Timewave Zero - Countdown to Transition

reply to post by Valeri


I thought the same thing after July 23rd. I myself was making a big deal of that date. But, in retrospect, it was a really nothing day. It only looked huge when you zoom in. We should start paying more attention to the big dips from when we're looking at the graph as a whole, and the build up to those points.

reply to post by John Matrix


Hold on a second, in regards to your thoughts on the relationship between time wave zero and scriptures, To my knowledge the I Ching was written around 1120-221 B.C.E. in Asia and Genesis was written around 1445 B.C. in the Middle east... I assumed they have nothing to do with each other especially not in relation to the time wave, can you expand on this?

Also, I believe if you are to truly understand Novelty Theory and the Time Wave or at least understand it a little more then try and look at it from the perspective of Terrance McKenna. I happen to know he did not just sit around doing maths and reading books, He had experiences.

reply to post by Fabic

to post by Valeri

and to post by octotom


What I've come to realize is that the Timewave represents everything - from the conscious timeline which is comprised of our total collective experience, group experience, individual experience - our awareness, our attention, intention, motives, reactions, desires, fears...everything human-centric combined also with the natural timeline which is comprised of all natural cycles on Earth, and to at least the boundaries of our solar system, perhaps beyond.

That's a lot of data, considering everything contributes to (and is affected by) the timewave in some way. The data more than likely appears to be random noise if looked at as a whole, however once averaged or condensed to a simpler form, it should form a thread of experience - something like a jagged line that maps the chaos and calm of reality and all levels and aspects of our experience of it.

The major shifts along the timewave must be directly caused by larger quantities of correlative events grouped within specific time windows. Although some peaks and troughs are known for specific events, it's much more complicated than saying this peak represents 9/11, this dip represents the upheaval in Iran and Michael Jackson's death. These shifts are there because of all events that occurred during that time, though some events have greater influence given how many people they affect and how much of the future they alter. These events of high importance make the list that stands the test of time. They make the news, are recorded in history, and are carried into the future via our collective memory.

July 22-23 was not a non-event. I can see how it might seem that way to the individual, however quite a large portion of the world's population during that time was locked in a synchronized awareness of one single event. That event was the total solar eclipse which was the most viewed eclipse ever in history, and was quite possibly the most viewed single celestial event ever. That indeed makes the cut for being included in major timewave events. Earlier it was mentioned by Fabic that East Africa as of July 23 is now online - that's a huge event that will most certainly affect global connectivity and the future of mankind, especially if we're all headed towards a 'collective mind' scenario.

I agree that the major shifts should be the portions that we're most concerned with, however it's all relevant given there is really no down time as history plays out, especially during these chaotic times we're living in. I included the close-up of the July 22-23 'Reign of Terror' dip because of the resonance of that point in the cycle, not because it was a sharp dip but that it was a time to watch. This resonance meant that the time was likely for some sort of 'reign of terror' theme, more so than at any other time. These resonances can be repeated perfectly or not at all (one example of perfect resonance was the Air France Flight 447 disaster - see the other thread), however many times history repeats somewhat similarly or not at all.

The timewave serves 2 purposes. The jagged line predicts periods of chaos and calm - not specific events. Resonances help predict what may occur at specific points in the future by identifying what is most likely to occur. Like gambling odds, the future plays out as some unseen hand(s) flip coins deciding which path we take. Perfect resonance means that all heads came up, so to speak. This means the future is not already decided, it can change. In fact with each passing moment tomorrow's events are in constant flux, like the spinning dials of the slot machine. This timewave program just helps our odds a little in knowing what will come up, and it should likewise help us know when a 'jackpot' will appear, or when not to play at all.

Below are a few visual aids to help explain what I'm talking about regarding events that help shape the timewave. These images below graph no real data, I just put them together to show how the graphing of multiple events can contribute to an output similar to that of the timewave.

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[edit on 29/7/09 by Evasius]

reply to post by Fabic


Interesting words. Thanks for that.


