The Logistics of 911 Inside Job

All the joints in the building and steal reinforcements were sprayed regularly with a thick foam fore retardant - all that needed to be done was replace this with a thick foam termite - the contractors doing the spraying would HAVE NO IDEA what they were ACTUALLY spraying (you could swap beef for people and the burger flippers at McDonalds wouldn't know). As it turns out the team responsible for this was replaced several months before crisis - by none other the GEORGE W BUSHS COUSIN.....creepy.

Next you use contractors to place electronic monitors on all the steel beams which detect abnormal corrosion and alert the central computer - in fact these are simple detonators rigged with wireless or a timer (hence the building 7 theory that this is where the demolition was controlled from).

The planes were rigged with automated controls - lets face it there are well over 100,000 planes remotely and autonomously flying in the batlte theatre around the world INCLUDING the PREDATOR, RAPTOR, and B-2 STEALTH BOMBER and a new plane which stays in orbit or returns autonomously after successful nuke run - FACT. (Peter Singer Wired For War).

The NORAD drill were already planned operation.


People required one. Order the installation of remote flight equipment, order the thermite, order the remote detonators - three phone calls if your the vice president and have been the secretary of state and worked for the council for foreign relations for well over 30 years of your life like DICK CHENEY .....

ONE - but in reality - maybe had a couple of helpers.

reply to post by thedman


Or 30 West Broadway or the Winter Gardens or that Church that squished........you can tell when someone has spent too much time watching conspiracy videos on Youtube. WTC 1 and 2 are in the Report, because they were the targets.

Originally posted by thedman
reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

 

Reason these buildings were excluded was that WTC 7 (and WTC 5 & 6)
were not primary focus of attacks - they were "collateral damage"
caught when WTC 1 and 2 collapsed on them.

Also missing was Mariott Hotel (WTC 3) which was crushed when towers
collapsed on it - dont see anyone yelling about WTC 3 !

None of those building then suffered uniform global collapses exactly like controlled demolitions. WTC7 did.

reply to post by Vinciguerra


Except that it wasnt quite as uniform as truthers like to claim. Nor as neat. WTC 7 is the building that collapsed and damaged 30 West Broadway so bad that it was torn down afterwards.

reply to post by Swampfox46_1999

Except that it wasnt quite as uniform as truthers like to claim.

That is your opinion.

Nor as neat.

Maybe it was not so neat, what did you expect when the WTC 7 was demolish by explosives. If the Trade center just fell because of just fires, then why is it scientists have found Nano Thermate and Nano Thermite and a grade that these scientists are claiming to be military science.

WTC 7 was destroyed by demolition and one day soon we will find out who did it and all the people that have help covered it up, I hope they get the gas chamber because people like that are traitors to the American people and our great country.

and damaged 30 West Broadway so bad that it was torn down afterwards.

Yeah, it truly amazes me that if the WTC 7 just fell down it wouldn’t have blasted steel beams across the street so hard that it severely damaged 30 West Broadway yeah, falling building don’t project hurling objects hundreds of feet in other buildings.

reply to post by mikerussellus

On the issue of keeping secrets, it is important to remember that we are talking about a huge crime here. It's much easier to keep your mouth shut when you know you could be facing jail or death for your participation in a crime like this.

Let's suppose for a moment that you were one of the guys who helped to rig the twin towers for demolition. You are not going to let that fact out in conversation with even your closest friends. But let's say you had a crisis of conscience and finally realized that what you did was a terrible crime.

You decide to go to . . . who? (Keep in mind that The Authorities = The Perps.) Who would you tell this to? Think about it. Think carefully about it. Who?

In my book, there is only one answer to that. If you are Catholic and if your parish priest is a saint (and believe me they are out there, but rare) you could get it off your chest with him, a person sworn to secrecy that the government can't get at and the government doesn't have to get at because he is a dead end for information. It goes no further.

There is nobody else. Look into the story of Jack Ruby.


[edit on 4-8-2009 by ipsedixit]

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by Vinciguerra

 

Except that it wasnt quite as uniform as truthers like to claim. Nor as neat.

It is as neat as a conventional controlled demolition.

