Ron Paul: Obama's 'goal' is economic collapse

reply to post by Lennonist



For now, Ron Paul is too high profile. The only way to silence such a man is with deadly force. Doing that would be the worst option, seeing as nobody would believe another suicide, plane crash, or anything else. people would assume the government was responsible.

Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by earlywatcher

 

Because it will be easier for Americans to accept the Dictatorial Socialist state the PTB have in mind when most Americans won't have a job, and will see themselves not being able to feed their families.

When a person sees no hope, he/she will accept anything, and everything that person is told will "solve everything".

You see, there are millions of Americans armed, and even the Obama administration knows they cannot disarm all Americans just by implementing more draconian laws to grab our guns, because most Armed Americans won't stand for this.

So the easiest way is to hit our wallets. Destory the economy, make sure most Americans, or at least many of us don't have a job, and nowhere to turn to except to accept the Dictatorial Socialist regime TPTB have in mind.


President Obama got in office by lying, and making many young Americans believe that his "change" would be good for them. President Obama will continue making more promises and he, as well as his administration will claim that by nationalizing the Republic even more will make certain that families get food everyday, and he will promise other things which at the end he won't keep any, or most of his promises.

This has been done dozens of times in the past, and every time the people accepted the "change" believing it was for good, it just turned the countries into dictatorships.



[edit on 24-6-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

I see what you mean. an armed population is definitely harder to overpower but if you do it from the inside, people wanting to take care of their families, basic survival, then they will accept anything.

we've made so many little steps into this mess that i guess these latest big steps don't seem like much...until it's too late.

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
reply to post by Lennonist

 

When the economic recovers next year, with all the conservatives complaing the recovery the result of "a cycle, not a stimulus" what will Ron Pauls excuse be? I get the feeling he will be using the same alarmist rhetoric,nothing surprising really.

What do you see that indicates an economic recovery is on the way?

I say the economy will not recover next year with the current 9.4% unemployment and 4.5% long-term unemployment. Every indication is that both figures are rising and will continue to do so. This despite any teleprompter pep talk from our media happy president. We are just entering the critical "high summer season" for every resort town in the U.S. Cut backs due to belt tightening and gas prices will cause layoffs in those resort areas the likes never seen before. College and high school students as well as teachers and others that work second jobs during the summers to make ends meet will be severely impacted. The overall number of jobs is now down 4.3% or roughly 6 million jobs. Those jobs are not coming back and tell me what sector(s) is/are expanding to fill that void? Windmills? Me thinks not.

I can only imagine how bad things would be if president Obama was not "creating and saving jobs". Do you think he is?

Will President Obama meet his goal of creating or saving 600,000 jobs in 100 days?

I predict the jobs lost in the US resorts this summer alone will more than double anything the president will create in his next 100 days. These will not be job losses for one season, these will be businesses permanently lost. Increasing permanent burdens on social welfare programs. More deficit spending. Who will pay for any jobs president Obama "creates"? Our already diminished and over taxed work force? That some perceive we are not in economic freefall is only due to the cushioning effect of the remaining savings and equity that has yet to be drained from us. But that cushion is finite and can’t grow due to interest rates.

Year to year inflation was at 3.85% for 2008. As high as that was I'd sign up for 4% for this year in a heartbeat but I doubt that even 5% inflation for this year is in the cards. Let's cram in a government run health care system before the congress goes on summer break for the coupe de grace. I predict conservatives and liberals alike will be using Paul's alarmist rhetoric by the fall. Who then will have the strength and financial capability to stand up to the naked Marxists running our government?

reply to post by Hemisphere


i've never been able to figure out how the jobs created/saved number is calculated. do you know? what i mean is, are jobs lost subtracted from jobs created/saved to come up with a net number? start with 100 jobs. 40 chrysler dealers laid off so 60 jobs remain. new bridge being built by stimulus bill adding 25 jobs and 25 more people won't be laid off (50 total bridge building jobs) so add that to 60 remaining from original, and you have 110, so net 10 jobs were created/saved. OR do we just forget about the 40 who lost their jobs and say that the 50 bridge building jobs are 50 jobs created/saved?

i hope you or someone can explain this to me.

United we stand, divided we fall....

Don't follow Ron's talks but I would hope he would be spending equal time promoting the birth certificate issue. The goal of economic collapse is pretty obvious and not much of a contribution from him.

