teens. He was convinced that he was the reincarnation of Heinrich the Fowler, founder of the Saxon royal house, who died in 936. All these elements were incorporated into his SS
'religion'.

"Himmler devised new festivals to take the place of such Christian events as Christmas and Easter, he wrote out baptism and marriage ceremonies - though he believed polygamy would best serve the interests of the SS elite - and he even issued instructions on the correct manner
of committing suicide.

"The center of the SS 'cult' became the castle of Wewelsburg in Westphalia, which Himmler bought as a ruin in 1934 and rebuilt over the next 11 years at a cost of 13 million marks. The central banqueting hall contained a vast round table with 13 throne-like seats to accommodate Himmler and 12 of his closest 'apostles' - making, as some occult writers have pointed out, a coven of 13. Beneath this hall was a 'Hall of the Dead', where plinths stood around a stone table. As each member of the inner circle of the SS died, his coat of arms would be burned and, together with his ashes, placed in an urn on one of these plinths
for veneration." - Richard Deacon, Spyclopaedia

"At special SS-run boys' training academies, the Yule festival was celebrated, not as the birth of Christ, but as the rising from his ashes of the 'Sun Child' at the winter solstice....What they [the rituals] involve is essentially a twentieth-century variant of the old Sol Invictus cult, to which Constantine had subscribed 1,600 years before."

"Hitler spoke of Heinrich Himmler, commander-in-chief of the SS, as 'my Ignatius Loyola'....In many respects, the SS was indeed modeled on the Jesuits, and made deliberate use of Jesuit techniques in such spheres as psychological conditioning and education. But the Jesuits themselves had derived much of their structure and organization from the still older
military-religious-chivalric orders like the Knights Templar and the Teutonic Knights (Deutschritter)." - Baigent, Leigh & Lincoln, The Messianic Legacy

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A New World Order?
(1) The Round Table and Council on Foreign Relations

"The Round Table organization in England grew out of the life-long dream of gold and diamond magnate Cecil Rhodes for a 'new world order'."
- Gary Allen, None Dare Call It Conspiracy

"The seven wills which Cecil Rhodes made between the ages of 24 and 46 [Rhodes died at age forty-eight] constitute a kind of spiritual autobiography...Best know are the first (the Secret Society Will...), and the last, which established the Rhodes Scholarships...
"In his first will Rhodes states his aim still more specifically: 'The extension of British rule throughout the world....the foundation of so great a power as to hereafter render wars impossible and promote the interests of humanity'.

"The 'Confession of Faith' enlarges upon these ideas. The model for this proposed secret society was the Society of Jesus, though he mentions also the Masons."
- Frank Aydelotte, American Rhodes Scholarships

"The 'secret society' was organized on the conspiratorial pattern of circles within circles...The central part of the 'secret society' was established by March, 1891, using Rhodes' money. the organization was run for Rothschild [Rhodes' financier in mining enterprises] by Lord Alfred Milner...a key financier of the Bolshevik revolution. The Round Table worked behind the scenes at the highest levels of British government, influencing foreign policy and England's involvement and conduct of WWI."
- Gary Allen, None Dare Call It Conspiracy

"At the end of the war of 1914, it became clear that the organization of this system [the Round Table Group] had to be extended. Once again the task was entrusted to Lionel Curtis who established, in England and each dominion, a front organization to the existing Round Table Group. This front organization, called the Royal Institute of International Affairs, had as it nucleus in each area the existing submerged Round Table Group. In New York it was known as the Council on Foreign Relations, and was a front for J. P. Morgan and Company in association with the very small American Round Table Group. The American organizers were dominated by the large number of Morgan 'experts'...who had gone to the Paris Peace Conference and there became close friends with the similar group of English 'experts' which had been recruited by the Milner group. In fact, the original plans for the Royal Institute of International Affairs and the Council on Foreign Relations [C.F.R.] were drawn up in Paris..."
- Carroll Quigley, Tragedy and Hope

