USA could soon be at war with Russia over upcoming Russian invasion of Georgia !!!

Russia isn't as powerful as the former soviet union and would not be able to sustain major military operations outside its area of influence such as an invasion of western Europe. Nato has lost a lot military capabilities since the end of the cold war and without the backing of the US is in the same boat. Russia has around 6000 main battle tanks still in active service and around 10000 in storage. The bulk being T-72, T-80 and a few T-90, very capable tanks. The Russian air force/ air defence forces have the capability to defend Russia from any threat poised by NATO. Lets not forget about the 5000 nuclear weapons still aimed at the west, it would be a very foolish nation to pick a fight with Russia.

Originally posted by aussiedigger
Russia isn't as powerful as the former soviet union and would not be able to sustain major military operations outside its area of influence such as an invasion of western Europe. Nato has lost a lot military capabilities since the end of the cold war and without the backing of the US is in the same boat. Russia has around 6000 main battle tanks still in active service and around 10000 in storage. The bulk being T-72, T-80 and a few T-90, very capable tanks. The Russian air force/ air defence forces have the capability to defend Russia from any threat poised by NATO. Lets not forget about the 5000 nuclear weapons still aimed at the west, it would be a very foolish nation to pick a fight with Russia.

Woe thats alot of tanks... how does China stack up in comparison?

Originally posted by chiron613
I don't see any sort of conspiracy to depopulate the earth. Whatever elite there may be needs bodies to do the grunt work. The more people, the easier to replace them, the less they have to pay them or give them rights. In history, the notion of human rights and trade guilds and such began only after the Plague had reduced the population by about two thirds. Suddenly workers had choices they never had before. They were in demand. That gave them unprecedented power.

Same now. Many people = human life is worthless, human rights can be violated freely. Few people = can't get enough people to do the slave work, you have to pay them more, they get rights, all kinds of horrors (if you're the elite).

I do see a "sort of conspiracy to depopulate the [E]arth."
To wit...

Originally posted by chiron613
I'm wondering how we know the Russians subs are near our coast. I can't imagine this would be something that either government would admit to.

I don't see us having a war with Russia. There simply is too much to lose, and not enough to gain. What I *could* see happening is that we'll sit back over Georgia, and Russia will sit back over Iran. I'm pretty sure we'll wind up going after Iran, because the idea of them having nukes is very unsettling.

I don't see any sort of conspiracy to depopulate the earth. Whatever elite there may be needs bodies to do the grunt work. The more people, the easier to replace them, the less they have to pay them or give them rights. In history, the notion of human rights and trade guilds and such began only after the Plague had reduced the population by about two thirds. Suddenly workers had choices they never had before. They were in demand. That gave them unprecedented power.

Same now. Many people = human life is worthless, human rights can be violated freely. Few people = can't get enough people to do the slave work, you have to pay them more, they get rights, all kinds of horrors (if you're the elite).

with ll the pissing around I think if they were to make a land grab, it maybe via "CANADA" since they are poking a stick at us ... so maybe its a multi prong thing to get the US stretched thinner than it already is.

Originally posted by john124
Anyway who would risk MAD? The elites have to live on the same planet as us.

Naww...they can live underneath.

Originally posted by ItsTheQuestion

Originally posted by john124
Anyway who would risk MAD? The elites have to live on the same planet as us.

Naww...they can live underneath.

Very good point.. have you heard of the city located underground at Denver International Airport... I heard thats going to be the new HQ for the New World Order.

Several problems with this youtube video that demonstrate the people speaking know very little about what they are talking about:

1. S.Ossetia is not Texas to you Yanky's who think it is. S.Ossetia has been part of Georgia for over 1000 years. Regardless of the fact that they were all part of the Soviet Union until the 90's, Georgia proper and S.Ossetia were part of the same country. So it's Georgia who has separist problems, not Russia.

2. Soviet Subs patrolled during the cold war, and life went on.

3. Where's the evidence that tanks and other military hardware are headed towards Georgia??!

4. I don't think China/Russia are resigned to the fact that they will one day have to fight the west, but are preparing much in the same way that we are just in case.