I think time is too complex to be quantified in conventional human terms.
It isn't as easy as time being a concept. It is almost more of a side-effect of matter existing in our dimensional reality. Without time, electrons wouldn't be able to travel around their nulceus. The universe wouldn't matter if time didn't exist as a frame of reference for everything from subatomic particles to galaxies rotating.

Ten or so years ago, I read a book called "Cosmic Voyage" by Courtney Brown, PhD. He became trained in Scientific Remote Viewing by one of the people that used to conduct SRV under government-funded programs like "Project Stargate". The government at the time was using SRV as a means of gathering intelligence from potential enemies like cold-war Russia. Anyway, this guy trained Courtney and Courtney found that most of the time his information was accurate. Apparently, this is exactly what the government discovered a generation ago. In the book, it is said that the overall accuracy of the gathered information had been estimated around 80 percent.

Courtney Brown was already into things like meditation and alternative medicine. But he decided to try using SRV as a means of communicating with alien civilizations, other dimensions, etc..

He ends up making contact with a dimensional reality superimposed over ours. They said they could see us, but we couldn't see them. But they were almost described as beings made of energy that lived in reality without solid matter (at least not solid matter as we think of it). I suggest reading the book to see all the details, but this brings us back to this idea of timewave zero potentially being a moment of dimensional transcendance for human beings. Courtney Brown's excerpts actually make this idea seem more credible, IMO. And it is also true that paranormal phenomenon could point to these levels of reality existing in layers superimposed over our reality. Again with paranormal phenomenon, they can see us, they can sometimes manipulate physical matter in our world, but we can't always see them. In fact we almost never do. Things like EVP and disembodied voices all point to this being true.

But here's an idea that really makes your head spin..

Maybe timewave zero represents both a "reboot" of the timewave while all beings already existing in this reality transcend to a higher plane of existence. Then, time in this world starts all over again and the cycle continues. This would make more sense to me just because.. If we transcend to a higher plane of existence, why would we need to? One possible explanation is that in order for this timeline to reset, we can't be here. Thus, we would be given a gift of transcendance.

And this also brings us back to the idea of the timewave being involved with or otherwise representing a divine form of intelligence (God).

-ChriS

I've enjoyed reading all the answers on my post. I just wanted to say that i don't believe that the world is going to end. I just wrote that a lot of people around the world really think this is going to happen, so that would explain the great dip on the graph.

It's just a theory. In my opinion something big is about to happen, but i don't know what.

reply to post by Canslli


welcome to the club "something big is coming..." eventually we are going to figure it out (hopefully before it happens) in the meantime TWZ is the best agenda to know the dates to be "aware of"

Originally posted by bonsaisert
reply to post by John Matrix

 

Hold on a second, in regards to your thoughts on the relationship between time wave zero and scriptures, To my knowledge the I Ching was written around 1120-221 B.C.E. in Asia and Genesis was written around 1445 B.C. in the Middle east... I assumed they have nothing to do with each other especially not in relation to the time wave, can you expand on this?

Also, I believe if you are to truly understand Novelty Theory and the Time Wave or at least understand it a little more then try and look at it from the perspective of Terrance McKenna. I happen to know he did not just sit around doing maths and reading books, He had experiences.

It does not matter when the I Ching was discovered or when the prophetic scriptures were scribed. The parallels are there today, regardless, as far as I am concerned.

I never said I understood Novelty theory, or that I was done looking into it from other's perspectives. I agree TM did not just sit around doing math and reading books, he obviously had experiences, like the rest of us.

I apologize for the little laughing face, but you come off a bit too attackish with your opinion.

IMHO of course.

[edit on 31/7/09 by John Matrix]

I have kept a close eye on the Timewave and think this is one of the jewels of ATS. S+F We are coming up to a resonance with the Napolonic era of history. I was wondering seeming France resonated as Iran with revolutionary behaviour in June if we may be seeing something linked to Iran in the next month.

