Soldier Takes War Protest to the PM

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Did not do proper research?
lol

you do know right that much of the truth only came out AFTER the war began right?

No, I did not know that. I was under the impression that the truth has always been the truth.

In fact, I don't even know what this "truth" you speak of, is. Can you please re-iterate on what the "truth" is? Please include sources.

I can't wait to finally find out the "truth".

I don't know what the law in England, specificly the military is....

In the Us, once you are in, you are the property of the US military.

You, basicly, lose the right to say no.

If this is the same, then that man need be place in the brig on charges of disobeying orders and so on.

reply to post by mrmonsoon


It is not english law, It is UK Law which the Military abides by. Thought I would point this out to you.

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
I don't know what the law in England, specificly the military is....

In the Us, once you are in, you are the property of the US military.

You, basicly, lose the right to say no.

If this is the same, then that man need be place in the brig on charges of disobeying orders and so on.

Fair enough. But it doesn't make him wrong.

His opinions still count. He's seen things firsthand and quite obviously doesn't want to go back. It seems like this man has great courage in turning against his orders...... and only something terrible could possibly persuade him.

Fair play to the man.

Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
I don't know what the law in England, specificly the military is....

In the Us, once you are in, you are the property of the US military.

You, basicly, lose the right to say no.

If this is the same, then that man need be place in the brig on charges of disobeying orders and so on.

Fair enough. But it doesn't make him wrong.

His opinions still count. He's seen things firsthand and quite obviously doesn't want to go back. It seems like this man has great courage in turning against his orders...... and only something terrible could possibly persuade him.

Fair play to the man.

He signed a contract. Period.

Why don't people understand that?

EDIT- do you think he should pay back the $$ received as a soldier?

[edit on 30-7-2009 by ninecrimes]

Originally posted by ninecrimes

Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
I don't know what the law in England, specificly the military is....

In the Us, once you are in, you are the property of the US military.

You, basicly, lose the right to say no.

If this is the same, then that man need be place in the brig on charges of disobeying orders and so on.

Fair enough. But it doesn't make him wrong.

His opinions still count. He's seen things firsthand and quite obviously doesn't want to go back. It seems like this man has great courage in turning against his orders...... and only something terrible could possibly persuade him.

Fair play to the man.

He signed a contract. Period.

Why don't people understand that?

May i suggest you find your glasses (possibly on the top of your head?) and re-read my post.

Then come back and comment. Many thanks.

Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by ninecrimes

Originally posted by mr-lizard

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
I don't know what the law in England, specificly the military is....

In the Us, once you are in, you are the property of the US military.

You, basicly, lose the right to say no.

If this is the same, then that man need be place in the brig on charges of disobeying orders and so on.

Fair enough. But it doesn't make him wrong.

His opinions still count. He's seen things firsthand and quite obviously doesn't want to go back. It seems like this man has great courage in turning against his orders...... and only something terrible could possibly persuade him.

Fair play to the man.

He signed a contract. Period.

Why don't people understand that?

May i suggest you find your glasses (possibly on the top of your head?) and re-read my post.

Then come back and comment. Many thanks.

I'm capable of reading a couple sentences, and I did before my reply. But thanks for making assumptions (you know what happens when you assume).

Do you think the soldier should return the money he's collected during his "duties"?

Do you think the soldier should return the money he's collected during his "duties"?

No i think he's earned it...

Now he's making a conscious decision not to go back. He's making a point here.

Originally posted by ninecrimes
Do you think the soldier should return the money he's collected during his "duties"?

Do you think war-profiteers should return the money they made off war?

Well i for one salute this guy.

It probably takes just as much courage to say he doesn't want to go back, than to go there in the first place.

To go against the convictions of his friends and collegues.

He had the guts to say he didn't want to go back there.

He thought for himself and is doing what he believes is right and i totally agree with him.

Those calling him a scumbag etc are unbelieveable. If they've been to Afghanistan themselves then fair enough. But if not....what do they know?

[edit on 30/7/09 by Kram09]

Originally posted by Kram09
Well i for one salute this guy.

It probably takes just as much courage to say he doesn't want to go back, than to go there in the first place.

To go against the convictions of his friends and collegues.

He had the guts to say he didn't want to go back there.

He thought for himself and is doing what he believes is right and i totally agree with him.

Those calling him a scumbag etc are unbelieveable. If they've been to Afghanistan themselves then fair enough. But if not....what do they know?

[edit on 30/7/09 by Kram09]

I know that he signed a contract, and is now expecting to break the contract without paying back what he's been given thus far.

That's what I know. what do YOU know?

reply to post by ninecrimes


I know that sometimes it takes someone to think and act morally to save face. If not for himself then for his unit, for his regiment and for the whole army....... country.

I know that sometimes people at the highest point of command can be decived.

I know that my opinion is equally valid as evryone elses, as is the soldier's. As is yours.

reply to post by ninecrimes


I'm sure he didn't get all the cash up front so what hes earned so far is his because he EARNED it.

Now as for signing a contract and backing out of it later. Its up the the solider in question! it doesn't make him not a solider previously to that point. LOL

Ok so my thoughts on the solider: good on this guy for standing up for what is right instead of "Orders" At least he had the huevos to stand up against something bigger than he is

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
If I signed up for a job that told me I would be helping out my community but instead I was bankrupting them, making rich people richer and oppressing other communities in the process i'm signing out!

These wars were based on lies.

A War that he himself signed up for. L/Cpl Joe Glenton joined the Army in 2004 and states he believed in the War. Only after doing a tour has he decided he doesn't want to go back, which I believe is really a fear of being injured or killed.

But the bottom line is the guy joined the Army after hostilities began, yet when he actually found himself on the front line, he realised he didn't like the job.

Tough cookies.

It's what he volunteered for, but now he's got second thoughts about the committment he made and is trying to back out of it.

He's been in the Army 5 years, served a tour in 2006 and only 3 years later, when faced with another deployment, does he want to back out.

If he was so against the War, he should have left as soon as he got back in 2006, but he went AWOL isntead making his case even worse. He could have bought himself out, but no....

Only when he realised he faced a second tour, did he shirk his responsibilities and back out, letting down himself, his fellow soldiers and his country.

[edit on 30/7/09 by stumason]

Originally posted by mr-lizard
I know that my opinion is equally valid as evryone elses, as is the soldier's. As is yours.

I disagree, his opinion is not valid
it would be if it was just a discussion but it's not

it's not war, it's business
and his opinion is not valid at the expense of his country being bankrupt for this war he's supporting(and yes he's supporting it), or at the cost of an alarming growing rate of tent cities, foreclosures, businesses dying, rising unemployement, fiat money, decreasing the dollar value and creating a global economic ripple effect, murder, apartheid, invasions, genocide, torture etc...

So I really disagree, because it affects too many other than himself I don't believe his opinion is valid.

reply to post by Steilhe


It costs at least £250,000 to train a bog standard British soldier, which seems to have been wasted on someone who joined the Army for the training, but wasn't up for actually doing the job.

You join the Army, you follow orders. It's not a netball team! You don't have the choice to pick and choose which orders you want to follow. If he wanted out, he could have bought himself out, but he went AWOL like a coward.

reply to post by ninecrimes


All i know, is that i agree with the soldier in question.

I do not think he should have to pay back any money.

Well I live in states and am a marine but don't agree with these wars anymore so I say good for him. Although I doudt he'll change anything.

On the otherhand though he shouldn't have signed up but then I see people saying he's already been to afghanistan so when I think about it I don't really know how I feel about this.

But any protest against war is good protest, imo!


[edit on 30-7-2009 by jeasahtheseer]