"Colonel' Edward Mandel House was 'the British-educated son of a representative of England's financial interests in the American South. The title was honorary; House never served in the military. He was strictly a behind-the-scenes wire-puller and is regarded by many historians as the real President of the United States during the Wilson years."
"House had set down his political ideas in his book called Philip Dru: Administrator in 1912. In this book House laid out a thinly fictionalized plan for conquest of America by establishing 'Socialism as dreamed by Karl Marx'. He described a 'conspiracy' - the word is his - which succeeds in electing a U.S. President by means of 'deception regarding his real opinions and intentions'. Among other things, House wrote that the conspiracy was to insinuate 'itself into the primaries, in order that no candidate might be nominated whose views were not in accord with theirs'. Elections were to become mere charades conducted for the bedazzlement of the booboisie. The idea was to use both the Democrat and Republican parties as instruments to promote World government."
- Gary Allen, None Dare Call It Conspiracy

"Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."
- Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom

"In 1919 House met in Paris with members of...The Round Table in order to form an organization whose job it would be to propagandize the citizens of America, England and western Europe on the glories of World Government. The big selling point, of course, was 'peace'."

"...The most important financial dynasties in America following WWI were (in addition to Morgan) the Rockefeller family; Kuhn, Loeb & Company; Dillon Read and Company and Brown Bros Harriman. All were represented in the C.F.R. and Paul Warburg [who was the key figure in implementing the Federal Reserve System] was one of the incorporators."
"The C.F.R. has come to be know as 'The Establishment', 'the invisible government' and 'the Rockefeller foreign office'. This semi-secret organization unquestionably has become the most influential group in America."
- Gary Allen, None Dare Call It Conspiracy

C.F.R. openly advocates 'building a new international order [which] must be responsive to world aspirations for peace, [and] for social and economic change...an international order [code word for world government]...including states labeling themselves as 'Socialist' [Communist]."
- Study No. 7, published by the C.F.R. on November 25, 1959

As of 1971 "the formal membership in the C.F.R. is composes of close to 1500 of the most elite names in the worlds of government, labor, business, finance, communications, the foundations, and the academy - and...it has staffed almost every key position of every administration since those of FDR..."

"At least forty-seven C.F.R. members were among the American delegates to the founding of the United Nations in San Francisco in 1945. Members of the C.F.R. group included Harold Stassen, John J. McCloy, Owen Lattimore (called by the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee a 'conscious articulate instrument of the Soviet conspiracy'), Alger Hiss (Communist spy), Nelson Rockefeller, John Foster Dulles, John Carter Vincent (security risk), and Dean Acheson."

"So completely has the C.F.R. dominated the State Department over the past thirty-eight years that every Secretary of State except Cordell Hull, James Byrnes, and William Rogers has been a member of the C.F.R."
- Gary Allen, None Dare Call It Conspiracy

"Almost half of the Council members have been invited to assume official government positions or to act as consultants at one time or another."
- The Christian Science Monitor

"International banking organizations that currently [1971] have men in the C.F.R. include Kuhn, Loeb & Company; Lazard Freres (directly affiliated with Rothschild);

Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
The Free Masons are definetly an underground society that has plotted in the past and is still plotting to infiltrate our government with their own
intertwined ( Cultic and Occultic Beliefs ) that stem back to the 1400's. And yes most of their symbolism had come from the Occult and even guess what ? Islam ! Is this really a master plan of the East to destroy the West ?

How do you know this? Are or were you a Freemason? If not, how can you claim to know what goes on in a supposedly secret society??? Can you tell us where you saw evidence that allows you to state what you claimed above as being FACT???

Well if they base their secret society on the Occult and is so secret that they won't come out and talk about their REAL UNDERLINING AGENDA whos knows ? Just some things to make us think ! Enjoy a history lesson.

Actually, the members of that society know what the real uynderlining agenda is. I am a mason, and I can tell you that nothing you have claimed about masonry is true. Masons are nothing more than a fraternity with the purpose of helping its member become better men. If you can prove otherwise, please do.

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now thats waht i call killing the opposition.

[edit on 2-4-2005 by nukunuku]

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Great post! Really Full of Information!

Now prepare for all the Baby Masons to attack what you have written!

Peace.

