Missing ship may have secret cargo

Originally posted by northwoods

Originally posted by cazzy2211
I've been following this thread with interest, I love a good mystery. I'm a bit confused as to why Russian warships were scrambled when the ship is owned by a Finnish company.

Was the initial hijack in Russian waters?

Initial hijack was in Sweden water.
Crew are all russian and as Russian legislation says: Russia will do anything and any act to help and defend own citizens all over the world. So this case legitimate russian warship to do anything.

I still not understand why they faking Arctic Sea Biskaya signal from their warships. testing something or trying to misinform everybody intentionally...or was this signal faking just wrong news, disinformation itself.

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The "Alleged" hijack occured in Swedish waters.
but it has been mentioned (and never answered) several times already, WHY would any hijacker do so in the heavily policed Baltic Sea, then risk sailing down busiest sea route in the world? Then Contact British authorities 4 days later to report a "boarding" by Swedish Drug Enforcement Police?

I suspect the AIS signal from the Bay of Biscay, came from the Russian Warships, because they have now located, either the Arctic Sea, or more likely, the AIS transponder from it, (possibly in a decoy vessel). They may well have switched it on briefly to test which AIS ID it would transmit?
i.e. to confirm that this was definitely the AIS transponder from Arctic Sea.

Ok maybe old information but Finland Iltalehti news said that ship owner (ship company) don't know anything about ramson money. Finnish police said there is ransom claim.

All information is wrong in this hi-jacking. Very strange..

reply to post by northwoods
Hi North, It seems that signal was sent by another Russian fleet heading elsewhere, not the one in "pursuit" things are hotting up!
I looked in on a few seamen's forums and there is a lot of talk about Kalingrad. Another thing, it seems both the Daily Mail and the Telegraph have deleted their forums on the story, and the Wiki story had the crews names at some stage but they're gone now.

Originally posted by smurfy
reply to post by northwoods

 

Hi North, It seems that signal was sent by another Russian fleet heading elsewhere, not the one in "pursuit" things are hotting up!
I looked in on a few seamen's forums and there is a lot of talk about Kalingrad. Another thing, it seems both the Daily Mail and the Telegraph have deleted their forums on the story, and the Wiki story had the crews names at some stage but they're gone now.

Hi Smurfy!
Yeah the report said that French Marines reported the signal was coming from a russian warship heading north from the Med, returning to the Baltic Sea. Trouble is, I tracked the AIS beacon on marinetraffic.com for the 17 minutes it was live, and guess what... It was heading south!! (not North)
Nothing seems to fit!!!

Originally posted by Gordi The Drummer
This Just In...

The Arctic Sea Itenerary is BACK on marinetraffic.com!
This disappeared earlier today, but is now back, and SURPRISE SURPRISE, it now starts from 17th July and shows;
Arctic sea heading towards Kaliningrad from Svetlyy at 10.52pm, stationary in Kaliningrad at 1.01am,
then back at Svetlyy by 8.36pm???

(It was earlier reported (by the owners) that the Arctic sea had been in Kaliningrad for 2 weeks!)

There is a strange maneouvre visible around the time of the alleged boarding from about 3am on 24th July. Where the ship suddenly moves east then drifts north for a few hours, before continuing south.

Funny how the Itenerary disappears all day, then re-appears with details which suggest the Arctic Sea just popped into Kaliningrad briefly, (so it could not possibly have been fitted out with anything sinister, or loaded with nukes etc)
And the strange maneouvres reported to co-incide with the alleged hijack are clearly recorded!

Nice Cover up guys! (Pity we spotted it first!!)

G

Arctic Sea was at the Shipyard from 24.6. to 17.7 and crew were on vacation. What cover up? If someone wants real coverup they don't left traces like movement between Svetly and Kalingrad.

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The ship could not have been hijacked near England, because that's heavily patrolled. But near Portugal, with less patrol (well I am from there), there it could have been easily hijacked.

