Christianity is finished in the UK "Well thank god for that!"

reply to post by DASFEX

any militant athesist with issues likek you and your embellished bibliobigotry spits out in total ignorance and denial of the truth

If you had read this thread, you would know that I'm not an atheist, but it seems you prefer to just jump in with atheobigotry Nor am I ignorant of christianity: I was raised christian until I requested my parents stop involving me in it, but that didn't get me out of christian school until I was 11. I've read the new testament, parts more than once, but I confess the old got boring less than 1/2 way through. Still, I've allowed missionaries to pitch to me & studied a bit of history, so I feel confident that I've got the gist.
Nor am I denying any "truth": I am stating my opinion is in opposition to the opinions espoused in the bible, which many practicing christians adhere to.

You think we're abusing our kids? Call CPS or get off the yellow accusation if you don't have the guts to report such an egregious act knowing it is happening makes you just as guilty being complicit in your intimate knowledge of such a crime in our homes.

I've read this argument from you elsewhere: as ridiculous then as now. Please explain what would be the point of reporting someone for damaging childrens minds when the people to whom I might report are themselves victims of the same brainwashing to one extent or another? Whether they are simply conditioned to accept society as is, or whether they believe some religion is "the truth", it would be pointless. Most nominal christians or unbelievers think religion is just harmless stories, whilst believers have a vested interest.
But its not harmless. The Abrahamic religions are full of patriarchal hierarchy, sexism & often misogyny & repression of natural sexuality. Slowly but surely, people are waking up to such pernicious influence & voting with their feet. Sadly the religious still get@ our kids.

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Its [saying religion damages kids] about the most personal ad-hom attack I see neo-atheist's make but like fox holes, you never do a thing about it, you won't go there

Well if that is "about the most personal ad-hom attack" you see, you need to get out more. Had that been my intention, it would have been a lot more personal & the "attack" would have been very offensive & stingingly witty. As it is, I merely lumped you in with the religious & stated religion is warped & damaging, especially to kids. Rather mild...
Now, I'm not sure how I'm supposed to be like a fox hole (WTF?), but in fact I do do something about it. I present kids (mine & of family, friends & acquaintances) with alternative ideas to consider, either casually or, each summer @ spiritual gatherings, more formally.

Yeah, I'm calling your bluff on such a outrageous and offensive allegation.

Something else I do is argue my position with adults, but when I run into a mouth frothing zealot, there's little point & so I bait them gently in the knowledge that their overreacting tirade will show their true colours for anyone with eyes to see. As you have done.
I thank you sir...

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The fact this subject is about the blood from a menstruating woman conventional wisdom and half a wit would have us assume it is dirty because there is blood on it.

Thank you for illustrating my point. Where does the "conventional wisdom" that menstrual blood makes something dirty come from? I have already demonstrated that it cannot be considered dirt simply by its existance, or logically, we would have to assume that anything with the potential to become a health hazard must also be considered dirt, such as dead animal flesh.
Menstrual blood cannot be compared to sh!t either, because sh!t is a health hazard the moment it comes out, whereas menstrual blood is an innocuous substance (unless the woman has AIDS or Hep, which is an entirely different subject) & only becomes "filth" if left lying around to rot.
The fact you say it should be obvious that something is so when logic dictates it is not so, shows that your conditioning is so ingrained that you are not even aware of it. This is exactly my problem with religion. That right there is how it damages kids, by getting them to accept conventional attitudes without question.

Originally posted by moocowmanMr Richardson said that the Church had lost more than one in ten of its regular worshippers between 1996 and 2006, with a fall from more than one million to 880,000. “At this rate it is hard to see the church surviving for more than 30 years though few of its leaders are prepared to face that possibility.”

Hmm... That could be the problem. People are trying so hard to take over Christianity as a whole. Didn't it occur to them that the worshippers belong to god, and that they are not the church's worshippers?

As for the original poster's comments -- I hope when he used the phrase "Well, thank God for that!" that he wasn't being desciminitive. Even though I am a Christian who doesn't always practice my religious obligations, I am a Christian who believes in the purity of European and Roman based theology.

reply to post by DASFEX

So quit using your twisted interpretation so desperate to win an argument so bad you have to make a mountain out of a mole hill
Talk about splitting hairs

So quit defending a logical inconsistency with your misogynistic interpretation so desperate to win an argument so bad you ignore the elephant on the table right in front of you
Talk about none blinder than those that will not see
(Excuse the poor grammer - parody & all that.)

