What if I don't take the shot. How will they know?

I am honestly wondering. I mean, could I just say, "No thanks. I already got stuck the other day." How will they know? Is there some kind of detection system? Does it leave a discernable mark that lasts longer than 24hrs? Do they wave a wand of some sort over you to detect the chemicals raging through your bloodstream? Maybe this is an easy answer and I'm just not seeing it.

Originally posted by dtice
I am honestly wondering. I mean, could I just say, "No thanks. I already got stuck the other day." How will they know? Is there some kind of detection system? Does it leave a discernable mark that lasts longer than 24hrs? Do they wave a wand of some sort over you to detect the chemicals raging through your bloodstream? Maybe this is an easy answer and I'm just not seeing it.

They won't know...and won't make you take it! You will have those on here who will tell you are going to be forced to take mercury poisoned, micro RIFD chip lace flu shot....it's simply rubbish...don't worry

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The .gov just simply does not have the resources to handle the logistical situation of forcefully vaccinating 300million Americans.

With the resources available today, it would take a decade to achieve such a lofty feat.

Another problem, would be the hundreds of millions of guns floating around.

These issues combined would create a vast and uncontrollable situation that would quickly devolve into a complete disaster.

I think they will do this the easy way, and that is by sending tons of free vaccines to local clinics or hospitals. This way, those whom think they need a shot can go in and get it free and easy.

This cuts down on manpower needed, reduces logistic requirements significantly, and prevents your workers from being gunned down by someone who does not want the vaccine.

I am just trying to think of the situation in a clear logical way, and it seems to me this is how it will actually come about in reality.

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Answer:

Cause you'll be the one walking around still healthy!


My bet is that they will issue a card or something. All persons must carry this card and present it to LEO, Health officials etc on request.

Don't show it......forced quarantine.

It can be done.

Also, directives given to all employers, all employees must have vaccination cards or company is fined. You gotta work don't you?

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Agreed. I think they will play off our OWN fear, ignorance, and feelings of dependance to make it happen. I have enough faith in the people (even the sheepke) to believe they just plain would not allow a forced vaccination to happen.
Doesn't mean they won't figure out a way to make us take it...hell, most people still pay income taxes and we technically don't have to. People in these discussions often forget that those in power didn't get there from being stupid, and they are probably a good 3-20 steps ahead of us lol.

Originally posted by dtice
I am honestly wondering. I mean, could I just say, "No thanks. I already got stuck the other day." How will they know?

If you're in the UK, the NHS now uses a centralised patient database called the 'Spine' which is accessible by any NHS registered health/medical practitioner who you consent to treatment by.

The way the authorities would know if you had a jab or not if it became mandatory would be to cross-reference any calls made to the 'flu-hotline' where address, DoB, and other identifier info is taken and a prescription for Tamiflu or the jab dispensed. If you dont show up on the Spine as having either called the hotlineand collected a prescription, or done so at a GP surgery then it could be determined that you have not been immunised.

In that scenario, the best option would be to make a call, get the script for Tamiflu or other oral anti-viral, and just not take it. You show up on the records as having been assumed immunised, but only a blood test would determine for definate whether you really have taken the drugs prescribed

There are some inoculations and immunizations that contain genetic markers, the Small Pox vaccine being a prime example. The lesion and later scar that this particular vaccination left was indicative enough, but it also contained sequenced proteins in the vaccine that appeared to be some sort of marker (although this may have been done by the manufacturer to reference facility, strain and batch).

With any inoculation or immunization administered by order of the CDC, you are given a stamped slip to show compliance.

With mass inoculations and immunizations, especially when the National Guard is involved, there is a lot of confusion. It isn't difficult, when no one is looking, to slip from the inbound line into the outbound line. Just watch how everyone else is behaving in the outbound line. When the National Guardsmen near you are distracted dealing with some other angry person protesting the shot, drop something on the ground, lean over to pick it up and stand up in the outbound line. Start rubbing your arm like everyone else and shed a tear or two as if you are up for an Academy Award when you get to the nurse who gives you your cookie, shot of orange juice, and your slip showing compliance that you show at the door to leave.