WTC 7 is the building that collapsed and damaged 30 West Broadway so bad that it was torn down afterwards.

Care to cite some evidence for this?

I'll focus on one element that you suggest would be difficult.

Originally posted by eniac
Controlled Demolition

Required:
Several Tons of Planted Explosives at strategic points, wired together for coordinated explosion, plus detonators.

Issues:
How to plant them?

Pay a contractor to install state-of-the-art safety equipment. Or communications equipment. They don't even have to know what it is they are installing. It would take a team of maybe five or ten people. The product is supplied for installation, unmarked, in sealed metal boxes with instructions to install.
It's really not that hard.

If you paid a sub-contractor enough to simply install some equipment in specific locations, they probably wouldn't even ask questions if it was labelled as "Communications". And, this could have been done a long time ago.

You could even pay a team of people directly employed by the government to do this knowingly, and tell them that it is a contingency plan in case the towers are attacked. It wouldn't take a lot to convince people that removing the towers is better than allowing them to burn continuously for weeks or months, becoming an icon for the enemy.

Originally posted by eniac
How much?

It wouldn't take a lot if the right substance is used and it's used in the right place. There would have to be accurate scientific tests to simulate the collapse of such a building without even expecting it to one day happen. There ARE people who know how this would happen and how little it would take. It's their job to know this for structural safety and for the eventual safe demolition of those buildings.

Originally posted by eniac
Who to plant them? (Seals? Some covert SpecOps team?)

Any government agency, recently pardoned ex-offenders with everything to gain, a sub-contractor who didn't even know what they were installing. Take your pick.

Originally posted by eniac
How long would it take? (a night? five nights?)

I guess it all depends on how many there are to install and how many men are involved. But there was a complete shut down weeks before the event on the upper floors. Companies were told this was for maintenance. Even though no such maintenance had required a shut down of this degree ever before.
Working twelve hour night shifts this could presumably be done over a week or less.

Originally posted by eniac
How to get them into the building? (I assume the building had security personnel, or were they in the know?)

If it is sanctioned by the owner/occupier, why would security even question it?
I work in security, and all it takes is the client requesting access be permitted to a sub-contractor. Security staff do not ever conduct their own "investigations" beyond being told by their client what to allow.

Originally posted by eniac
How many men required to plant them?

Again it depends. If all they are doing is attaching a box to a metal pillar, one could assume that one man would be able to complete this in reasonably short time. How many would be required for each floor? Would they be on every floor or every other floor? Are they attached by magnetic blocks, cable ties, bolts or just placed on the floor beside pillars?

Originally posted by eniac
How to coordinate explosions (ie run wires from stick-to-stick?)

Radio communications or timers could be used. They often are. Even if they were not, a building like this would have various defunct cabling already in place. All you would need to do is tap into that cable.

Originally posted by eniac
What if the initial plane attack shakes some explosives free from detonators, or breaks firing regulation (for a chain of explosions) and some unexploded packages are found later amid debris?

The impact could have loosened some of the devices, but these would be on those floors directly involved in the impact wouldn't they? And so it is fair to say that they would be destroyed. Workers on the scene have stated that everything was turned to dust. Even the planes were completely destroyed (but a passport wasn't!)
Molten metal was found, and evidence of explosives, and yet these are not officially questioned are they?

Originally posted by eniac
What if the planes don't hit as planned (how to get the explosives out without detection?)

Why would they need to be removed? Just create another scenario in which the towers collapse. Perhaps the devices reported to have exploded in the basement prior to this were the fail safe excuse in case the planes missed their target?
Even if the mission was aborted and the excuse to attack Iraq to secure the oil was found another way, they could have simply hired another contractor to remove "defunct equipment" from the towers. Again they wouldn't have to know what they were removing.

Originally posted by eniac
How far ahead of time would the explosions have to be placed? What chance of them being found by eg Maintenance Crew?

It depends on their initial intention. If they were put there as a precaution, to take down an icon to prevent continued humiliation and torment in an event like this, then it could have been years ago.
If it was done specifically for this event, it could have been completed the week before.