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I am surprised you didn't know that there were many Ancient tribal taboos including coming in contact with a menstruating women

I'm surprised that anyone would think that ancient tribal taboos have any relevance to a modern society except as historical curiosity. Still, perhaps I shouldn't be, after all, religion is a bunch of ancient tribal taboos being foisted upon a society that has long outlived whatever usefulness they may once have had, but apparently that doesn't stop people wanting to carry on with them.

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As for the original poster's comments -- I hope when he used the phrase "Well, thank God for that!" that he wasn't being desciminitive.

How in the hell would that be discriminating against anyone ?
Or perhaps you imply that I may be discriminating against an invisible man in the sky ?

I'll give you a clue -- S-r-asm

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Good, now it is time for the scientologists or the Jews to insert themselves in the economy, oops the Muslims have beat them to it, good luck learning Arabic.
Naw, religion should not be a dominating influence in politics.

As True Christians ( Protestant), Protestors against the rule of the Church of Rome, we should also Protest against the Mohemmedan Influence trying to overtake our Country with equal force. Islam changes forceably sound Constitution and Laws that have governed our Country for quite a few Centuries, some Laws were put into place by people in high places including Primarily Royalty ( Kings & Queens ).

Personally I think King Richard III ( Richard the Lionheart) had the right approach to the Moor ( Islam) problem, his Primary Target was in fact Jerusalem but became embroiled in many other side issues including dealing with his Brother John who ursurped the Throne of England in his absence and brought Oppression to the English people.( Thank GOD for Sir Robert of Locksley).

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As True Christians ( Protestant), Protestors against the rule of the Church of Rome, we should also Protest against the Mohemmedan Influence trying to overtake our Country with equal force. Islam changes forceably sound Constitution and Laws that have governed our Country for quite a few Centuries, some Laws were put into place by people in high places including Primarily Royalty ( Kings & Queens ).

IT would appear that the bulk of British law is now derived from the EU, so regardless of how many muslims live in the UK it will be European law that prevails. Unles of course the British sheeple wake up and dump the EU.

Nevertheless, with the implosion of xtianity we will be taking one step closer to an age of reason, let's not get all worked up about the Islamics trying to force their will upon us.

The armed forces are doing a fine job over seas killing the people that would make us bow to their gods laws, so obviously if these people start it in the UK they will get killed as well.

Hm, they're already doing this though !? Strange , why aren't the people that would force their isalmic gods laws upon us being killed here ?

I really don't know, so obviously I don't know who's being killed on my behalf in Afghanistan. And who's idea it was for troops to go into Afghanistan is beyond me.

Surely the sensible thing for our military to do, would be to kill all the potential terrorists in the UK then stop anymore coming back into the country ?

Obviously I'm being very cynical here, but what the hell is going on ?

I am at the moment of a mind, that the tales of Uk being subject to Sharia law is nothing but BS fear mongering.
The gullible brights will hear these stories then not concern themselves as to why their troops are in Afghanistan.

"Oh, they must be over there killing those people who want us to have Sharia Law. well that's OK then pass me another beer"

British people need to wake up and dump "ALL" silly religious beliefs, their governments will have one less excuse to hide behind, before killing our children in Dick Cheney's game of Monopoly

Originally posted by Bunken Drum
You think we're abusing our kids? Call CPS or get off the yellow accusation if you don't have the guts to report such an egregious act knowing it is happening makes you just as guilty being complicit in your intimate knowledge of such a crime in our homes. - Dasfex

I've read this argument from you elsewhere: as ridiculous then as now. Please explain what would be the point of reporting someone for damaging childrens minds when the people to whom I might report are themselves victims of the same brainwashing to one extent or another?

What a cop out,, Well Gee I think the point would be the same as if I knew my Neighbor was molesting his 8 year old son.

I'd call the police regardless of whether he was molested as a child himself at that age. While YOU apparently figure he is not responsible for his actions as an adult and use that cop out suggesting he might be a victim of same.

SO WHAT!

