Creationist FAIL - Young Earth Creationists, do explain this for me

Originally posted by aorAki
That was a disgustingly wrong video and I, for one, am upset that people peddle this crap.
As a geologist I can say that he is categorically wrong and that it wouldn't/doesn't stand up to rigid scrutiny...whereas...oh what's the point, I'm probably working for TPTB anyway.

well it is certainly a possibility we can entertain. I myself minored in geology back in the day and did found it a shock at first but after reviewing and considering the other evidence he produces, I find it an entirely plausible theory.

After all, it is just that, a theory. If it disgusts you and upsets your indoctrinated geological learning's then so be it.

We cannot claim to be intelligent and seekers of knowledge if we put up walls at every strange or foreign idea that is presented.

Originally posted by makinho21
I'm pretty sure I stated that not having an education in a certain field does not mean you can't read and learn about said field and become familiar with it.
"Not that he doesn't have any knowledge of these areas. One can easily read literature and studies and grasp a pretty decent idea about a specific discipline."
However - you are wrong. I did read his bogus page and it made me gag. He writes with such ferocious smugness, that he thinks by insulting you and your ideas, he can present his garbage as a scientific alternative -
"one of the best ways to quickly identify a "crackpot" is by noting the emotional nature of the text." I keep this adage close at heart.
I found a board where Mr. Adams made an appearance and attempted to bolster his outrageous claims by again, simply trying to sound over-educated and superior to the other posters. You'll find his posts (under NealAdams) start about a third of the way down.

How you read and interpret someone's writing is your own business.
Google made you an armchair expert did it?
great here's a diploma, now go forth and solve the mysteries that be.

Anyone can pose as anyone else on the interwebs. I would take such things with a grain of salt.
Twitter is a good example of this:
Companies Cope With Twitter Imposters
online.wsj.com...

Twitter Imposters - Watch Out
www.knecht-it.com...

Originally posted by JaxonRoberts
And blind faith prevents you from ever seeing all the possibilities.

good quote
1 billion stars for you

Or perhaps the whole of humanity is Lost and Does Not know what the Universe, Earth and especially themselves is really about ???

Indisputable Fact... Primates or Humankind is divided against itself.!!!

Remember these Comments I have written here also include myself as well as You in The Primate Family which the human race is one of...

Your whole experience involving your body and your environment, is Nothing More than a Story ! LOL...

Perhaps appearing as Physical to you, but never the less Only a Story !


So what is it All Really about ???

A Test for Humans taught by religion ???

Evolution... Why & What For ???

Both are So wrong....

Why are so called Intelligent people, Divided Against Each Other ???

Stand back from your lives and take another good Long look...

Religion divided against Religion...

Science Divided against Science....

And these two are often Divided against each Other....

Both These Debate Don't they ???

Primate against Primate....

To Debate is To disagree or be divided against each other...

For Example The only Ones that win in a Court Room are the Lawyers, Justice is Not served!

In this Argument The Only One that Wins, is Awareness or Life.

The Rest are Buried in the Ground to be found as Fossils or are eaten by Worms.

But this is The Destiny of Primates....

So What about Life ???

So what is Going on ???

Both Science and Religion is False !!!

Science does Not know All and is only at the very beginning like a cave man taking a look outside his cave and being frightened runs back into the darkness of his cave....

Religion cant even look out of its Cave and can only remain in the darkness of the cave and dream !!!

So wake all you primates and Take a Look and Accept Yourselves and The Experience for what it is...

And Don't Pretend and see the Experience As It Is And Not as You would Like It To Be !!!

[edit on 8-7-2009 by The Matrix Traveller]

reply to post by warrenb


Alright well I went and did a few searches myself. Please, enlighten me - if the earth is expanding why is there mountain building? Take the Rockies - sedimentary rock layers correlate to those of the adjacent Alberta plains. The Rockies were once flat and spread out, yet have been condensed and pushed upwards. If the earth was expanding, things would tend to "flatten" out.
Also - there is significant geophysical seismic data that shows oceanic crust UNDERNEATH the continental crust - That, my friend, is subduction. This cook tries to tell us subduction doesn't exist. Yarrrrrrrrr
-There are volcanic rocks close to subduction zones that are composed of both oceanic and continental. Why is that? Can we drop this garbage now. Thank you

Originally posted by makinho21
reply to post by warrenb

 

Alright well I went and did a few searches myself. Please, enlighten me - if the earth is expanding why is there mountain building? Take the Rockies - sedimentary rock layers correlate to those of the adjacent Alberta plains. The Rockies were once flat and spread out, yet have been condensed and pushed upwards. If the earth was expanding, things would tend to "flatten" out.
Also - there is significant geophysical seismic data that shows oceanic crust UNDERNEATH the continental crust - That, my friend, is subduction. This cook tries to tell us subduction doesn't exist. Yarrrrrrrrr
-There are volcanic rocks close to subduction zones that are composed of both oceanic and continental. Why is that? Can we drop this garbage now. Thank you

ok look at it this way, the simplest example I can think of at the moment:

what happens to a piece of popcorn when exposed to heat?
It expands and balloons out. It does not flatten.

Rifts and valleys as seen on land and in the ocean are caused by the splitting of the landscape due to expansion from below.


Another thing to consider is that dirt is organic and only accumulates when organisms "die". Dirt without many organisms is sand which is itself ground stone of various sorts. As the organic matters build up over the eons, this helps increase the volume of the sphere.

