Karl Marx and todays conspiracies

In an attempt to take a stroll down memory lane and see if the past can teach us something.
OR will history repeat it self. IMO just these words from one man say a lot.
It would seem to me that the more we know about how we got to this point in our destiny the better.

This is an attempt to plug history into events leading to today's conspiracies.

Karl Marx
Full name Karl Heinrich Marx
Born May 5, 1818
Trier, Prussia
Died March 14, 1883 (aged 64)
London, United Kingdom

School/tradition Hegelianism, Marxism, socialism
Main interests Politics, Economics, Philosophy, Sociology, class struggle
Notable ideas Co-founder of Marxism (with Engels), alienation and exploitation of the worker, The Communist Manifesto, Das Kapital, Materialist conception of history
Influenced by[show]
Spinoza, Kant, Hegel, Feuerbach, Stirner, Smith, Ricardo, Vico, Rousseau, Goethe, Shakespeare, Dante, Fourier
Influenced[show]


Karl Heinrich Marx (May 5, 1818 – March 14, 1883) was a German[1] philosopher, political economist, historian, political theorist, sociologist, communist and revolutionary, whose ideas are credited as the foundation of modern communism. Marx summarized his approach in the first line of the first chapter of The Communist Manifesto, published in 1848: “The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.”

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[edit on 25/10/2009 by Mirthful Me]

One of my hopes here, is to talk ideas and possibilities in connection with relevant history. That the techy GL disinfo crowd will be unwilling to attend.

Originally posted by Donny 4 million
In an attempt to take a stroll down memory lane and see if the past can teach us something.
OR will history repeat it self. IMO just these words from one man say a lot.
It would seem to me that the more we know about how we got to this point in our destiny the better.

This is an attempt to plug history into events leading to today's conspiracies.

Karl Marx
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Karl Marx
Full name Karl Heinrich Marx
Born May 5, 1818
Trier, Prussia
Died March 14, 1883 (aged 64)
London, United Kingdom

School/tradition Hegelianism, Marxism, socialism
Main interests Politics, Economics, Philosophy, Sociology, class struggle
Notable ideas Co-founder of Marxism (with Engels), alienation and exploitation of the worker, The Communist Manifesto, Das Kapital, Materialist conception of history
Influenced by[show]
Spinoza, Kant, Hegel, Feuerbach, Stirner, Smith, Ricardo, Vico, Rousseau, Goethe, Shakespeare, Dante, Fourier
Influenced[show]


Karl Heinrich Marx (May 5, 1818 – March 14, 1883) was a German[1] philosopher, political economist, historian, political theorist, sociologist, communist and revolutionary, whose ideas are credited as the foundation of modern communism. Marx summarized his approach in the first line of the first chapter of The Communist Manifesto, published in 1848: “The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.”

Marx argued that capitalism, like previous socioeconomic systems, will inevitably produce internal tensions which will lead to its destruction.[2] Just as capitalism replaced feudalism, he believed socialism will, in its turn, replace capitalism, and lead to a stateless, classless society called pure communism. This would emerge after a transitional period called the "dictatorship of the proletariat": a period sometimes referred to as the "workers state" or "workers' democracy" .[3][4]

"4", I don't get it. I even tried to get it but couldn't. First we are walking down memory lane then a bunch of copy and paste of Karl Marx's life from a dictionary or ??? I cannot make the connection. I am confused, so tell me “4” are you "4" or against old Karl Marx?


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I am interested in discussing him in connection with world events.

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I think perhaps breaking it down to more specific questions - and maybe (just an idea, not necessarily a good one) juxtaposing other tangibly influential thinkers or even ideology dictators of modern history - would help.

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If you're talking about the economy... I think that one could say that his idea about the masses becoming more aware of the corruption of the economic systems that we have are somewhat accurate. People are tired of the economy being the way it is. So people are becoming upset at the banks and the federal reserve... so they are gaining awareness- where Marx is wrong is where people will gain utter awareness and revolt against their tyrannical masters... Marx had too much faith in the worker to see what is happening around him/her without help.

I'm against his solutions and more in favor ideologically wise. I just don't see his solution as practical. I don't like these things- like you know when people promise us solutions to world problems then they say to get rid of our property... and I'm wondering what the heck is wrong with them when they claim to be freeing us from a tyrannical system and then they proceed to proclaim something as statist as getting rid of the property we own.

I think it would be a good idea to contribute a link (to further links) to his work, rather than his person, without which there can be no informed discussion.


Das Kapital

(Or here.)

There is no need to read all of it (and you - meaning anyone reading this, obviously - definitely may skip at least four or five of the prefaces)... but some first-hand knowledge of his doctrines always come handy. ;-)






[edit on 25-10-2009 by Vanitas]

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
Marx had too much faith in the worker to see what is happening around him/her without help.

That's one way of putting it - possibly a correct one.
(Certainly a nice one. )

Personally, I think he did not have the foggiest idea about the realities of human nature - and possibly did not care about getting to know it, either.

And THAT, I believe, was the basic - very mundane - flaw that inevitably brought down most of the regimes based on his or similar concepts..

(I could elaborate, of course - but I'd rather wait until some discussion has developed, preferably on the basis of his actual doctrines. ;-)




[edit on 25-10-2009 by Vanitas]

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Hey Vanitas
I think your Ideas are good.
There is a mountain of Marx to discuss.
I am remiss that it has taken me so long to reply.
For some reason I never get alerted to responses on my dormant threads.
I have been distracted posting on a lot of different threads.
It may be a premature assumption but it seems as if we all are in agreement
that his writtings are playing a role in the current international power struggles.
I do think a Mao/Marx discussion would make my head spin.
I'd give it a try though.

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Frankidealist35
Thanks for the input.
I am in agreement that starting with his take on the ( inevitability of social and economic change is scientific fact).
Like Vanitas I apologize about not getting back here sooner.
Marx is extensive in his writing and influence. I think it interesting to explore any connection to the present first.
And then work backwards to address his influences. Maybe Darwin??