Osama worked for the US till 9/11

Tim Osman (Ossman) has recently become better known as Osama Bin Ladin. "Tim Osman" was the name assigned to him by the CIA for his tour of the U.S. and U.S. military bases, in search of political support and armaments.

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The bad news was that some factions of the CIA didn't feel that Oldberg and Osman's group were the real representatives of the Afghans. Upon hearing this both Tim and Ralph were indignant. They wanted to mount a full-court press.
Did the lobbying effort take place? I don't know. There is some evidence that Tim Osman and Ralph Oldberg visited the White House. There is certainty that Tim Osman toured some U.S. military bases, even receiving special demonstrations of the latest equipment. Why hasn't this been reported in the major media?
If the war against Osama Bin Laden (Tim Osman) is not a total fraud, then what is Michael Riconosciuto doing in prison?
The same is true with respect to the recent plane bombings of the WTC. It wasn't an intelligence "failure". The terrorist acts were deliberately allowed to happen. The actors may have been foreign. But the stage directors appear to have been all along here in the U.S. Cui bono?

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Ex-Security Chief Brzezinski's Interview makes clear:

Second, the interview is instructive concerning so-called "conspiracy theory." To be sure, there are plenty of nutty theories out there. And of course, there are plenty of just plain wrong theories. But as Brzezinski demonstrates, the US foreign policy establishment did, for want of a better word, conspire.

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Bin Laden's Oxford days

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There is no greater example of the perfect bogeyman than Tim Osman aka Tim Ossman aka Osama bin Laden.
Tim Osman was the name Osama went by in the eighties when he was procuring weaponry for the Mujahadeen, who were battling the Russians in Afghanistan.
Although it has vehemently been denied by the Bush Mob and many members of the Republican party and its lapdog media assets, Poppy Bush was indeed heavily involved with members of the bin Laden family through the global private equity firm known as The Carlyle Group, whose chairman, up to January, 2003, was Frank Carlucci, former Secretary of Defense under Ronald Reagan and former Deputy Director of the CIA under Jimmy Carter.
Of course our media won’t touch the Carlyle-Bush-bin Laden issue, but Dutch documentary filmmakers fleshed it all out by presenting numerous in-depth interviews with American business people who were involved with Carlyle and were privy to the Bush-bin Laden relationship.
The 55-minute video, which has a Dutch introduction, then resumes in English, can be viewed at www.informationclearinghouse.info...
“Milt Bearden, the CIA’s station chief in Pakistan from 1986 to 1989, admitted to the January 24, 2000, New Yorker that while he never personally met bin Laden, ‘Did I know that he was out there? Yes, I did ... [Guys like] bin Laden were bringing $20-$25 million a month from other Saudis and Gulf Arabs to underwrite the war. And that is a lot of money. It's an extra $200-$300 million a year. And this is what bin Laden did.’
“In 1986, bin Laden brought heavy construction equipment from Saudi Arabia to Afghanistan. Using his extensive knowledge of construction techniques (he has a degree in civil engineering), he built ‘training camps,’ some dug deep into the sides of mountains, and built roads to reach them.
“These camps, now dubbed “terrorist universities” by Washington, were built in collaboration with the ISI and the CIA. The Afghan contra fighters, including the tens of thousands of mercenaries recruited and paid for by bin Laden, were armed by the CIA. Pakistan, the US and Britain provided military trainers.
“Tom Carew, a former British SAS soldier who secretly fought for the mujaheddin told the United Kingdom’s The Observer in August 2003 that ‘The Americans were keen to teach the Afghans the techniques of urban terrorism—car bombing and so on—so that they could strike at the Russians in major towns. . . .Many of them are now using their knowledge and expertise to wage war on everything they hate.’

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And, by the way, the date of Poppy Bush’s lies was Sept. 11, 1990.
It was also during this speech that Bush evoked the term New World Order, and he did it four times.