Originally posted by earlywatcher
reply to post by Hemisphere

 

i've never been able to figure out how the jobs created/saved number is calculated. do you know? what i mean is, are jobs lost subtracted from jobs created/saved to come up with a net number? start with 100 jobs. 40 chrysler dealers laid off so 60 jobs remain. new bridge being built by stimulus bill adding 25 jobs and 25 more people won't be laid off (50 total bridge building jobs) so add that to 60 remaining from original, and you have 110, so net 10 jobs were created/saved. OR do we just forget about the 40 who lost their jobs and say that the 50 bridge building jobs are 50 jobs created/saved?

i hope you or someone can explain this to me.

Very coy earlywatcher! Saves come in baseball box scores not in unemployment statistics. But you knew that as we all do. There is no logic to be found here. Yes, I'm sure Robert Gibbs can read us the formula the administration uses to calculate this but in essence the created/saved deal is simply socialist double-talk. I would imagine that similar party-line double-talk was the norm as the Soviet Union was in decline. People in the media that have to report this statistical jobs nonsense do so without question or they too will be among the unemployed. And so the lost jobs you mentioned in your question are never mentioned. Sorry I don't have the straight answer to your question but I don't believe there is one.

Our president has credibility equal to that of Professor Irwin Corey. The difference being the president doesn't make me laugh with his inane ramblings. If there is a job "saved" by bailout or government intervention it essentially makes all of us employers and has all of us paying the wages for the "saved" job. Created government jobs have the same effect. We all pay!

The "shovel ready" jobs that are mentioned are a farse too. This is not the 30's and thousands of workers with picks and shovels will not be rebuilding the nations highways and bridges. Manual labor in these projects has been minimized by mechanization. Consider too that the jobs created by Roosevelt never got us out of the depression, WWII did. That is perhaps the saddest reality in American history. Contractors in the same realm as a Halliburton will be getting the stimulus funds allocated for these "shovel ready" projects. It's just another front for stealing the future wealth of this nation. We might have a new administration but the same shenanigans have and will continue. "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss."

reply to post by Southern Guardian


i can't believe how blind some people are. no wonder the south gets a bad name.
sorry to be so flip,but RP has the same opinions as peter schiff,one of the leading economists in the world. but as usual,you know better.

I had to chuckle to myself when first I watched this video and speech by the British Minister Daniel Hannan.

www.youtube.com...

I bring this video up because it is quite obvious that this is the direction someone wants to take the US Economy. I would venture to state that the same people who have bankrupted England are working to bankrupt the USA and for the exact same reasons.

Notice the portion of this video where Daniel Hannan speaks of creating so many public sector jobs ..when in fact so many more private sector jobs have gone down the crapper than public sector jobs can keep the public employed.
Sound familiar. Keep an eye on this one as it transpires.

This is a downward spiral of which Minister Daniel Hannan is speaking. It is going to happen here and people are begining to sense this...all the political talk is just that ..political talk.

Lots of people in the UK are out of work. It is getting so bad that even a large number of pubs are closing down. Pubs over a hundred years olde are shutting down....going out of buisness.

Orangetom





[edit on 24-6-2009 by orangetom1999]

How can 600,000 jobs be saved when there have been a trend of 500,000 plus jobs being lost EVERY MONTH.

As some other members were saying, this is nothing more than double-talk trying to lure people into a state of complacecy making them believe "600,000 jobs will be saved" when in fact we have been losing jobs at a rate of 500,000 + a month.

[edit on 24-6-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
So please fill me in here what im missing again. Are your saying his not the only one advocating national sales tax? Because thats not what I said at all. Clearly the man however is on the frontline advocating it.

Sure it is, because your a Pauler buddy. My last post was not concerning the opinions of Paulers over the replacement of national sales tax because Iv heard it time and time again. I was discussing howmuch of an untested and stupid idea it was.

He isn't advocating it, he said it could replace the income tax. It isn't on his platform at all. This is from his presidential platform, and there is nothing there on his views on taxation other than lowering taxes and getting rid of the IRS.

Taxes and Budget issues: Paul pledges to immediately work to phase out the Internal Revenue Service and eliminate the federal income tax and most cabinet departments. Supports lowering taxes to create jobs and allow taxpayers to make decisions for themselves. Believes the Federal Reserve fosters runaway debt by increasing the money supply and supports its elimination. Has expressed concern that the American economy is in the hands of foreign governments because their central banks finance America’s spending. He feels that we need to stop private banks, wasteful agencies and lobbyists, corporations on welfare, and governments from collecting foreign aid to dictate the size of our budget.