Originally posted by sebatwerk

Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
The Free Masons are definetly an underground society that has plotted in the past and is still plotting to infiltrate our government with their own
intertwined ( Cultic and Occultic Beliefs ) that stem back to the 1400's. And yes most of their symbolism had come from the Occult and even guess what ? Islam ! Is this really a master plan of the East to destroy the West ?

How do you know this?

As a matter of fact I do know some secret things about your society. If in fact you say you are a mason you would NEVER admit it. You Cannot according to the "RULES" that you follow.

Are or were you a Freemason?

I Won't admit either way.

Your so called NON secret society as you quoted has levels and rings. What level are you ? Descibe your ring and I can tell you what level you are. I can also tell you what knowledge base you are at. Another words what info are you able to hear. How many years have your been a mason ?
What is your particular secret handshake ? What is your mason name ?

And if you are a mason you will know the answer to these questions but you will not admit to me. But since you have admitted this already you are not a mason because a true mason cannot reveal his involvment. This is the First so called commandment. But you would use another name besides commandment.

Can you tell us where you saw evidence that allows you to state what you claimed above as being FACT???

I will provide you with the "FACTS" but you need to provide me with some facts disputing my comments. Can you ?

There is no need to throw mud so to speak but lets be real and provide facts to eachother.

Well if they base their secret society on the Occult and is so secret that they won't come out and talk about their REAL UNDERLINING AGENDA whos knows ? Just some things to make us think ! Enjoy a history lesson.

Actually, the members of that society know what the real uynderlining agenda is.

Then you admit it ? Of course they know it ! Will FEMA talk about there agenda. NO !


I am a mason, and I can tell you that nothing you have claimed about masonry is true. Masons are nothing more than a fraternity with the purpose of helping its member become better men. If you can prove
otherwise, please do

That's pretty funny ! Did they teach you to say this at the first or second meeting ?

Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
That's pretty funny ! Did they teach you to say this at the first or second meeting ?

Why don't you answer the questions?

Originally posted by Truthisoutthere
The Free Masons are definetly an underground society that has plotted in the past and is still plotting to infiltrate our government with their own
intertwined ( Cultic and Occultic Beliefs ) that stem back to the 1400's. And yes most of their symbolism had come from the Occult and even guess what ? Islam ! Is this really a master plan of the East to destroy the West ?

Quite a lengthy post, I must say. Is it all your research, because I don't see a link anywhere?
Forgive me, I didn't read the story. I couldn't get past the first sentence about Masons plotting to rule the world.

There's still time to read, DtoM.

Its mostly quotes, so that basically reference and links itself.

Please don't pay lip service to being open-minded.

Originally posted by akilles
Please don't pay lip service to being open-minded.

Why do you think that believing in theories that go against conventional knowledge equates to being open-minded? Most of you conspiracy theorists are further away from being open-minded than what I thought was possible.

Its OK Dtom, Fairies of the Eastern Star aren't expecteded to read anything more complicated than "Hello" or "Cosmo."
Lip-service is fine, just make sure dinner is on the table when hubby gets back from the lodge.

(Do YOU believe in fairies too?)

Gee, NECROS. Such an open-minded misogynist! 'Cosmo' indeed! Dinner on the table, what century do you come from?
And what is 'Hello'

FWIW, my husband is no Mason; I am not Eastern Star. In fact, he belongs to KofC. And, he washes dishes, too.
I see the folly in anti-Masonic remarks, yours included.

Faeries? That's all in good fun.
I do know there is occult knowledge available to those who seek.

Originally posted by akilles
*snip*
Please don't pay lip service to being open-minded.

I believe sebatwerk said it for me.

And, how is there a conncetion between Masons and CFR?
I do see a conspiracy about making Masons responsible for a lot of evil in the world. Why the dislike? How many Masons do you really know?


[edit on 3-4-2005 by DontTreadOnMe]

I know a couple of hundred of them at least, personally.
2 of them are members of my family but they won't 'fess up to it to the other members.
And I have the pleasure of meeting a dozen or so new ones every month on my visa runs to Myanmar whether I like it or not.
Their dedication to me is...well... determined.

Unfortunately I have little say in their antics but then again they are not particularly prevalent over here unless you have to walk through the red-light district (which I don't.)

Umm I think I've told you this before...several times actually.