August 15th to November 02 are the rough dates that the resonance would occur between concerning Napoleon. The next fall into Novelty would represent his time from gaining control of France until his defeat in Russia in 1813.

Originally posted by Persicoana
I have kept a close eye on the Timewave and think this is one of the jewels of ATS. S+F We are coming up to a resonance with the Napolonic era of history. I was wondering seeming France resonated as Iran with revolutionary behaviour in June if we may be seeing something linked to Iran in the next month.

August 15th to November 02 are the rough dates that the resonance would occur between concerning Napoleon. The next fall into Novelty would represent his time from gaining control of France until his defeat in Russia in 1813.

as far as i remember reading all the news coming from France, Indeed France resonates with old France much more so than any other country, even Iran was but a shade in comparison to what happened in France during June and July. Just take a look at what jaw-dropping unprecedented acts took place in France these past 1.3 months...good ex- workers planted bombs allover a huge plant so that if they don't get their wages by the end of July i think, they will blow up the whole industrial complex there and they were staying inside the plant.
That is just a very modest example of what happened and is happening there now.
Hundreds if not thousands of deliberate acts of setting buildings and precincts on fire, concealed riots and vandalism. A miniature reinactment of the french revolution if I ever saw one.

Ofcourse,there's always the possibility that the resonance isn't limited to jsut one country, it indeed might be France+many others,and a good expample of the others would be indeed Iran and Honduras.

I apologize for my bad English..sadly don't have anywhere to practise it except here.
peace

[edit on 8/1/2009 by Valeri]

reply to post by Valeri


Napoleonic era was known for rapid conquest similar to World War 2. It was the first time since the Roman Empire that most of Europe had been under the control of one man. So assuming the same patterns emerge it is likely to be a violent next few months if the resonance occurs in this day and age.

Current Issues that could brew are the Israeli/Iranian, North Korea, Kosovo/Serbia, China and India along with Pakistan could all be getting more restless as this resonance occurs.

Originally posted by Valeri
I apologize for my bad English..sadly don't have anywhere to practise it except here. peace

Your English is perfect by the way


Dates I would look out for:

August 12th = Resonates with Napoleons Italian Campaign. Someone might become extremely popular in politics.

August 16th = Resonates with the Egypt Campaign. Could involve also Turkey, Israel and Lebanon.

September 1st = Resonates with the Battle of Trafalgar and Prussian Invasion. Could be a maritime disaster or something related to Germany or Britain.

September 8th = Resonates with Invasion of Russia. Again could involve Russia or any of her former states such as Poland, Latvia, Estonia etc.

Early November = Resonates with Napoleons Exile. Possibly a fall of a great leader of a world power.

[edit on 1/8/2009 by Persicoana]

Originally posted by Persicoana
reply to post by Valeri

 

Napoleonic era was known for rapid conquest similar to World War 2. It was the first time since the Roman Empire that most of Europe had been under the control of one man. So assuming the same patterns emerge it is likely to be a violent next few months if the resonance occurs in this day and age.

Current Issues that could brew are the Israeli/Iranian, North Korea, Kosovo/Serbia, China and India along with Pakistan could all be getting more restless as this resonance occurs.

Originally posted by Valeri
I apologize for my bad English..sadly don't have anywhere to practise it except here. peace

Your English is perfect by the way

Dates I would look out for:

August 12th = Resonates with Napoleons Italian Campaign. Someone might become extremely popular in politics.

August 16th = Resonates with the Egypt Campaign. Could involve also Turkey, Israel and Lebanon.

September 1st = Resonates with the Battle of Trafalgar and Prussian Invasion. Could be a maritime disaster or something related to Germany or Britain.

September 8th = Resonates with Invasion of Russia. Again could involve Russia or any of her former states such as Poland, Latvia, Estonia etc.

Early November = Resonates with Napoleons Exile. Possibly a fall of a great leader of a world power.