Oh and the propaganda video of the military power can be made for any country that has tanks and planes etc. It ignores the failures, the shooting down of their own planes over Georgia and the tanks breaking down etc. I'm sure an even more outstanding demonstration of US military hardware can be done. But I'm sure we could make videos showing how crap both military's can be at times as well.

Every military has strengths and weaknesses, and Russia is nothing compared to NATO, except for its nukes. China/Russia alliance would be a threat though conventionally!

But nobody wants MAD. It seems that these folks speaking on the video have the impression that people are suicidal nowadays. Would Russia risk nuclear war to invade Georgia?? Would the west do the same to defend Georgia?? Same with Ukraine..... It just doesn't seem plausible courses of action! But then again humans are rarely predictable!!

Originally posted by savetimerushonline

Originally posted by ItsTheQuestion

Originally posted by john124
Anyway who would risk MAD? The elites have to live on the same planet as us.

Naww...they can live underneath.

Very good point.. have you heard of the city located underground at Denver International Airport... I heard thats going to be the new HQ for the New World Order.

OK, but surely they will want to come out for air eventually!! Who wants to live underground for the rest of their life?

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So bottomline is S. Ossetia wants to be part of Russia and not Georgia? Georgia wasn't even a country until the 90's? LMAO! Doesn't seem to hard to see who is in the wrong. The scary thing is 100 years from now I see the same thing happening in America, or sooner.

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Majority of S.Ossetians distinguish themselves as Russian though and have russian passports.Georgia should let them be or they will have to kill every single one of them and then take the land.As for this scenario of nukes flying everywhere,i doubt it very much.The big players in the world would never go to war with each other except economically.The military industrial complex can still make a pretty penny by invading countries that can hardly defend themselves.Start a war with China or Russia and everything in America,Europe,China and Russia will be one giant glass crater by the morning.

Originally posted by Maddogkull
Either way I still dont think a world war will happen for atleast another 5-10 years at the least. America is struggling right now since of the economic collapse. But who knows mabey Russia will surprise us

The problem is, the definition of a World War....

World War Definition: What constitutes a 'world war'? How many countries need to be involved? And who decides at which point a number of regional skirmishes can be grouped together and called a World War? At the time, who called the official start of World War 1 and World War 2? And have you noticed that although the term 'World War Three' is freely used in the alternative press and on the Internet, all the major news networks have stoically avoided using any phrase reminiscent of World War. Since it's difficult to find a definition for an event which has only happened twice in modern history, here's my attempt at an answer to the question 'what constitutes a world war'?

A World War is a military conflict spanning more than 2 continents, in which at least 20 major countries participate in an attack against a common enemy, and which has the attention of the man-in-the-street due to the significant loss of life. With that definition, we can agree that WW1 and WW2 were in fact World Wars (both wars involved some degree of participation from most of the world's then existing countries: Britain, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United States and the Soviet Union). We can also agree that we are very close to achieving World War 3. The only requirement left to fulfill the start of WW3 is that of a military conflict spanning more than 2 continents.

Based on above assumption we were "Technically" in a World War when Russia and Georgia Kicked of, but it was never seen as that.

Ok, i think the real threat here is in the Middle East, if Israel and Iran attack each other that will have huge effect's on the rest of the world. Now its obvious that the rest of the Arab Nations will back Iran and if a Jihad is called we are all going be in the S**t, especially us in the UK seeing as there's 1.5 million that we know of residing in major city's so you can triple that figure for a start!

Do any of you really think Iran will be bothered by sanctions when China just gave them 3-4 Billion to start building there own refinery's? On the flip side do you think US, UK Israel ect will accept a nuclear Iran? Either way, this one's jumping out the pan and into the fire, when is the question, not if.

Lets not forget NK here either, they wait for there debut on stage also. Im sure Mr Clinton went through the script one more time with Kimy when he visited

If Russia were to go to war Nuke's would be the last straw, trust me.

