Photo - Obama's Kenyan Birth Certificate (political fraud)

reply to post by kinda kurious


"I am afraid you know not of what you speak. The "burden of proof" is incumbent upon the accuser, in this case the Birthers."

Actually, you are not correct. The burden of proof is incumbent upon the accuser of crimes. Not when it is pertaining to employment or running for office where one must prove legal citizenship. This shifts the burdon of proof to the one applying for the position.

Try applying for a job where they require proof of who you are by requiring certain documentation. Then post whatever you want on the internet claiming that is all you need to prove who you are and see how far that gets you with getting the job! Unless YOU provide the required proof they will not hire you!

Obama never provided the required proof. He slipped through the cracks and merely provided a photo shop created BC that was posted on the internet that was even proven to be fraudulent.

Now that he has failed to provide any proof and the fact he can not provide any proof, this makes him guilty of treason if he indeed can not prove who he says he is. All that is needed now is circumstantial evidence to show he is not who he claimed to be which there is mountains of that available. All that is needed now is a grand jury to look at all the evidence against him and issue an indictment against him. Then it will be upon to Obama to provide the proof to support his claims that he is in fact who he claimed to be!

If he still refuses then he would easily be found guilty unless they managed to select a jury that they know would never return a guilty plea no matter how guilty he is!

But regardless of where he was born really does not matter because he is not a natural born citizen, period! You can NOT be born with dual citizenship and be considered a natural born citizen! At best you can only have legal citizenship in two places which is in no way shape or form a natural born citizen. One only needs simple common sense to understand this.

Originally posted by Mak Manto
Ever hear of making a copy and just adding her name to it?

It's easy to take the original, which is real, and make a fake of it.

And that is exactly what Obama did with the one he posted on the internet!

The mere fact anyone can do that tells you there is no way anyone could possibly be expected to accept that as proof! And Obama refuses to allow anyone to see his COLB much less the original long form he refuses to release! Unless you expect people to accept fackcheck as some legal authority which is owned by the same organization that Obama sat on the board of with Bill Ayers!

Have you not even thought it odd how no one from the DNC will even come out and go on record to verify his COLB is legit? Instead they pass it off to some 3rd party like factcheck to let them say something! Last I checked factcheck is not a part of government with authority to vouch for the legal identity of politicians! Anything they have to say has no more meaning to it than what you or I have to say!

Factcheck claims he was born in HI. Thousands of others claim he wasn't. His own grandmother claims she was present during his birth in Kenya. Factcheck has more credibility than Obama's own grandmother that said she was present during his birth in a hospital in Kenya???

The Kenya government has said all of Obama's birth records are top secret in Kenya and have been sealed! Well HOW does one hold birth records top secret and seal them if no such birth ever took place in Kenya? I suppose the Kenya government is lying too! LOL

So Obama's grandmother is lying, The Kenya government is lying, The Kenya Ambassidor who said Obama was born in Kenya is lying, Obama's sister that named two different hospitals Obama was supposedly born in is just merely confused because it could never be she may just be lying and lost track of which story she told who! LOL

It goes on and on and on. No record of Obama anywhere and just a posted fake COLB posted on the internet is the only thing there is while everything else about him has been sealed not only here in the US, but in Kenya as well! Everyone should just accept the fake BC posted on the internet, all the conflicting stories from his own family members, the Kenya government, Kenya Ambassador, and most importantly of all, anything factcheck says! Yeah, OK! LOL

What are you talking about, posted only online?

It was shown offline as well, Constitution.



It comes in at 1:49.

FactCheck went to see it and took video proof of it.

It's not only online. Check your facts better, Constitution.

reply to post by Mak Manto


If that is the standard of reporting no wonder some cannot seem to think straight any more. Geez.
Did you see someone go into the Hawaiian office and whilst on camera the certificate was produced and handed over by an official? So how can you prove where it came from, whether it is genuine and whether it has either been tampered with or faked entirely? Do you understand who fact check are, and who they have affiliation with?
Do you understand that even if 15,000 short form laser copies are produced and plastered all over the White House lit up at night by pretty lights it still does not prove that he was born on American soil? Try looking at the Hawaiian government site and see how many different birth certificates or certifications there are..what they mean, who can get them etc. Then come back and tell me whether that short form means anything at all.

Might be time to move it back to the breaking news forum certainly out of political hoax www.abovetopsecret.com... This is the BC were talking about right? also new developments here www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by FollowTheConstitution

His own grandmother claims she was present during his birth in Kenya

To all the birthers: No, Obama's grandmother didn't say he was born in Kenya

The full video of that interview shows the grandmother claiming he was born in America.