[edit on 1/8/2009 by Persicoana]

Interesting.I wasn't quite aware that napoleons campaigns took place during the french revolution, which ended in 1799 and august 20-23 on our timeline.

Also,seeing as I live in Estonia(funny you should single it out with a few others) i will let you know if anything happens in this neck of the woods(although nothing has since 1991,and since I'm 20 myself,my enitre life really)
Although, for what it's worth ,august 20th is the independence day of Estonia,and Latvia is a few days later I think. that correlates with the lowest point on the timewave with august 20-23 in mind.

Also, a suggestion that maybe Ron Paul is the one who will get more popular this month,with his 'audit the fed' and all gaining steam.

P.S. I am very greatful for your evaluation of my English, I do try. Thank you very much.

It has been mentioned that perhaps the Timewave is in fact self-fulfilling. I would have to agree to some extent. The relationship between us and it is symbiotic - each one requires the other to exist and likewise allows the other to exist. Just as we project the Timewave with our awareness, hopes, fears, motivations, and beliefs, we collectively choose our path as a direct result of our experiences with the Timewave.

Of course the Timewave is far more complex than a mere code that predicts a point in the future where the prediction is eventually made real by the focusing of our collective fear around that point. Firstly, I believe the time window we'll be forced through in December of 2012 is there because we know it's there and expect it to be there. However we expect it to be there because it has always been there, and we've seen it on approach for a long time.

Putting this as clearly as I know how, we're on a train right now - time is the track, and the present is wherever we're seated on this train. We've made many stops, hit a few bumps, sped up, slowed down, gone around many corners, however soon we'll be arriving at Central Station. That's the place where all train-lines meet, where all tracks meet, and each train passes through and then continues on its journey, but only after this merger and transfer of passengers has taken place.

While riding on this train, we should not assume that the track ahead of us or behind us does not exist simply because we're not within the vicinity. We should also not assume the stops ahead have yet to materialize because we're not there yet. Central Station is there and waiting. The track has limited stops until we arrive, and each left and right turn in the track between here and there already exists. For example, we know that two miles ahead there is a really sharp turn we need to prepare for, or that when we reach a particular sign we need to hold on to our drink because there's a big freakin' bump coming up. We know this because we have a map.

What we do not know, however, is the essence of the journey. Will it be a good trip? Will the scenery be nice? Will we spend the time reading a good book, writing something, or will you spend it harassing other passengers? Will we make an early exit? Will we meet others getting on the train, or will we farewell others making prior stops? Most importantly, what will we do when we get to Central Station? Will we stay on the train, switch trains, or hang out at Central Station for awhile? The stop is The Stop, but as we all know, the journey can and will continue, but you have to be on a train.

As for this being a self-fulfilling idea, it is self-fulfilling in that we have a map with a list of stops, and we're spending the next portion of the journey deciding what we will do at Central Station. The Timewave is self-fulling only because we've stayed on this train, we know what's ahead, and we know we'll have to make some decisions that will determine our final destination. That's all. Central is not the end of the line.

Unfortunately, while on this train, we're being bombarded with advertising for things to do at Central Station, all of which want you the passenger to believe that this is indeed the end of the line, so you need to stop here, eat this, buy that, stay here and never leave. The originators of these ads do not want you to continue on your journey. Their very existence requires you to cut your journey short and alter your plans. They do this by harnessing your attention and changing your mind. But what you don't know is that once you step off that train and exit the platform, you will enter an entirely new realm - one in which there is no escape.

That's as simply as I can describe what I see happening without getting bogged down in discussion regarding global agendas and the Powers That Be, but the Timewave is real. It's pure and natural and exists for us and we for it. However, there is a good chance this code in time is being used against us by...whomever...to change our minds about what our purpose is at this approaching nexus point. Your attention is key and will be required when Dec. 21, 2012 rolls around. Which agenda you offer it to will decide where all roads lead beyond that date. Fearing the end of the world - even considering the possibility, gives those that require your fear the control they seek.