A terrorist is a criminal using terrorism as a tactic to manipulate the behavior of a target population. To call a criminal a terrorist is to acknowledge their success and admit your terror. Such a reward will encourage further criminal behavior.

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Osama bin Laden, former mastermind of a criminal organization known as al Qaeda, was recently awarded the title of Saifullah, sword of Allah, by The Pakistan Ulema Council. While this is a high honor for a Muslim cleric, the people of the United States awarded Osama even higher honors and confered more power and granted a more far reaching legitimacy to him and to al Qaeda.
No leader of a criminal gang has ever been so empowered and so legitimized as has Osama bin Laden.

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In case you weren't paying attention...

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Take into consideration that the FBI most wanted page for Usama Bin Laden does not list 9/11 as his crime. FBI has stated in the past that they do not have sufficient evidence that Osama (Tim Osman) was involved in 9/11.

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The bin Laden family, and the Bush families, have been friends and business partners for many years. In 1977, George Bush, Jr. started Arbusto Energy Co., in Midland, Texas. One of his first and major investors was Salem bin Laden, the older brother of Osama bin Laden.Another interesting connection is, Sheikh Kalid bin Mahfouz. Mahfouz is one of the richest men in the world, and was also a major investor in Arbusto Energy Co. Further, he was operational director of the corrupt BCCI between 1986 and 1990, as well as being a major contributor to Osama and al-Qaeda. One more little detail. Mahfouz’s sister is Osama bin Laden’s wife!

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actually, paul loffoley said the bin ladens' were inspecting the building, and he was an architect for some lower floors. he said the bin laden's asked him where you would put explosives to bring it down. so, the bin laden's construction company were intimate with the design and have known where to put explosives since the sixties.
he says he was shocked by the question at the time, as it wasn't common to think that way, back then.

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This is proberly one reason why the us wants bin laden alive not dead.Bin laden is a better asset to the us goverment alive.Just imeigen the connections bin laden has in the middle east and around the world.Just imeigen uterlising thoses connections in return for money and certain favors.Favors that include some infomation coming out of Saudi Arabia and Iranian goverments involving where money is being funded and to who.Getting the upper hand and getting in early on thoses goverments foreign investments.

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A few people here on Pardon My English seem to under the delusion that Bill Clinton did not cause the attacks of September 11th. So I’ll set them straight.
It was said by former Clinton advisor Dick Morris that, Clinton was an utter and total failure. The statement refers to Clinton's unwillingness to remedy the problem of international terrorism. Much has been said and written about Clinton, but facts are facts, and the facts show that Clinton did not protect America from terrorism, in particular Usama bin Laden. Usama bin Laden heads the terrorist group Al Qaeda. Bin Laden explained the purpose of the group in an interview in May of 1997, he declared a jihad, a holy war, against the United States government because it is, according to him, unjust, criminal, and tyrannical.

Clinton was made painfully aware of the danger this group provided, but he did little to nothing to stifle its threats. Al Qaeda was busy during the Clinton Administration; the group took responsibility for the attack on the World Trade Center in 1993, the bombing of the U.S.S. Cole, the attacks on two U.S. military barracks in Saudi Arabia, the bombing of two U.S. Embassies in Africa, and the attacks on United States soldiers in Somalia. Throughout these attacks, Clinton did nothing to protect America or her citizens; in fact he sabotaged America's ability to protect herself. Clinton incapacitated America by weakening the counter-terror organizations, overusing diplomacy, and simply ignoring the problem of international terrorism.

Weakening the Counter-terror Organizations

Clinton disrupted the counter-terror organizations' ability to protect America on many different levels. It seems he kept a few words handy when dealing with armed forces, Central Intelligence Agency, and Federal Bureau of Investigation: under-funding, over-politicization, and compromise.

