Britain To Put Cameras Inside Private Homes to Monitor Parents

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I can understand and respect every Irish persons dislike of Cromwell, but the analogy remains.

The whole party politics system has bred career politicians whose primary concerns are personal advancement and adherence to party line regardless of personal conviction or the intersts of the constituents who elect them.
Politicians get elected then tell us what to do instead of representing our interests.

I could, and have done so in the past, rattle on about this for ages but I fear it may derail the thread, something I have no desire to do.

FFS people, fight back

They won't. They will accept this, "to keep us safe".

Just as they have accepted every other intrusion.

Is there anybody in the thread, that lives next door to a family that causes so much trouble, that people fear to leave their homes day or night.
Im not advocating that every house be policed this way, and in honesty the idea of every house having a camera installed is absolutely stupid. I cant believe that people on this site actually think that a camera will be installed in everybodys house.

I got to say i hate familes that have no respect for anything but what they can shovel in their mouths, and what mayhem they can cause on poor old ladies and every other person in the communtiy.

I tell you what, lets let them carry on, lets let them destrou our communities, and so why should families like this have the respect of people like us, when all on here are fighting for our freedoms, and to take ocntrol of our lives, and then these familes make every day life difficult for everyone.

And when i say i'm all for it, I also mean i'm all for sorting these families out, before they bring the rest of the community down with them.

Originally posted by multichild
Is there anybody in the thread, that lives next door to a family that causes so much trouble, that people fear to leave their homes day or night.

unless the trouble is caused when you go into their homes i don't see how putting cameras in their homes helps.

if a community is suffering because of the actions of a family, it is their actions in the community that is causing the suffering, not their actions inside their homes.

to be candidates for this surveillance they have been established as a problem, the bad behavior has been documented, the fact is, they are not being dealt with but the PTB are using them as a way to bleed surveillance further into the lives of citizens.

the prisons are so full of drug takers and drug dealers that there isn't any room for people who commit offenses like vandalism or non-violent robbery, so even if the cops bother to arrest them they won't be penalised.

the problem is caused by the fact that, because of the war on drugs, the law has no teeth. total surveillance is just not going to change that.

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Jesus this is really crazy! what is it with the U.K? the authorities seem to have a fetish for cameras. The U.K has got to be the most surveillance crazy country in the world it's like big brother is a little punk compared to the camera crazed cops in the U.K. Absolutely disgusting. It's beyond science fiction.

Ok pieman, I get your point. But then what cannot be working is curfews and ASBOS, the cameras I assume must be there then to make sure the kids are in the home at night, and to record as evidence abuse by the parents, or maybe its a form of therapy so that these families can see the error of their actions.

Yes the other poster is correct too, the obsession with cameras is a big thing in the UK, but in honesty I look around and see first hand that we are one of the most violent and un-educated developed countires in the world, and facts have proven this.

Maybe cameras would not serve a purpose, but I'm certainly not going to let people with no regard for anything in the UK make the lifes of those who are trying a misery.

There are so many dumb people in this world, no matter how much you show them, how much you talk to them, they couldnt give a crap as all they wont is a new pair of trainers, and a decent pair of trackies to go drinking and fighting at night in all of our communities.

I was watching Big Brother funny enough last night, and 4 of them in there couldnt work out why the queen is on the australian money. Christ sake, we talk about all kinds of issues on this forum, and its fantastic, and we are all trying to help, but I just think that sometimes there is simply no hope, and what we do about it is beyond anything I can think of at this time.

Maybe the cameras in their homes, will show how bad they really are, and some form of playback of their lives, will allow them to see what they are doing, and the hurt it causes other people.

I am a full on ATS backer, I'm not for big government, but what I am for is a decent place to live, and for anybody that wants to, to learn and move forward in life, and as for those who dont want to learn or change, then in honesty i havent got a single moment for them.

I'm not also snobby by any means, I was brought up in the south wales valleys, and Ive seen all this first hand, and because of my parents I didnt end up like it.

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This could only happen in the UK because the citizens do no longer bear arms and that is why the American People must not ever give up that right.

