honestly to get the best image you would have to get a good telescope and try film what you see there. they are superior to all consumer video cams in
the focus department. thats what i'd be trying. have you spotted it since?
I believe you now understand those pictures are nothing except out of focus light sources being filmed by digital cameras & you just want to keep the
thread going.
If you are truly interested in the topic of UFO's, there is some absorbing reading on this site.
You should go & do some of that reading. You will learn a lot.
If you have paid attention while reading this thread,
you must have noticed that, besides what I have proposed,
no one has yet identified the light sources in these videos?
No one has yet provided an alternative reasonable explanation
for these lights?
Meanwhile, these light sources are the actual subject of this thread.
There are clearly illuminated objects visible in the sky in these videos.
So what are they?
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'Lens-effect' does not explain why there are lights up in the sky?
This proposition however, does admit the existence of the lights
in the footage, as there can NOT be 'lens-effect' or similar,
without a light source.
It doesn't explain the vibrant morphing colors shapes and textures
of the lights.
It doesn't explain their movement.
It doesn't explain why they appear sometimes hovering
and sometimes stationary.
I have offered several observations and added
additional supporting footage.
No one has so far proposed a solid argument,
a reasonable question or insight to what we have here.
Someone proposed it could be Venus,
but never provided the starmaps to prove the point?
Why?
There is a Moon in the footage and we know the time when it is filmed.
It shouldn't be too difficult to show that it is Venus if that is what one truly believes?
Or, if one would want to end this discussion?
Obviously, planets do not display most of the characteristics
of the objects in this footage.
Therefore it would simply all be just a waste of time.
That's why starmaps haven't been posted.
Now, why would anyone propose something that
can not be reasonably argued?
Why propose something and then abandon the discussion
without having provided any reasonable support?
It hardly makes sense.
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Regarding the footage;
No one has yet argued that these morphing vibrant
and moving objects in the sky are planets.
Also, the context in which the footage has been recorded can not be ignored.
Nor can anyone deny that there are testimonies here
made by real people in these videos.
Why do people see these lights with their own naked eyes?
'Lens-effect' does not explain this in anyway?
Nor does it explain the behavior of the objects.
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The truth is that someone has yet to 'debunk' what is seen
on these videotapes.
Reducing the issue at hand, to a camera technical matter
is not only a huge insult to the open minded reader and observer.
It rather devaluates the validity and importance
of any of the statements made by the critics so far.
As I said earlier,
What we see in this footage are unidentified flying objects.
As it stands:
We have 11 unexplained videos from Costa Rica, one from Ukraine,
one from Massachusetts, another 4 from the Catskills mountains.
Additionally a news item on fox news and one on Russian TV.
Not that you're going to pay any attention but...
Costa Rica. January 4, 2009. Using Stellarium
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The amount of videotapes and witness
accounts is growing daily.
You can debunk a video, or a testimony.
You can't really debunk all videos and all testimonies.
The UFO phenomenon can no longer be 'debunked'.
It can only be denied.
Often by means of bully tactics.
I'm sure many have noticed how the
internet is mysteriously being flooded with
self proclaimed flip-flopping 'believers'.
It is most evident on public sites like youtube.
They may start out with some cliche 'debunker'
responses, and if that doesn't do you in,
they may even insinuate, they are longtime believers.
Again they'll flip-flop, and attempt to aggressively
'debunk' any footage or opinion.
Without providing a single reasonable argument to
the actual ongoing discussion.
Spamming the boards and conversations
with off topic drivel.
If they can get away with that.
Otherwise, they simply have to ignore you.
As appears to be the case here on ATS.
I think it is fair to conclude now,
after 7 days,
that this thread all by itself,
adds supporting context to the relevance
of the videos shown here,
and the issues that are being discussed/ignored.