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Russia could have CRUSHED them and didn't.

There were even US "advisors" helping the Georgians...

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Originally posted by breakingdradles


There were even US "advisors" helping the Georgians...

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Yes and now there arming them to the teeth, and they wonder why Russia is getting it's knickers in a twist.

Originally posted by wraith001

Originally posted by breakingdradles


There were even US "advisors" helping the Georgians...

[edit on 18-8-2009 by breakingdradles]

Yes and now there arming them to the teeth, and they wonder why Russia is getting it's knickers in a twist.

And if i'm not mistaken, isn't Israel also involved in assisting the Georgian army? You have to ask your self why are the US and Israel so determined to defend Georgia against Russia. I think it's because Israel knows that a Russian invasion of Georgia will be the first stepping stone in the march down to invade Israel.

The CIA originally planned to start a third world war in Georgia and the Russians stopped them. The Russians are the good guys. They've totally removed the Illuminati from their country, which is why our media dislikes them so much these days. Don't give in to this fear pornography. The Russians aren't the bad guys and we've already seen the worst of it. The drama is almost over. Keep it together, everybody. Remember, this is a frequency war. The real conflict is about whether the planet will be in fear or in love. Choose wisely.

Originally posted by Syrus Magistus
The CIA originally planned to start a third world war in Georgia and the Russians stopped them. The Russians are the good guys. They've totally removed the Illuminati from their country, which is why our media dislikes them so much these days. Don't give in to this fear pornography. The Russians aren't the bad guys and we've already seen the worst of it. The drama is almost over. Keep it together, everybody. Remember, this is a frequency war. The real conflict is about whether the planet will be in fear or in love. Choose wisely.

Hmm this is interesting.. 2 questions come to mind.. what makes you think the Russians have removed the illuminati, and what makes you believe the drama is already over?

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I believe I already answered your first question to a degree, and as for what makes me think the worst is over, when's the last time something bad happened to the US since 9/11? It was an economic collapse. What do all of these have in common? All part of the Bush years. Times are improving. Before, even anti-Bush T-shirts got protesters arrested. Now, protesters wielding firearms are tolerated at these town hall meetings, and Fox jumps and yips in delight at this. And according to insiders, the cabals are really short of cash after their controlled economic demolition recoiled on them. The drama isn't over, but the bad stuff, the scary dangerous stuff, is almost over. The 1884 aspect of our lives is about to end. If you don't see that, you haven't been listening to the right alternative media visionaries.

Something that many people do not realize, is that Russians aren't like Westerners. They literally march to a different drummer, and have a completely different set of standards and values than we have.

Russians will always do what they think is best for Russians and Mother Russia first. They could care less what the West thinks of them.

The second thing is, we under value and underestimate the will of the Russian people. Russians are not stupid, nor are they technologically ineffective.

Granted, politically they shifted gears and put up a front that they have abandoned Red Communism...however that is only partly the case.

What they have right now is Communism Light! ( which is where we are headed )

While they have allowed some good old fashioned western style Capitalism to flourish in Russia...there still are constraints.

Make no mistake; Vladimir Putin is still running the show. He is staunchly pro Russia, and is a war hawk. Russia will never see eye to eye with the West.
They will also ally themselves with China every time. They share cultural influences, dialects and people.

I have a healthy respect for the Russian citizen. I also wouldn't turn my back on them. If you know what is good for, don't screw with a Russian. You just may end up with radioactive elements in your latte!

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Russia are a global player...they play by global rules.The cold war was an excuse for the MIC to rake in some pennies.Russia still has a privately owned central bank and their currency is a fiat one.Good cop bad cop routine,works a treat every time.If you want to be a global player in the world you have to be in bed with the movers and shakers of it.That includes Russia and China(even though China doesn't have a fiat currency).As for the *illuminati*,unless you are using it as an umbrella term for powerful people.The illuminati conspiracy is nonsense,the bavarian illuminati died out long long ago.And even then it was no doubt just a bunch of rich,old bored men getting together and discussing philosophy etc