MCRAE: Could I ask her about his actual birthplace? I would like to see his birthplace when I come to Kenya in December. Was she present when he was born in Kenya?

OGOMBE: Yes. She says, yes, she was, she was present when Obama was born.

MCRAE: When I come in December. I would like to come by the place, the hospital, where he was born. Could you tell me where he was born? Was he born in Mombasa?

OGOMBE: No, Obama was not born in Mombasa. He was born in America.

MCRAE: Whereabouts was he born? I thought he was born in Kenya.

OGOMBE: No, he was born in America, not in Mombasa.

MCRAE: Do you know where he was born? I thought he was born in Kenya. I was going to go by and see where he was born.

OGOMBE: Hawaii. Hawaii. Sir, she says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father was also learning, there. The state of Hawaii.

[edit on 22-8-2009 by Blackmarketeer]

If Obama can be President then they should also allow Schwarzenegger to run too.

Originally posted by FollowTheConstitution
reply to post by evil incarnate

 

"Hawaiian officials again validate Obama's birth certificate"

They verified they have his vault BC on file. They never verified the short form BC posted on the internet as being authentic. In fact they flat out refused to do so!

There is no doubt HI has his original on file....the mistery is what type of BC is on file? Again, there is 5 ways Obama could have obtained an original BC that would be on file with HI. Only one proves he was born there. The other 4 ways anyone born anywhere could obtain one from HI. So which one is it? HI refuses to answer. Obama refuses to release it!

Even Obama's sister who was born in Indonesia has a COLB from HI that looks exactly like the one Obama posted on the internet!

So the one online is no good as proof for him because it is the short form and the long form is no good because hawaiian officials will not verify the short one online? Ok, well your 4 ways to get a BC without being born here have already been covered. It is simply not true.

reply to post by Mak Manto

I don't agree with people that say the online COLB is a fake.

However, the guy in that video really comes across as ignorant when he says "What more does Obama have to do to prove it?"

If he doesn't know the document that Alan Keyes, Orly Taitz, and others are looking for is the long form birth certificate, then he has no business reporting on this issue. That question really makes him look foolish. So to answer his stupid question, what else does Obama have to do? People have asked Obama to write a letter to Hawaii saying "this letter grants the recipient permission to release details of my birth to the public" where the recipients would be the hospital where he was born (oops was he even born in a hospital? Nobody seems to know! Then why are some people so darn certain they know where he was born?), and the state of Hawaii registrar.

Originally posted by FollowTheConstitution
The burden of proof is incumbent upon the accuser of crimes.

I agree, the accusers are the "Birthers."

It is incumbent upon THEM (you) to PROVE a "crime" has been committed.

Now that he has failed to provide any proof and the fact he can not provide any proof, this makes him guilty of treason.

Again, you accuse him of "treason." It is up to you to prove it.

FTR:
President Obama has satisfied all legal, moral and constitutional obligations which is why he took the oath of office and was sworn in as POTUS by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court after he was duly elected by the citizens of America in the last Presidential election. Ring any bells?

Thanks for dropping another worthless placebo of an argument in the tip jar.

reply to post by kinda kurious

FTR:
President Obama has satisfied all legal, moral and constitutional obligations which is why he took the oath of office and was sworn in as POTUS by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court after he was duly elected by the citizens of America in the last Presidential election. Ring any bells?

How do you know he satisfied any 'obligations'...were you there? Do you know if he was asked to provide proof of his eligibility? You have a touching faith that your leaders and government are of high moral fibre.
Oh, and I seem to remember he completely messed up the oath of office and we only have someone's word for it that he did it properly later.
If you were a moral and upstanding President and the people who had elected you to govern were concerned that you were not constitutionally eligible, the decent and appropriate action would be to immediately present the evidence that you indeed were eligible and not to spend time and money fighting court cases and implementing a bill so that your records were sealed.
On that basis alone the man is not fit to serve.
A President should be an open book, not someone who is hiding their past.
And honestly, if he were to be security checked he would not pass muster to serve in the lowliest government office. Still, honesty, morality and lack of possible criminality seems not to be an issue with many members of government.

reply to post by oneclickaway


They didn't go to Hawaii. They went to President Obama's headquarters during the campaign and he showed them the short form.

It's not fake. It's real.

reply to post by Arbitrageur

EXCEPT, Obama doesn't have to show it.

He's proved that he was born here in Hawaii with his short form.

It's scary how reasoning is going on with some of you people. It's as if you're calling the guy a traitor, a non-American, and other things when he doesn't have to show his long form.

Isn't that what you're against? Isn't that what many of you say the government does?