Originally posted by warrenb

Originally posted by makinho21
I'm pretty sure I stated that not having an education in a certain field does not mean you can't read and learn about said field and become familiar with it.
"Not that he doesn't have any knowledge of these areas. One can easily read literature and studies and grasp a pretty decent idea about a specific discipline."
However - you are wrong. I did read his bogus page and it made me gag. He writes with such ferocious smugness, that he thinks by insulting you and your ideas, he can present his garbage as a scientific alternative -
"one of the best ways to quickly identify a "crackpot" is by noting the emotional nature of the text." I keep this adage close at heart.
I found a board where Mr. Adams made an appearance and attempted to bolster his outrageous claims by again, simply trying to sound over-educated and superior to the other posters. You'll find his posts (under NealAdams) start about a third of the way down.

How you read and interpret someone's writing is your own business.
Google made you an armchair expert did it?
great here's a diploma, now go forth and solve the mysteries that be.

Anyone can pose as anyone else on the interwebs. I would take such things with a grain of salt.
Twitter is a good example of this:
Companies Cope With Twitter Imposters
online.wsj.com...

Twitter Imposters - Watch Out
www.knecht-it.com...

And I suppose a "minor in geology" makes you an expert over actual geologists? When you present something like that which is completely in disagreement with the accepted theory or practice of a field - like you have done - you surely need to back these claims up. As far as I'm concerned, Mr. Adams has completely failed to do so, on his webpage, and in that forum which I found. I assure you, BAUTforum is not twitter. Respected and educated scientists share their views and criticisms, and Mr. Adams felt he could successfully "stump" them with his confusing and jumbled explanations. Compare his writing on his website to his posts. It's the same "in-your-face" attitude and attempts more to degrade the reader than present ideas. Ofcourse, we can not be sure if it really is him on that forum, and you can cling to that if you want. I think he just bit off more than he can chew.

reply to post by makinho21


I did say it was just a theory.
In any event, we've side tracked from my original point of posting his theory; which was to offer yet another alternative to the ones you had posted.

First off, I'm pretty confident in believing that The Matrix Traveller is a spam bot. I've never seen him/her/it post anything that makes sense or is on topic.

In regards to the "growing earth" theory, could someone please give a plausible explanation as to where millions and millions of gallons of water came from?

reply to post by PieKeeper


Try Reading again and open your Mind instead of trying to justify your own beliefs.

You never know others as well as myself just might be trying to wake you up.

Spam Bot???? LOL.. I don't think so..... LOL..

Just lived a few years, and have seen all these thoughts and beliefs before, and nothing changes.

I am starting to think, it is "Ground hog Day" ! LOL..

Lets see some new Ideas and Understanding instead of a broken record that goes round and round stuck in the same old groove of predictable arguments.

Try a new line of thought you never know what you may discover.... LOL...

reply to post by The Matrix Traveller


How am I trying to justify my beliefs? I asked a valid question.

This thread is about geology and most of the discussion has been about the "growing earth" idea. It isn't a discussion of philosophy.

reply to post by PieKeeper


It is Not my intention to introduce Philosophy at all, but merely point out the fact, it is Impossible for anyone including you and Science, to understand the Story of a book by starting at the second to last page of the book without starting from the beginning.

We should read from the first page of the book, then we can understand the story as it was.

1. The Story in this case being History!

2. The Pages being History!

By trying to put together the pieces ie by "Back Engineering" never gives you the original story, but instead can only give you another Story different from the original.

[edit on 10-7-2009 by The Matrix Traveller]

Blind? Now that is presumptuous on your part. Science (NOVA) proved life did not exist before 12,000 years ago. History has proved God (out side of the Bible). And archeology has proved the Bible Correct over and over.

Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.

Brothers, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast before him.

To really be a scientist these days, one must throw away the garbage being preached in colleges and schools, if they want the truth. I am a student of Geology that is my major, I am a sophmore working on a doctorate and also a Christian as well.

In this place in existence we have yet to experience the likes of natural phenemenon such as a super eruption. If a super eruption were to occur at the same time as other volcanic systems are waking up. Then there would most likely be an event of superfast plate tectonics.

Furthermore, there would be great storms that would be capable of droping miles of ice at the poles very quickly.

The earth is getting bigger, I see meteorites burn out in the atmosphere all the time and all of that is added the the mass of the earth.

Subduction and plate tectonics does not mean an old earth at all; just because we are in a calm state here on earth presently, does not mean that is the way it always moves.

Then we get to the subject of space and time and why there appears to be so much of it; well one must never forget that spacetime can be compressed, dialated, folded, unfolded, and even looped. This literally means that age dates cannot be determined because spacetime is maleable.

As far as radioactive dating is concerned, that is just a bunch of stupid guys using radioactive contamination as a measuring stick. They are using some of the most unstable, and most reactive elements to measure time....

Just wait till I finish College I will drop a more acurate mathmatical scale describing the properties of Earth and cosmos. Until then you can argue about it, but when I drop this there will be no arguing.

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by makinho21

 

the only thing i'm going to explain to you.the undeniable fact that
by posting this, your still trying to convince yourself. so good luck w/ that.



[edit on 7-7-2009 by randyvs]

randy, OT likes the way you think....

btw, all these woodwork de-bunkers ignore... www.abovetopsecret.com...



wonder why?

OT sleepy....good night....maybe some of these "smart guys" ull stop by, huh?

Originally posted by Angel Oneguff, lots of it.

I am a Geologist and an Atheist and respectfully call your post bunkum.
There is a reason why religion and science should be non-overlapping majisteria (thankyou S.J. Gould) and you have helped reaffirm that for me.