Clinton dangerously weakened the armed forces. He kept them under-funded and over-politicized at the same time as spreading them thinner than any president had ever done before. To keep his special interest constituents happy, Clinton made sure the armed forces, the Army in particular, was bogged down with political correctness. Clinton instituted a stress card system in boot camp. In this system, if a recruit was stressed he or she could flash a yellow card to the Drill Sergeant and would be exempt from the exercise. How will a soldier be able to stop terrorists if they can wimp through boot camp? President Clinton lowered the level of Special Forces training so that more women could join.

At the same time as weakening the Army, he spread it out all over the world. He used the Army in South America, the Near East, Africa, the Middle East, and Oceania. His use, or rather misuse, of the armed forces was both dangerous and ineffective.

The Central Intelligence Agency suffered greatly under Clinton. According to CIA agent Robert Baer, by the mid-1990s, the CIAÕs headquarters throughout the world lacked the officers to go after the rising epidemic of radical Islam. Clinton often ignored the CIAÕs advice, he considered them irrelevant. The CIA warned Clinton that without proper funding, it could not properly supply the White House with current, honest intelligence. Clinton responded by disregarding the CIAÕs request for more funding.

It was the Federal Bureau of Investigation agent John O'Neil that first connected Usama bin Laden to the rise in Islamic radicalism, specifically the terrorist actions of Muslims. O'Neil told officials in 1997,

When bin Laden, speaks we have to listen. They have the capability to strike American soil any time they choose.
Then on September 10, 2001, O'Neil said,

It's going to happen. And it looks like something big is brewing.

O’Neil made a career of tracking bin Laden and predicting his actions, he informed the White House that bin Laden is the center of activity and that he controls the actions of millions of followers. The White House, starting with President George H. W. Bush and peaking with President Clinton, neglected his warnings.

The one time President Clinton did use military might, it was hastily done. Clinton had ordered the bombing of Afghanistan and Sudan to take attention away from the Lewinsky scandal. O'Neil, and a few others in a tight circle of national security insiders, knew Clinton was working with intelligence that was more than a year old. O'Neil felt that if Clinton was going to use the information, he should have used it when he got it, not when it was politically helpful. Clinton did not even notify the Director the FBI of the attacks. Clinton also didn't notify the FBI or CIA agents that were in those countries; they were essentially left in two heavily bin Laden sympathizing nations wearing FBI coats. A total of 75 Tomahawk Cruise Missiles were fired, Afghani terrorist camps and a Sudanese VX manufacturing plant were the targets. The VX plant turned out to be an aspirin plant, the only casualties were Sudanese civilians. And time proved Clinton wrong with his attacks in Afghanistan. All the terrorist training camps survived well enough to train Mohammed Atta, the suspected ring-leader of the high-jackers on September 11th.

The Over Use of Diplomacy

It was President Teddy Roosevelt that said, Walk soft but carry a big stick. Clinton never failed to walk softly, but his destruction of the armed forces weakened his big stick. Clinton was weary of using the full force of military might, this is shown by his complete inaction after each terrorist attack. This compounded with his ineffectiveness at diplomacy made him useless at protecting America.

After the bombing of Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia that killed 19 Americans, the Saudi government arrested eleven suspects. Clinton tried to get the Saudi government to allow America to try the suspects. He failed. Agent OÕNeil contacted former President Bush, and together they were only able to witness an interview of the suspects.

To prove his complete lack of caring, Clinton froze all of bin Laden's assets. He did this as a last-ditch effort to prove he did something. Clinton notified Congress of his freezing of bin Laden's assets in August of 1998, three years later bin Laden was still capable of killing thousands of American citizens on American soil. Clinton failed to realize that bin Laden's power doesn't come from assets, it comes from rhetoric.

Dick Morris explains Clinton as having paralysis by analysis. According to him, Clinton sees everything as a complex problem, where others would simply see it as a problem that can be fixed with swift military action. Morris had this to say about Clinton:


Beyond Clinton's reluctance to engage the military, another factor was at play here: Bill Clinton was a one-thing-at-a-time president.
It was this indecision and inaction that caused the September 11th attacks. Clinton should have engaged the military with an all out assault on bin Laden, his terrorist camps, and all nations that harbored those camps.

