Swastika painted at Georgia congressman's office

It is even worse that people would behave like good little drones and go ahead and call whomever did it a racist.

Well, when someone paints a swastika on something, forgive me for taking the hint that such a person is a racist

I mean, duh

"Don't let TPTB convince you that water runs downhill or that the Earth is round! That's just what they want you to think!"

Originally posted by lucentenigma


They are further dividing the country and lumping groups together, 'if you oppose the health care bill your a racist'.

Welcome to Amerika.

Yeah, it's almost as bad as saying that if you support healthcare reform that you are some how a nazi.

EDITED: to add the obvious word REFORM ....

[edit on 12-8-2009 by HunkaHunka]

reply to post by LeaderOfProgress


The thing about this, is not being able to take this story at face value. There has been so much mud slinging from both sides, propaganda campaigns, audience plants, MSM distortions, and agent provocateurs that I'm finding it difficult to believe anything we are told anymore.

On one hand it is very possible the story happened as told and there was a racist who used a swastika in his vandalism efforts. On the other hand, it's very possible this was an inside job to smear those opposed to health care.

In my opinion, both sides are quickly losing their reputation and it's impossible to believe anything we hear.

reply to post by AshleyD


I agree. But can we all agree that this guy is making a big deal about it when he should have instead seeked some sort of protection. Can we agree that it is pretty irresponsible of this guy to go on national TV and deliberately scare people? Can we agree that this was a political stunt?

Originally posted by HunkaHunka


Yeah, it's almost as bad as saying that if you support healthcare that you are some how a nazi.

I don't think you'll find many people opposed to "healthcare", I think we all are pretty much in agreement that Healthcare = Good.

It's the government run option of healthcare, nationalized/socialized if you would, that has people concerned. Like the President said, the Post Office screws up all the time, it doesn't hurt Fed EX and UPS. Doesn't that make you have a "tingly feeling" run down your leg just thinking about how well the Government will run healthcare?

reply to post by 12.21.12


Yes, absolutely and I starred your post on page 1 right under the OP. It is highly possible this was either an inside job or an external job that came at just the right time for them to be able to take advantage of this to help their cause to stereotype Obamacare protesters as racist fanatics.

I'm not putting anything past anyone at this point. But at the same time, I don't want to say 'Oh this is so obviously an inside job' because it could possibly be the real deal and they are using it to their advantage.

reply to post by 12.21.12


I feel that it was a set-up. I saw the guy go on national TV after this happened and he didn't want to speak about what happened, he just wanted to Push the party line.

I smell set-up, I don't have proof, but I do have my reasons for being suspicious. It is no secret that both sides "plant" things like this, and on the same foot, things like this do happen legitimately.

As AshleyD said up above I really don't know what to believe anymore, my skin has gotten so thick I just find all this stuff funny. I don't know about you at first I was like how much lower can they go, then they would do it, so nothing they do would surprise me.

My question for everyone is what are they trying to distract us from with all of this healthcare reform rhetoric? It seems overly publicized and yet in the end they will not listen to the people. What are they hiding now?

reply to post by Hastobemoretolife


Exactly. Added to the fact there was a recent news story about a college student who claimed a vandal painted a swastika on her campus apartment. Surveillance footage later came to light that showed her doing it herself.

So at this point, I wouldn't say it's impossible that this was 'self inflicted' but I don't want to make accusations just yet.

reply to post by LeaderOfProgress


Well this is not the first incedent with Nazi rhetoric, there was the guy that shot up the holocaust museum. The 80 something man who was a vet and supposedly a white supremacist who had posted on the internet "anti-zionist" and "white supremecist" statements.

What 80 year old men do you know that do that kinda stuff?
I am just saying.
Something smells rotten.

Originally posted by pavil

Originally posted by HunkaHunka


Yeah, it's almost as bad as saying that if you support healthcare that you are some how a nazi.

I don't think you'll find many people opposed to "healthcare", I think we all are pretty much in agreement that Healthcare = Good.

It's the government run option of healthcare, nationalized/socialized if you would, that has people concerned. Like the President said, the Post Office screws up all the time, it doesn't hurt Fed EX and UPS. Doesn't that make you have a "tingly feeling" run down your leg just thinking about how well the Government will run healthcare?

So you are happy with the current system then?

I don't base my life on "tingly feelings" or other whacked out stuff like religion.

reply to post by AshleyD


I didn't hear about that one. Reminds me of the one girl during the campaign that "carved" a "B" in her face and said it was done by "black" people. That turned out to be set up by her too.