And I do agree, a national sales tax is a stupid idea.

Hows that? Do you know? Have you seen this system in place? This system ends the income tax, replaces it with an increase by 30% on the goods and services industry, which will inevitably drive many americans (including myself) north and south to take regular trips into Canada and Mexico for their purchase to escape this tax system on goods and services loosing out for american businesses. Nobody has taken this into account. Further more the system will cause a headache for house and viechle buyers, the nature of the goods being purchase. As much as not having to pay income tax seems "nice", that house deposite that has just gone $10,000 more will hold back folks for saving. By the least it wont make a difference in comparison to income tax. Folks here cite the corporate taxes, the weekly tax costs of businsses, but what folks again seem to neglect is that these taxes are added into the prices of the goods and services in anycase. That cost will just be replaced by pay increases for employees.

You have not seen system place, none of the Paulers have, all I hear is talk, as usual.

I do not know for sure how much revenue it would rake in. But you can imagine the kinds of loot it would generate. Probably more than the 2.5 or so trillion dollars the income tax brings in now.

Yes and you got my analysis on the result of that. The only governments that will be gaining from this are the Mexican and Canadian governments, in addition the money gained from not having to pay income taxes by employees will just get sucked into the increase in prices for products and services so in reality nobody gains anything. Its another stupid pyramid scheme type of a system.
[edit on 24-6-2009 by Southern Guardian]

And how will the Americans who don't live near the border avoid this tax in their day to day purchases? Let alone the fact that most people wouldn't want the trouble of crossing a border everytime they get groceries and other day to day things like gas?

reply to post by earlywatcher


Yes I too have been trying to figure out why the elite are destroying their cushy life styles. The reason I've come up with is that the true shadow government wants to dwindle down a lot of the super rich elite. It's a redistribution of power. They want less players and more control.

Also I question whether the shadow government even truly cares about money.
If they control all the resources, advanced technologies, and weapons, money is the last thing they would care about. The money is used to control us.

he does he really does. in my city they are adding security cameras every where a and repainting stuff like road paint white zones and white lines and such. they just painted those 2 years ago. and they r repainting the roads that r not even cracked r still new..... honestly man. also i no a lot of cops. they r getting random bonuses. and they just spent a lot on building these fema camps and how much do U think Big brother costs? all that tech and stuff. and at my high school they just put MORE cameras they HAD us on camera 24\7 on 2 angles now they have small hidden ones and we r on 4 angles now. really 4 angles? all those cameras cost A LOT and and the labor and wiring and extra screens to c wat the new cameras catch u on. we HAD 7 or so screens on the security room. now it looks like the matrix 2 then neo sees the articetch like 1 wall full of screens and another half wall of screens. a good 17 screens. all screens where AL LEAST 150. plus electricity and every thing. and the same thing is going on every where. they r burning all of the money we got saved and out budget.

reply to post by Vinveezy


what on earth do they expect to SEE? i didn't realize it had gotten so bad in the schools. i can't imagine what that's all about. same is happening in many cities. all sorts of cameras at stoplights and on buildings. what do they expect to see? the economic collapse in slow motion? that was supposed to be a joke.

you have a really good point. this surveillance equipment costs plenty, and the money to keep it running costs, so why is is much being spent. so many weird things are happening.

Originally posted by Teeky
reply to post by earlywatcher

 

Yes I too have been trying to figure out why the elite are destroying their cushy life styles. The reason I've come up with is that the true shadow government wants to dwindle down a lot of the super rich elite. It's a redistribution of power. They want less players and more control.

Also I question whether the shadow government even truly cares about money.
If they control all the resources, advanced technologies, and weapons, money is the last thing they would care about. The money is used to control us.

Bingo!!! I think you are dead on there. They don't care about money, we care about money because we have to. Our life styles dictate we make money and not food, clothing, shelter, etc. The controllers have used the industrial revolution against us from the start but we are only now becoming aware. Why is that? I'm thinking that leisure time coupled with the availability of information along with cross polination of theories like we do here on ATS has been the breakthrough point.

Even with the current awakening to our plight we might be beyond challenging the controllers and changing course. This current socialist push that further drains our pseudo-independent resources (money, time, strength) is taking a toll. How will we be able to resist when as you say "they control all the resources"?

In light of the new election and current economic woes, I thought this might be an interesting thread to revisit.