By the way why did you start a thread called "Masons & Conspircay Theories" if you don't want to discuss it?

(If you believe in fairies, clap your hands...)

Originally posted by MrNECROS

Umm I think I've told you this before...several times actually.

Ah yes, I remember, I stand corrected.

By the way why did you start a thread called "Masons & Conspircay Theories" if you don't want to discuss it?

I have no problem discussing conspiracy theories and Masonry.
The author of that post seems to think Masonry is out to rule the world. I disagree with him. He has yet to respond to my dissent.

And, for the record, my views have changed somewhat since I authored that thread a year ago. Although I thought Masonry may have an agenda, I never embraced the vehement opposition of Masonry that some such as you exhibit. I do not believe there is some insidious design in Masonry.
I decided to deny ignorance and not buy the propaganda of freemasonrywatch 'hook, line and sinker'

Originally posted by MrNECROS
I know a couple of hundred of them at least, personally.
2 of them are members of my family but they won't 'fess up to it to the other members.
And I have the pleasure of meeting a dozen or so new ones every month on my visa runs to Myanmar whether I like it or not.
Their dedication to me is...well... determined.

Yeah, 2 masons in your family but they wont tell anyone!?!? Just so you know, they wouldn't be masons if they weren't proud of it. Why would anyone? COULD IT JUST BE YOUR IMAGINATION, MrNECROS!?!? Could it be your paranoia and delirium!?!? Think about it.

Yeah, I'm sure masons keep trying to harrass you and make your life miserable. But you never answered my question, WHY YOU??? Why are hundreds of masons wasting their time on making YOUR life miserable?? What makes YOU so special? Or is it only in your head?


[edit on 3-4-2005 by sebatwerk]

This forum section is a joke. I have little respect for most of the masons I have read posting here. Guys, quit. Go invest your time in your own life and make some money. Politics is corrupt and Bush is a liar. One person or a handful can't always speak for an entire organization. Secrecy is base and should be erradicated.

As for the shooting, I am not convinced either way: it looks like the Masons tried to cover up Mayo's comments. It also looks like an accident, too. Nobody has pursuaded to accept one side or the other. Jury is out.

Originally posted by Guy Kawasaki
This forum section is a joke. *SNIP*
Secrecy is base and should be erradicated.

Sorry you feel that way. If it is a joke, why do you post here. Many others are interested in this subject.

What secrecy? Anyone who joins can have the knowledge! This goes for any group, be it the Masons, B.O.T.A., computer geeks, master gardeners, math whizzes, musicians.
All have knowledge others don't...it's no secret...just stuff you know if you belong to this group and apply yourself.
Folks should stop seeing conspiracies where none exist.

As for the shooting one wrote:

"To begin with, it wasn't a "murder", it was a stupid, imbecile, childish prank that went way wrong."

I think that when you are 76. years old you are just to old for childish pranks. If someone try would put a gun to my head, i'd shove it where the sun doesn't shine. I also wonder how can a man who hanle weapons for 30 years make such a mistake. If I'd put a gun to my friends or bro's head (and I wouldn't) i'd surelly check and tripple check if it's loaded. It's using common sence. On the other hand it cold have been an accident. It's possible but hardli probable

And now for something completely different.
On previous post somebody asked about 2 headed eagle.

Twoheaded eagle (second explanation)

The 2 headed eagle is first seen in Mezopotamia about 1500 B.C. ad a dipole simbol in old religions. This kind ob belifes kulminated in Zaratustra's teaching that in the universe the good God of light Ahura Mazda wages a war with a God of darkness Ahriman. In Christian teology the oneheaded eagle represents the sign of St. Jovan Bogoslov (Jean of Godword or Godletter I don't know translate this name from serbian language into English) and it (the eagle) represent spiritual hights that this writer of Evangeli and Apokallipse wanted to grasp. And so in around 1000 A.D. in Byzantyan empire we can again see this anchient simbol as a simbol of obtaining balance betwen spiritual and material needs of a man according to the words of Jesus Christ "Give what is king's to the King and what's is God's to God" This type of Bizantyan twoheaded eagle is defined as a twoheaded eagle in flight.