It breaks the cycle of abuse and it is the right thing to do.
Still sound like a ridiculous argument now ?

If you think Christians are Committing acts of child abuse, what is the provocation for such a serious charge? Or do you just make this stuff up as you go?

Whether they are simply conditioned to accept society as is, or whether they believe some religion is "the truth", it would be pointless. Most nominal christians or unbelievers think religion is just harmless stories, whilst believers have a vested interest.

Everything you just told me is no worse than what they see on the average gay or atheist website with all the porn sex talk of breeders and who they are about to "out" next. All you have said is what they see here.

I survived it and I never heard any of those scary story's and ya know why?? Well We Christians are kinda fond of our kids and if we got read scripture to kids, they usually fall asleep so we tend to read those that are about things they won't be too overwhelmed with. Unlike those here that would have us drooling and impatient we just can't wait to tell them about their hell fire and nashing of teeth while watching their putrid rotting flesh falling off their bones. I assume it is a good line to use if you are a career bible basher such as madcow, but he has issues with Christians I am not qualified to address.

One thing I had heard I thought was a pretty cool idea was the moocowman's Daughter challenge on youtube. It was some short video using a montage of moo's greatest posts of anti Christianity and all the hundreds ranting about his "Child" being "forced" to worship the The king of king of kings and lord of lords. The challenge than asks to make a video parying for Moo's daughter that she meets as many christsians as they can get to cross her path and to witness to her at every opportunity.

See they think it is pretty slick how he throws a hissy fit about his "child" being forced to worship because he just can't stand the idea and the numerous disparaging posts about "xtians" and the many threads where he says the same damn things over and over, so they say OK, we exempt her from having to attend the various scary storys and sodium pentothal induced kidnappers of her maleable mind. But then what does he do? He crys segregation! He is the one that doesn't want her to be around them!

FINE! But don't blame them for discrimination they are more than willing to have her accepted and included. They just aint good enough for his daughter so whose discriminating. I just don't know what ATS has to do with his war on Christians. That stuff is his problem, not ours and none of our business. I do get a kick out of the time he invests in this vendetta, it is better he spins his wheels among us, rather than the school or perhaps a lawyer or ombudsman community advocate etc. You know things people do when they have REAL problems with their kids and schools all that, they don't waste time on us but with those that can effect change and results for his alleged "Child"

[edit on 9-7-2009 by DASFEX]

Originally posted by Bunken Drum
Thank you for illustrating my point. Where does the "conventional wisdom" that menstrual blood makes something dirty come from? I have already demonstrated that it cannot be considered dirt simply by its existance, or logically, we would have to assume that anything with the potential to become a health hazard must also be considered dirt, such as dead animal flesh.

Thank you for illustrating my point.

I didn't "illustrate" your point anymore than I proved it

Just because you have skid marks in your underwear doesn't make them a health hazard but it does make them dirty. Try using contextual comparisons. Dead animal flesh isn't dirty and when it rots and decays, it isn't the meat so much that makes it stink and start growing bacteria. it is the fecal matter of the maggots and bacteria that makes it dirty.

I see what you're trying to do but it isn't that complicated and I wouldn't buy the drama and phoney outrage anyway.

Menstrual blood cannot be compared to sh!t either, because sh!t is a health hazard the moment it comes out, whereas menstrual blood is an innocuous substance (unless the woman has AIDS or Hep, which is an entirely different subject) & only becomes "filth" if left lying around to rot.

Dirt does not have to be a health hazard to make something dirty anymore than blood has to be.

What you only do your laundry when it is so smelly and filthy it becomes a health hazard to touch it?

and your problem with religion is just that

YOUR PROBLEM

[edit on 9-7-2009 by DASFEX]

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One thing I had heard I thought was a pretty cool idea was the moocowman's Daughter challenge on youtube. It was some short video using a montage of moo's greatest posts of anti Christianity and all the hundreds ranting about his "Child" being "forced" to worship the The king of king of kings and lord of lords. The challenge than asks to make a video parying for Moo's daughter that she meets as many christsians as they can get to cross her path and to witness to her at every opportunity.

Dude, get a grip eh,

Why not take a little time to think deeply about the way your'e responding.

Think about it for a moment, if Jesus were real and was in your position what would he do ?