Clinton Simply Ignored the Problem of International Terrorism

Bin Laden claimed responsibility for six terrorist attacks on Americans during Clinton's years as president; as Morris writes, All our terrorist problems were born during the Clinton years. After the six attacks, a total of 75 missiles were launched, no troops were deployed, and no extra covert agents were deployed.

In 1993, American soldiers were involved in what has become named the Black Hawk Down Incident. In a routine operation, U.S. soldiers were to detain key Somali figures. The soldiers came under heavy fire and were unable to adequately protect themselves because of a White House order to only use light weaponry. In that operation, 18 American soldiers were killed. Bin Laden claimed responsibility for the attacks. President Clinton responded by showing his attitude toward terrorism, he gave in to bin Laden and removed all troops from Somalia.

After the attacks on the U.S.S. Cole, the Khobar Towers, and the World Trade Center, Clinton did nothing of importance. Bin Laden was basically told that he could kill Americans with no repercussions. It was this message that Clinton showed that allowed bin Laden to orchestrate the attacks of September 11th. Also, when the Sudanese government got tired of protecting bin Laden, they offered to give him to Clinton, but Clinton refused. Rumor has it that this occurred two other times with the same result; however, this can not be proven because when people learn of devastating information about Clinton, they tend not to survive.

On February 26, 1993, America and Clinton Administration realized the full scope of bin Laden's abilities. On that morning, Ramzi Yousef and a few others parked an explosives-ridden van in the below-ground garage of the World Trade Center. When the bomb went off six Americans were killed and over one thousand were injured. This attack was the first of its kind seen on American soil, it should have awakened the Clinton Administration, but it didn't.

Conclusion

No man caused the attacks of September 11th more than bin Laden himself, but it was President Clinton that allowed those attacks to happen. Bill Clinton systematically turned the counter-terror organizations to a politically correct automaton of his pacifistic, anti-military beliefs. It is this attitude of his that allowed bin Laden to kill almost 3,000 Americans in one day. Clinton also relied too heavily on diplomacy when military intervention would have been safer, more methodical, and more complete. Finally, Clinton disregarded the warnings of the CIA and the FBI. He continued his pattern of ignoring America's best interest by refusing to imprison bin Laden. It was Clinton that allowed the tragedy to happen, and now he has the death of 3,000 Americans on his conscience.
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Putting the blame on someone at the presidential level is a non starter and a waste of time. I'd wager that NO president is ever kept in the loop as to what certain "intelligence" agencies, or factions / departments therein, are up to. As a lot of the funding for some of these groups most likely is off the books - money from organised crime, drug trafficking etc - then it also follows that there is absolutely no oversight outside of those few in the know. Most likely, these ops are run by the money men and the old boy network of elitist bankers and powerful families who always seem to come up smelling of roses, whilst bankrolling both sides of a conflict.
The idea that a president has any sort of control of, or influence over these operations is laughable. If they ever did find out or tried to shut them down they'd be dead and buried very quickly.

So, try blaming Clinton, but don't forget it happened on Bush's watch - and they kept him busy on that fateful day, flying around in Airforce-1, whilst Cheney and Rumsfeld ran the show (just to make sure everything went to plan - well nearly, as something went wrong with flight 93 and they had to blow up WTC-7 without a plane strike!).

Don't listen to the talking heads in the suits, they are irrelevent, look at who is behind them and pulling the strings.

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Bush's presidency was a disgrace, but the blame for 9-11 should not fall totally on his shoulders. This cowardly act by Muslims was rooted in Clintons lack of response to the 1993 WTC bombing and the attack on the USS Cole. Lets not forget that the government of Sudan offered Bin Laden to the Clinton administration, but Clinton did'nt want to touch him. Why was that??? I simply presented facts which cannot be disputed. Both presidents were a disgrace, but the blame should not fall totally on Bush.