I mean, you're backing Alan Keyes, who's a total asshole, and I believe he's still pissed off at Obama because Obama beat him in the 2004 Senate race.

And you're supporting Ms. Taitz.

You people have gone off the deep end! You're supporting a woman WHO HAS NO CREDIBILITY!

I mean, hell, Alan Keyes is a politician, and while he may be an ass, he's at least real.

She, though, is not. All she wants is her name in the spotlight. She wants this to keep going on, and despite the fact that the birther movement will die down, she'll continue to keep ranting and screaming as long as possible, because this is all she is.

Honestly, though, I'd be ashamed. If you guys are birthers, and this is who you're backing, you've forgotten the motto of ATS:

Deny Ignorance.

And let met tell you, that woman is IGNORANT.

[edit on 23/8/09 by Mak Manto]

reply to post by oneclickaway


Occasionally during the course of my participation on ATS a contrary poster will counter one of my claims with deft logic, fact and commentary.

I am then forced to pause and consider the overwhelming and insurmountable argument before me and realize that I was wrong.

Unfortunately, this is not one of those times.

Regarding the “Swearing in” which is a mere publicly staged formality (which by the way was administered in error by a staunch adversary of an opposing political party) the 20th amendment to the Constitution makes it abundantly clear the the newly elected incoming President automatically takes office on January 20th:

AMENDMENT XX
Passed by Congress March 2, 1932. Ratified January 23, 1933.
Section 1.
The terms of the President and the Vice President shall end at noon on the 20th day of January,..

www.archives.gov...

Regarding your assertion that he is “not fit to serve” I find it commendable that not one single ranking member of the opposing party has championed that claim. We are in the midst of a heated, partisan climate, yet not a single member of the Republican party in office gives any credence or merit to the claim.

That is about all your wonton rant warrants from me in the form of reply but to only add:
“Absence of Proof is not proof of absence.” William Cowper

am i the only one that thinks this argument is about as lame as the governments attempts to restore our faith in it. He is legal, you all know he is, no amount of Cartman style mental gymnastics will change that. Just get over it. we have bigger issues right now, like vaccine drama, health care reform and the like.

Originally posted by oneclickaway
Oh, and I seem to remember he completely messed up the oath of office

Justice Roberts Flubbed the Oath of Office

Obama hesitated, because he realized that Roberts said it wrong. You seem to remember incorrectly.

Originally posted by KnoxMSP

Originally posted by evil incarnate

When was it proven fraudulent? I think you are telling outright lies.

Can you prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it is 100% authentic? No? Okay, then it's a stalemate. Which is where we are going to be for a long time.

Until you can, saying Obama is legitimate is a lie as well.

[edit on 22-8-2009 by KnoxMSP]

You are wrong. You made a claim and declared it as a known fact. I ask you to back it up and instead you tell me that I cannot back up my side so we are even????????

I asked you to back up your statement. Either back it up or admit you are just telling outright lies.

As far as evidence he is legitimate...there is the birth certificate, birth announcements, his record of school and political work, his passport, financial and medical records, etc.

What do you have?

Originally posted by evil incarnate

Originally posted by KnoxMSP

Originally posted by evil incarnate

When was it proven fraudulent? I think you are telling outright lies.

Can you prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it is 100% authentic? No? Okay, then it's a stalemate. Which is where we are going to be for a long time.

Until you can, saying Obama is legitimate is a lie as well.

[edit on 22-8-2009 by KnoxMSP]

You are wrong. You made a claim and declared it as a known fact. I ask you to back it up and instead you tell me that I cannot back up my side so we are even????????

I asked you to back up your statement. Either back it up or admit you are just telling outright lies.

As far as evidence he is legitimate...there is the birth certificate, birth announcements, his record of school and political work, his passport, financial and medical records, etc.

What do you have?

'

You are confused. I was not a part of that conversation at all. I never declared anything as a fact. I believe you have me confused with someone else. Typical.

Also, where are his school records, and passport records from his past? I have seen neither of those. If you can show me passport info, or school records from 1961-1997 I will believe you, otherwise you again are not stating fact.

reply to post by evil incarnate


You seem very confused about the issues. Why not read a few pages...even just read followtheconstitution's posts on this page.
Why not do a little research about the short form and what it means, how anyone born anywhere in the world could have got one, and why the long form is the only legitimate proof.

And if you would care to show everyone links to his school records, Harvard records, Passports, financial records and health records then I am sure we will all be so very delighted. In fact you would probably be noted in history.

reply to post by oneclickaway


Once again, why does he have to? He showed he was born in Hawaii, and he showed the form offline. He showed it in person.