I'm with you, I'm not going to accuse him of planting it, because there is no evidence of it, only speculation and assumptions and you know what they say about assumptions.

reply to post by Hastobemoretolife


Well right now there is a whole thing about firefighters and racism at the workplace. It is all the work of special interest groups however. Not really so much of an issue as they make it out to be. All because some thing like a noose showing up in somebodys locker or something that implies hate crime.

Then when there is an assault commited, you can increase the punishment by calling it a hate crime of some sort and it becomes an additional penalty for the crime that was already sentenceed.

Originally posted by lucentenigma

Actually the swastika was a Tibetan symbol of good luck, the Nazi's took a peaceful symbol and warped it into there party logo.

Oh so you are saying that this

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Was meant as a symbol of good luck? Honestly I thought it was a symbol of Good luck for native Americans, but a symbol meaning permanence for the Tibetans. I could be wrong about that.

But I'm not wrong at all about the malice and hatred behind the swastika that was painted on Congressman Scotts sign.

The death threats which followed up calling him a 'n-word' pretty much cinched it for me.

I find this debate pretty funny because everyone is ASSuming a whole lot. We have no proof of who spray painted the sign or why.

Yeah... maybe they did because they wanted to wish him good luck!

The only thing that is clear is that the left is using this as propaganda to further there agenda.

Really? So someone commits a crime, vandalizes someones sign with a hateful symbol associated with the death of 6 million jews and you blame the liberals?

Welcome to Amerika.

Oh I get it now... you are one of "them".

I'm sorry, I mistook you for a thoughtful poster.

[edit on 12-8-2009 by HunkaHunka]

reply to post by 12.21.12


Yea that hate crime bill got passed a few weeks ago I remember that, so now they are trying to go ahead and get their first cases lined up to go into the system it seems like.

What do the special interest groups have to gain from this?

reply to post by Hastobemoretolife


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

That and they can continue to push their 'policing everyone' agenda upon unwilling participants so that we can in affect pay higher taxes to foot the bill.

It's funny and sad at the same time how none of you trust the Government, unless someone you voted for tells you to.

I read this site for quite a while before joining. I actually thought the Government would be monitoring what was being said here. It was all anti-Government talk. Now all I see is media talking points back and forth.

I think this site used to be full of Democrats hating on Bush and not trusting the Government. For some reason those same people now feel they can trust the Government just because a Democrat is President. Nothing has changed except the R to a D.

If George Bush was pushing this Health Care deal, would you want it shut down ? Would you be warning of Eugenics ? Would you support the Nazi characterizations and swastikas ? If you answer yes to any of those, it's time to rethink your stance.

I know not everyone falls into this category but there are some. I wish we could get past this Left, Right thing and come together. All I'm witnessing is the success they have had at dividing us.

That's all this is, this distress ATS is supposedly going through. It's just the changing of the sides, from the Left wing conspiracy theorist to the right. Now the left is defending against the right wing conspiracy theorist, and they don't like it. Probably because in their hearts they don't really believe what they are saying. They know the Government is corrupt, they've known it for years.

Nothing changes but the sides.

I personally think we need to reform Health Care. I just don't think it needs a complete overhaul. The system works, it's the details that don't.

reply to post by 12.21.12


Let me put on my Tin Foil hat here for second, are you saying trial lawyers are pushing this stuff? Cause that is who I can see benefiting, also the government, more people in prison, and a few "community organization groups". Wow what a screwed up world we live in.

reply to post by Strictsum


You are exactly right, the problem lies in one thing though, some of these people want a big government, other want a limited government.

Those two people won't ever come together, what Obama is doing is exactly what some of them "think" they want. Just about everybody was against Bush, but I see the same thing that you do. A lot of these people were just partisans and now it has become apparent.

[edit on 12-8-2009 by Hastobemoretolife]

Originally posted by HunkaHunka

So you are happy with the current system then?

I don't base my life on "tingly feelings" or other whacked out stuff like religion.

No, actually I think the costs involved in it could be streamlined. I automatically got a 17% reduction in my Son's eye doctor specialist that wasn't covered since I was paying cash out of pocket and they didn't have to deal with insurance companies billing practices. That's one area I would tackle. Streamlining the billing process would yield a minimum 5-10% savings right there.

HSA's with lower deductibles and some preventative coverage built in would be good. That way you would be covered for catastrophic coverage and only have small out of pocket outlays for run of the mill ailments.

Eliminating the 7.5% of AGI deduction for medical expenses on Income Tax would be a boon that would help many Americans. Pairing that with a tax credit for families at 150 to 200% of the FPL would make insurance affordable to them. Allowing more of Long Term Care Insurance Premium to be tax deductible would hugely help both Medicare and Medicaid. Giving doctors a tax credit for the pro bono work they do would help as well.

There's more but that's a start......where would you start to change things? I am sure you have ideas or is the current bill perfect for you?