If the maintenance crew believed that these were "communications equipment" why would they question their position in the buildings?
In such a building, employees don't routinely search in elevator shafts and under floors just for fun. They are issued with problems to solve and they investigate and solve them.

Originally posted by eniac
People Count (how many people are going to have to work on this project?)

Not many.
Like I said, it would only take a small team of men a few weeks at most to simply put some boxes in specific places. Working twelve hour shifts this could be done very quickly.

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The entire event seems to have two distinct people battling different sides. You have the one side believing that anything is possible and that the evidence at least suggests that there was some government involvement or knowledge, then you have the opposing side believing in everything their government says, despite the clear and obvious evidence to the contrary.

None of us know exactly how this was done, but with a little imagination and a little common sense, it's far from impossible. This is a government that has put a man on the moon, created some of the most remarkable weaponry known to man, and has done some pretty disgusting things to its own people and others in the name of progress and national defence. Why is it such a stretch to think that they could do this too?

There are a few things about 9-11 that make it highly suspicious, and the US government refusing to accept or even recognise the discrepancies doesn't help their defence.

If they have nothing to hide why don't they explain the free-fall speed?
If there is nothing they can be blamed for why not investigate the traces of explosives found?
If they were not complicit, why don't they explain why the steel was removed from the site with great speed and secrecy?
If there is nothing suspicious why don't they tell us how the BBC reported the collapse of WTC7 before it happened?
Why don't they explain how two buildings collapsed into rubble, including two jet aircraft, and yet a passport was found in the streets below (in all that mess!) intact. And how is it then possible that some of the people named for the event are proven to be alive and well elsewhere?

The biggest mystery of all is how so many idiots simply accept the BS stated by the government as fact, despite all of these discrepancies.
How do Americans sleep at night knowing the thousands of innocent people died under such circumstances and they allow their government to just cover it up and stay silent?

America needs to wake up and start asking why so many of their fellow countrymen died in this way. They should be asking their government a lot of questions and demanding answers. Anything less is a shameful failure.

reply to post by Vinciguerra

Fiterman Hall, located at 30 West Broadway between Barclay and Park Place, was damaged in the September 11, 2001, attack on the World Trade Center (WTC) when falling debris from 7 World Trade Center left it with significant damage in its south façade. The 15-story building, constructed as an office building in the 1950s, had served as an extension of the 199 Chambers Street campus of the Borough of Manhattan Community College (BMCC) since 1993.

www.lowermanhattan.info...

en.wikipedia.org...:Fiterman_hall_damage.jpg

wtc7lies.googlepages.com...

Originally posted by Swampfox46_1999
reply to post by Vinciguerra

 

Fiterman Hall, located at 30 West Broadway between Barclay and Park Place, was damaged in the September 11, 2001, attack on the World Trade Center (WTC) when falling debris from 7 World Trade Center left it with significant damage in its south façade. The 15-story building, constructed as an office building in the 1950s, had served as an extension of the 199 Chambers Street campus of the Borough of Manhattan Community College (BMCC) since 1993.

www.lowermanhattan.info...

en.wikipedia.org...:Fiterman_hall_damage.jpg

wtc7lies.googlepages.com...

The first of your links says it was torn down not due to damage from the collapse of WTC7 but because of dust contamination. The second shows peripheral damage, and I'm not even bothering with the third.

Conclusion: it was not torn down due to WTC7 landing on it.

reply to post by Vinciguerra


So If WTC 7 did not fall on it what did this to 30 West Broadway?

Portions of the south facade from the 15th floor collapsed. a vertical section of the perimeter wall extending 5 floors down from the setback at the center of the south facade was raked away. Local collapse also occurred at the southwest corner. The majority of the glass panes were knocked out on the south façade, in a triangular pattern that extended to the full width of the base. Floors 9 through 14 had two collapsed bays, and floors 3 through 6 had three collapsed bays. A considerable amount of debris was on the 8th floor.

Sounds like something more that dust hit the building.

Can see extent of debris pile in this picture



Barclay St between the buildings is a 4 LANE HIGHWAY! - it is very wide

I was in NYC today and toured WTC site again - walked around to gain perspective

For debris to cross Barclay St would have to travel at least 75 if not
closer to 100 ft