But one thing I know, we dont have pirates off the coast of Portugal!
So, whoever stole the ship, it was someone else!

I mostly believe, accordingly to this official Reuters news that the cargo is SECRET. www.reuters.com...

So, perhaps a nuclear cargo or even some UFO technology, free-energy, or scalar weapon. That would even fit better the stress caused to Russians.

It smells very strange, thats for sure.

Have you notice the incredible high number of accidents or disappearances this year, concerning planes, submarines, and above all, ships!!
It could be something happening!!!!

reply to post by Gordi The Drummer
You're right nothing fits at all, it's almost as if all the media, all the authorities, are saying the first thing that comes into their heads.The European Commision has said that the ship was attacked twice, that has been rubbished elsewhere.
An unnamed military "spokesman"(which military is not known) at the Verde islands had said that the ship has been found, but its location is a secret, while the Russian embssador there has said it is not comfirmed that any sighted ship is the Arctic Sea.
The Finnish police confirmed that there was a ransom demand, the owners say there was none.
Then there are some curious connections, President Medvedev is a late comer to politics and before that he was a timber merchant!!
The ship is said to have had a captain named Medvedev at least a couple of years ago. Although President Medvedev is reported to be an only child, he is supposed to have a non legit half-brother who is also a wealthy businessman, allegedly in a grace-and-favour position as allegedly was/is President Medvedev in the Putin camp.

Svetlyy has old USSR aged railroad coming all the way to the harbor. railroad to the harbor is of course normal. What you probably not knew is that Svetly is nice town where is also located three big Military storage areas. Well, that's probably nothing. There are thousands of towns and cities all over the world full of military storages. But just keep in mind.

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Hi North,
My point is this, that the "alleged" hijack is just that. "Alleged".
The ships movements, logged on the AIS itenerary, tracked by marinevesel.com went missing for several hours today!
(It was there yesterday, but I did not have the chance to properly plot the recorded course then)
When the Itenerary re-appeared today, it goes back to 17th July, when the ship leaves Kaliningrad, and shows erratic movements of the vessel on the early morning of 24th July, (The time of the alleged 1st boarding).
This fits perfectly with the hijack story.
Why did the Itenerary disappear for several hours?
It it possible that the data was... adjusted to "fit" the hijack story in that time?

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That's interesting. I've been told that Putin also has a non legit half-brother (in Transnistria)...

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Thanks smurfy!
Yeah.. all contradictory... smoke and mirrors... deception and mis-direction.
The latest from timesonline (The Times newspaper online) is this:

"THE Finnish owners of a cargo ship that disappeared after passing through the English Channel have received a ransom demand for the vessel’s safe return, provoking an international investigation into its authenticity.
The demand, which unconfirmed reports put at $1.5m (£910,000), added another twist to the mystery of the Arctic Sea, a Maltese-registered merchant vessel, which went missing two weeks ago. It was purportedly carrying an innocuous consignment of lumber from Finland to Algeria.

“A ransom demand has been made. Let’s say it’s a largish amount of money,” said Markku Ranta-Aho of Finland’s National Bureau of Investigation. It has not been established whether the demand was made by a gang who might have hijacked the ship.
More than 20 countries have been drawn into an improbable maritime saga of alleged hijackings, false sightings, possible pirates and now a ransom note that Finnish officials acknowledged may not be genuine. The $1.5m sum was reported by Russian state television. "

Nice,
G

Originally posted by Gordi The Drummer
reply to post by northwoods

 

Hi North,
My point is this, that the "alleged" hijack is just that. "Alleged".
The ships movements, logged on the AIS itenerary, tracked by marinevesel.com went missing for several hours today!
(It was there yesterday, but I did not have the chance to properly plot the recorded course then)
When the Itenerary re-appeared today, it goes back to 17th July, when the ship leaves Kaliningrad, and shows erratic movements of the vessel on the early morning of 24th July, (The time of the alleged 1st boarding).
This fits perfectly with the hijack story.
Why did the Itenerary disappear for several hours?
It it possible that the data was... adjusted to "fit" the hijack story in that time?