Would he wave his magic wand and turn me into a plankton, or would he smile and have a chat.

Don't you even consider the bent logic behind desperately wishing someone would meet jesus ?

There can only be 2 reasons why my child is not in communication with your jesus god, the creator of everything the omniscient/omnipresent source of all that there is or will be (allegedly).

1) Jesus chooses not to make itself known to my child , a god needs no introduction or help from anyone else my friend.

2) Jesus the "god" is imaginary.

Think about it for just a minute why don't you? Take a little time out from hating me, because I challenge your belief.

Ask yourself a very important question and give yourself a long time to reflect and find the answer.

How is it possible for god not to get what god wants ?
Also -

If god is the creator of all that there is how is it possible for god to be in want of anything ?



Two very simple questions my good friend take some time to think about it, why not try it without anyone's help , you may find it useful.


Oh and by the way, I really don't need to scour the internet for Bible verses there are bibles in my home, yes surprisingly this demon has acquired the ability to read, unlike many people I meet at churches.






[edit on 9-7-2009 by moocowman]

Originally posted by Bunken Drum

Talk about splitting hairs

So quit defending a logical inconsistency with your misogynistic interpretation so desperate to win an argument so bad you ignore the elephant on the table right in front of you
Talk about none blinder than those that will not see
(Excuse the poor grammer - parody & all that.)

what logical inconsistency? what elephant? I ask around, no one else sees one? what mysoginistic interpretation are you talking about.

Got Quotes? Got examples? Got Proof?

Got Milk?

Originally posted by moocowman

Don't you even consider the bent logic behind desperately wishing someone would meet jesus ?

Ha ha With the kharmic receivership I see you deserving of HA HA YOU are BEGGING This to happen I mean BEGGING!

There can only be 2 reasons why my child is not in communication with your jesus god, the creator of everything the omniscient/omnipresent source of all that there is or will be (allegedly).

Who says she isn't already behind your back.
What you think she is going to tell you ? ha ha ha

I already told you I thinkk as many other s do that this entire obsession with you is BALONEY

Think about it for just a minute why don't you? Take a little time out from hating me, because I challenge your belief.

I don't hate you madcow, I feel sorry for you. Besides that,,
You ain't that damn important.

Ask yourself a very important question and give yourself a long time to reflect and find the answer.
How is it possible for god not to get what god wants ?

when we don't want him. He doesn't force himself on anyone.

We do that. Its like the why did a loving God create evil?

This assumes evil doesn't have a valuable purpose.

It does and you fill the position well but I think what you're doing as a parent is so petty and childish it wouldn't surprise me she seeks the lord in her pvt time. Initially just to spite her overbearing bigoted father and it would be poetic justice.

Then,, after that God only knows.









[edit on 9-7-2009 by DASFEX]

Originally posted by Bunken Drum
Something else I do is argue my position with adults, but when I run into a mouth frothing zealot, there's little point & so I bait them gently in the knowledge that their overreacting tirade will show their true colours for anyone with eyes to see. As you have done.
I thank you sir...

Don't flatter yourself so chum,, you don't have the capacity to stay at cause and i have never been at effect because of anything you said, regardless of how clever you think you are..

You're simply not that good at it.

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Originally posted by moocowman

Don't you even consider the bent logic behind desperately wishing someone would meet jesus ?

Ha ha With the kharmic receivership I see you deserving of HA HA YOU are BEGGING This to happen I mean BEGGING!

What on earth ? You're starting to bable now mate you probably don't realize it but that doesn't actually mean anything to anyone but you.

kharmic receivership ? You must be desperate to resort to eastern philosophy to somehow defend your christian religion.




There can only be 2 reasons why my child is not in communication with your jesus god, the creator of everything the omniscient/omnipresent source of all that there is or will be (allegedly).

Who says she isn't already behind your back. What you think she is going to tell you ? ha ha ha

Do actually think before you type ? So my child is meeting jesus behind my back ?
This isn't some sordid relationship or taking up smoking wer're talking about here, I think I'd notice if one of my kids suddenly starts raising the dead or rolling around on the floor yabbering like a loony.

I already told you I thinkk as many other s do that this entire obsession with you is BALONEY

Care to name some others ? Do you even consider the definition of obsession before you accuse someone else of being obsessed?