Yeah, it sucks to be an american but I it sucks worse in the UK cause they got nothing to defend themselves from their government.

Originally posted by multichild
Maybe the cameras in their homes, will show how bad they really are, and some form of playback of their lives, will allow them to see what they are doing, and the hurt it causes other people.

yeah, but ask yourself, why are the government willing to spend £400,000,000 showing these families how bad they are.

i believe they are using the populations fear of "chavs" to strip you of your civil liberties.

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it has nothing to do with guns. while the UK population don't have guns, most of the UK police force don't have guns either so there shouldn't be any issue in armed revolt from that angle.

Just another deranged scheme that if it ever happens will be disbanded after a month. What are they going to do when the families still run riot...lock them up...prisons are so full they choose not to lock up burglars as it is. Take the kids away? Ok, so what would that achieve as most come out of care totally disfunctional. As it is the kids are not punished whatever they do, which is why they make a mockery of any laws, as they get away with it. Admittedly these parents can't cope with being parents so the only solution would possibly be to make the parents attend parenting classes. But I doubt that would work either for some.
Personally, I can't wait for the day when everyone loses it and smashes every spying camera in the land.

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it has nothing to do with guns. while the UK population don't have guns, most of the UK police force don't have guns either so there shouldn't be any issue in armed revolt from that angle.

Exactly. Thats why they are doing this in the UK and not in the US. If they tried to do this in the US it would get pretty ugly fast.

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yes very good point there going to spend 700 million on cameras in these peoples houses but cannot help them out with washer and dryers food, etc. wow great point spend money to observe them, but nothing on helping them out

ic where your going with this.

if someone in a burning car cries for help, dont help, just take a picture

ill have to remeber that!!

Yes an interesting point, all that money on cameras.

Its funny really all this, as there is so much reality TV on now that it literally drives me crazy. You got police car chases, CCTV of cities on a friday night, wife swap and all that crap, which really is de-sensitising us to the idea of being watched.

But you all knew that anyway, but what i was getting too is the new sort of charity from millionaires programs that are cmoing out all the time, and it tied in with a thread i was reading not so long ago about Obama and his policy of spreading the wealth, I'm not sure what kid of ideology it is, but wouldnt that be more akin to socialism.

Anyway, we have loads of these programs now in the UK with regard to spreading the wealth, and rich helping the poor. In its pure form, I thin its great, you sponsor families to help them through difficult times, or you give money back to the place where you came from.

But again, this form of TV is tuning us towards a socialist perspective isnt it, and therefore CCTV TV must be able to bring about that form of government by taken our liberties and freedoms away.

Originally posted by 12.21.12
If they tried to do this in the US it would get pretty ugly fast.

no it wouldn't, you think it would but it just isn't true.

in the UK, this is a voluntary scheme, so people sign up for it. there's nothing to fight against, you don't want to do it, you don't have to. there will be a choice for the moment, prison or a fine or surveilance. then slowly, but oh so slowly, that choice will be extended to more and more people for more and more reasons.

thing is, there'll always be a choice, so nothing to fight against.

it'll happen in the US aswell, except it'll be sold to you guys as a way of making you more free. the US government already incarcerates way more of it's citizens php than any other country, which clearly suggests that the US government isn't all that happy about you guys being free, despite all your guns.

Originally posted by multichild
Ok pieman, I get your point. But then what cannot be working is curfews and ASBOS, the cameras I assume must be there then to make sure the kids are in the home at night, and to record as evidence abuse by the parents, or maybe its a form of therapy so that these families can see the error of their actions.

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The problem is that once the cameras are in the home, does it really matter why they were put there in the first place? Will the people watching them be told to shut their eyes when the kids aren't home? Flip the camera off if someone is having sex? Should the owner feel as though they have to comb their hair and put on makeup before entering their own kitchen? If you don't deserve privacy inside the walls of your own home, do you deserve any privacy at all?

This is a slippery slope because once the door is open to this kind of intrusion, where will we permit it to go next?

They should stream it to the web - then all good citizens can look out for one another... excuse me while I vomit.