That web site you posted , marinevesel.com, is gone. I copyed and pasted the site just as you typed it but it is gone. The name is for sell but there is no site to go with it. Did you type it wrong or has the site been killed?

reply to post by fixer1967


If you mean this link, it still works:

www.marinetraffic.com...

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sorry fixer - the correct address is marinetraffic.com
G

Originally posted by Gordi The Drummer
reply to post by northwoods

 

Hi North,
My point is this, that the "alleged" hijack is just that. "Alleged".
The ships movements, logged on the AIS itenerary, tracked by marinevesel.com went missing for several hours today!
(It was there yesterday, but I did not have the chance to properly plot the recorded course then)
When the Itenerary re-appeared today, it goes back to 17th July, when the ship leaves Kaliningrad, and shows erratic movements of the vessel on the early morning of 24th July, (The time of the alleged 1st boarding).
This fits perfectly with the hijack story.
Why did the Itenerary disappear for several hours?
It it possible that the data was... adjusted to "fit" the hijack story in that time?

AIS is not perfect in every circumstances. There are fringe area/blind spots for the ais-radio in Sea. Strange maneuvers in marinetraffic I agree but cannot make lot of assumptions about that.

If you compare marinetraffic Arctic Sea route to finnish aprs system that collect signals also...it shows original marinetraffic data.
You will see that there is no any data from that hijacking date: 24.7.
aprs.fi...

Yes, this is strange.





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I think it's... possible!
I am suspicious that the data completely vanished for several hours.
G

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It might be an idea to keep an eye on APRS.fi to see if 24/7 re-appears??

It definitely seems VERY strange that two seperate vessel tracking websites seem to have had missing data regarding this.

Good find!
G

reply to post by Gordi The Drummer

It might be an idea to keep an eye on APRS.fi to see if 24/7 re-appears??

It definitely seems VERY strange that two seperate vessel tracking websites seem to have had missing data regarding this.

Yes, possible manipulating of AIS signals with the vessel itself or later with some devices. This is going stranger every minute.

In aprs.fi there has never even been data from 24/7. Well, I have watched Arctic Sea from aprs since 30.7. appr. And no data from that "hijack" day since then. So, why not? APRS.fi collect data from marinetraffic in about every 5 minute and if historical data changes it will not be replicated into APRS.fi because that just not happend in Sea. SO, marinetraffic has been manipulated. It collects data from AIS signals.

Soon someone knocking your door.

as AP wrote it: "a foggy saga of rumors, few clues"



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merchant vessels are also permitted to turn off AIS in certain areas ie gulf of aden , to protect the vessel

The vessel loads "stolen goods" (clickety-click-on-the-Geiger-counter-sort-of-goods) in Kaliningrad.
The vessel sails for Finland.
Russians find out they're missing an item or two from a storage facility.
The investigation proceeds swiftly, they figure out items are on the MV Arctic Sea.
They make plans to retrieve said goods.
Vessel docks in Finland, loads timber, sails for "Algeria".
As it's sailing south through Swedish waters, Russian forces, probably VYMPEL, board the ship and take it over. Contrary to media reports, they never leave the ship.
From now on the ship is under their control, and any communication by the ship is under their direction.
The Russians start planting disinfo in the media (how many conflicting reports have we seen?).

I'm betting we'll soon see the ship mysteriously reappear somewhere, after someone pays the "ransom" that has just recently been demanded. This way everyone will think it was a piracy event.

Your thoughts?

P.S. something here tells me the S has really, but really hit the fan here. I'm trying to research this as best I can, but there's not much to go on. I mean really, how do you read Major Gen Tom Wilkerson from the US Naval Institute saying things like this:
news.bbc.co.uk...
around 1.01 into the piece?