Think about it for just a minute why don't you? Take a little time out from hating me, because I challenge your belief.

I don't hate you madcow, I feel sorry for you. Besides that,, You ain't that damn important.

Not according to your god, my good friend.


Ask yourself a very important question and give yourself a long time to reflect and find the answer.
How is it possible for god not to get what god wants ?

when we don't want him. He doesn't force himself on anyone.

No, that doesn't answer how is it possible for god not to get what god wants ?
Have anther go, I do appreciate that it may be a very hard question for you. You married by the way ?

We do that. Its like the why did a loving God create evil? This assumes evil doesn't have a valuable purpose.

Well I'm impressed that you acknowledge that, for evil to exist it would have to created by your god, unless we are to preclude the omnipresence of your god.

reply to post by DASFEX

if I knew my Neighbor was molesting his 8 year old son.
I'd call the police regardless of whether he was molested as a child himself at that age. While YOU apparently figure he is not responsible for his actions as an adult and use that cop out suggesting he might be a victim of same.

Ah, ignoring what was said & repeating the same argument in a different form: the mark of a true zealot. Your analogy does not stand. It would only be comparable if you knew that the police considered sexual abuse harmless, as most consider religion.
You go on to impute an attitude to me from nowhere. Where have I said anything to indicate adults are not responsible for their actions? Quite the opposite: what got you all riled up was my stating quite clearly that I blame christians for the brainwashing of kids & the harm it does them.

If you think Christians are Committing acts of child abuse, what is the provocation for such a serious charge?

I have already told you, the "provocation" is the destructive attitudes that the bible espouses; ie patriarchal hierarchy, sexism & misogyny & repression of natural sexuality. I forgot to add unquestioning credulity, as a byproduct of any religion.

no worse than what they see on the average gay or atheist website with all the porn sex talk

Good point. We have laws against porn being supplied to kids for a reason: they are impressionable. If we had the same law against impressing religion on kids, I'd still consider religion retarding, but it'd be a free choice of consenting adults. My partner is a teacher. She tells me net nanny ware blocks atheist, anarchist, sexual, even feminist content. Thats in the UK! I dread to think what its like in the USA, with so many christian fundamentalists.

I survived it

So you did, but this thread shows your faculty of reason got perverted, as I will continue to demonstrate below.

How much money does it take to run a church?

Don't they get tax breaks on everything from landlord rent to the donations given to them?

What do they have to pay for to run a church building?

Money for the land rent or land purchase?

Money to build the church building and keep it in decent condition and the gardening?

Water bills for bathroom facilities and drinking water?

What am I missing here?

reply to post by DASFEX

Just because you have skid marks in your underwear doesn't make them a health hazard

Well, I'm not an MD but I'm certain that if asked most'd say skid marks are a health hazard; its the E-coli etc. @the very least sliddies often cause a condition known as itchyringitis, which leads to a transfer of E-coli onto the hands & thus the spinache etc.

Dead animal flesh isn't dirty and when it rots and decays, it isn't the meat so much that makes it stink and start growing bacteria. it is the fecal matter of the maggots and bacteria that makes it dirty.

I'm not going to debate biology with you, since @some point you would become "so desperate to win an argument so bad" that you would probably deny science. I'll stick to logic.
If it is the "fecal matter of the maggots and bacteria that makes [dead flesh] dirty" then so too it is the same that makes the animal tissue known as 'menstrual blood' dirty & since that only happens when its left lying around to go rotten, the blood, just like the "meat" cannot be considered dirty per se. As I stated in the beginning.
What is the origin of our aversion to dirt? 'Cleanliness is next to godliness' (except for St Simeon et al. ROFL!)? Except humans had been around a long time before christianity. It is obvious that it stems from experience that dirt is a health hazard. Whereas, as Stormdancer pointed out, the taboo against menstruating women is simply an ancient custom repeated by the bible.

Leviticus 15
(22) Whoever touches anything she sits on must wash his clothes and bathe with water, and he will be unclean till evening. (23) Whether it is the bed or anything she was sitting on, when anyone touches it, he will be unclean till evening.

So, even after washing, he will be mystically unclean. How does a woman stand up to that baseless discrimination?