Ever heard of a "super bill"? It is a US dollar that is counterfeited so perfectly, that there is no visible difference between the fakes and real ones.

Yet another reason why it would be exceptionally easy to fool the system by faking it out. There are countless ways around it.

Just think of how many fake ID's are floating around that fool people all the time.

These medical records are just simply not protected very well at all, and are prone to all kinds of tomfoolery.

The game of counter measures has gone on for all of known history, and there is no reason it will end any time soon.

Originally posted by fraterormus


With mass inoculations and immunizations, especially when the National Guard is involved, there is a lot of confusion. It isn't difficult, when no one is looking, to slip from the inbound line into the outbound line. Just watch how everyone else is behaving in the outbound line. When the National Guardsmen near you are distracted dealing with some other angry person protesting the shot, drop something on the ground, lean over to pick it up and stand up in the outbound line. Start rubbing your arm like everyone else and shed a tear or two as if you are up for an Academy Award when you get to the nurse who gives you your cookie, shot of orange juice, and your slip showing compliance that you show at the door to leave.

How cute!


Will have to remember this one


I do wonder how they will deal with people who have an allergy to albumen. The reason as to why I never had a flu shot is because them vaccines are brewed in egg whites and I am allergic to it.

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One military guy was reporting that there would be a bracelet with a RFID chip in it for you to wear.

Stay tuned to this site to see if there are more reports on it. To me this would be close to "the mark of the beast".

Allrighty then. Thanks to you all for the informative responses. Obviously I did not think this one through. I just can't believe we are actually on the cusp of something like this happening. I am more along the lines of those that say it would be an impossible and chaotic situation for TPTB to deal with. They are so greedy and blunt in their actions that they're not seeing all the angles. But there will be plenty of zombies lining up to get stuck just the same.

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Enforced quarentine? ...and who the heck is going to enforce that? Not to mention hauling all these people, of whom I will be one, off to the klink? There aren't enough wanna be stormtroopers around. 300 million Americans plus or minus the few hundred thousand Quislings, is an awful lot to handle.

But, unlikely to happen...

I just can't believe we are actually on the cusp of something like this happening

We aren't.

Forced vaccine will never come to fruition. Besides why force when the vast majority will happily line up for their jab?

But of course "forced vaccine at gun point, Fema camp for resistors" is more entertaining, so that is what gets the hits, not common sense.

Easy to fake.

If you know a nurse ask her to give you the shot then in private tell her you don't want it and if she's a decent friend she'll fake the record and shoot the shot down the drain.

It's as easy as that.

You get a card and records to prove you had a shot and the only person that knows otherwise will never tell for fear of what might happen to her/his job if found out.

However they could in theory take your blood and test for the anti-bodies and if none show up they would give you the shot again.

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I dont think anything is impossible any more not since they landscaped New York.

Originally posted by miss_silver
How cute!

Will have to remember this one

I do wonder how they will deal with people who have an allergy to albumen. The reason as to why I never had a flu shot is because them vaccines are brewed in egg whites and I am allergic to it.

My patented method does indeed work as I used it precisely as described when there were mandatory Vaccinations/Inoculations for a German Measles Outbreak at my High School. The CDC came in with the National Guard and rounded everyone up for mandatory vaccinations. I originally protested by refusing, and was escorted off school grounds and told I would miss the last two weeks of High School. I eventually reconsidered but while waiting in line decided it was too easy to just jump lines and fake it. Yes, I was potentially putting the other 3 people who did as I did at risk of contracting this and causing an epidemic of 4, but when you are a reckless teenager you don't take well to men with guns telling you what you have to do.

As far as having an allergy to albumen, the Drug Manufacturers have your interests specifically at heart. Because the number one cause for adverse reactions to Inoculations is Food Allergies (which 20% of the U.S. population have, and is continuing to rise dramatically), they are now using a process called Irradiated Ovalbumin in all H1N1 Vaccines just for those that happen to be allergic to albumen. Granted, this process is new and the patent was only issued late last year, however, it has been tested in animals and limited Clinical Trials for 4 years with supposedly no incidents of allergic reaction.