As I stated in the the opening post and the title of the thread, we face a transition, not an end. If the Timewave is self-fulfilling in any way, we need to seriously consider how we truly feel about zero date as opposed to what we're told to fear about it. We have the chance to bring forth the change we seek and to determine the path of the entire world by simply knowing it's not the end.

[edit on 2/8/09 by Evasius]

Yesterday I had an insight.
I'd like to share it here and see what you guys think of it.

I was hiking in the mountains and I intended to reach the highest point before sunset. When I got to the highest point I simply sat there and looked around. I saw fractals everywhere. I saw the mountains forming a wave quite similar to the timewave. I realized how complex everything around looked geometrically.

So then I started thinking what was exactly happening. And the thought that came was that "novelty" or maybe "consciousness" is like a marble. It was once released from a high altitude and it started bouncing when it hit the ground. Each time it bounced it lost altitude. Each "bounce" or "contact with the ground" is a "shock". We are getting to the point where the marble is almost done bouncing. Its bouncing so low we can already feel that it will stop soon. The shocks are happening faster.

Now comes the big question, when it stops bouncing, what will happen? I think we will have a moment of stillness in which we will have to come together to decide what to do with the marble. Throw it to the skies and let it bounce again? Or maybe just make it roll?

I feel that some people will rush to the ball and try to do whatever they want without listening to other people. Those are the "power hungry". We have to get to the ball first and protect it from being abused and finally come to a consensus of what to do with it.

Maybe the ball is so heavy that we need everyone together to deal with it.
And those who try to do something with it by themselves will die of exhaustion.

So what do you guys think?

Oh, I also felt something which I'm not sure if it relates to all of this.
I realized that the Earth is somehow "boiling" in all aspects.
I had the impression that we are being "cooked" to become more "edible".
Like we are in a transition of states. Of course, while it is cooking you can easily get burned if you are not careful. And after the cooking is done we need to let it cool down to be able to fully enjoy the "new state".


[edit on 2-8-2009 by Geladinhu]

i just realize of something and i will like you to correct me if im wrong.

i know you have been analyze a lot what truly TWZ represents but so far what i have seen is that im simple words represents a general response of the people to determinated event or events and as bigger are the dips or highs represents how deep and how much people will be involved to.

So i was thinking, most of us we think in the probable solar storms coming in the next years and is well know that a called "perfect storm" could shut down all electric life as we know it and with that all modern communications.

And without proper comunications we won't be able to know what is happening around the world.

Lets take for example the methapor of the train of Evasius, what will happend if you close the door of every wagon of the train? How could you know what is going on in the other wagons?

So here is my theory:

a) We are going to still be somehow comunicated until the zero point which it means that maybe even if a solar storm hit us the world is going to manage to still have MSM or...

b) The next coming events will affect us more closely to our own countries/communities so in that way general feelings will converge beyond communications.

Will like to know what you think guys maybe someone has already thought in that

Is there anything for today in regards to the many large quakes Baja just received?

[edit on 3-8-2009 by tamaransd]

reply to post by tamaransd


I found that there actually is a dip in the graph today which I've circled in the picture below. I used the Kelley version but the Watkins version had the same dip as well.

My new favourite song, just out today (and it relates to my last post above).



If this link is eventually removed due to copyright, I'll scrounge up another link. It's quite relevant to most of what ATS has to offer.

**Edit** yep, it was removed, so I replaced it with another...I'm probably fighting the inevitable here.

[edit on 4/8/09 by Evasius]

reply to post by Geladinhu


That is indeed brilliant insight, thank you. What I like most about your post (aside from the fact that you applied the timewave to a personal experience), is your view of time. Though not directly stated, I get a sense of there being a lack of flow as such, rather I see the movement being of the timeline itself, or points along the timeline vibrating like a struck string.

If ahead there is indeed a marble, or a source of this turbulence we're collectively experiencing, our perception of time with the past, present, and future being locked in place could very well be completely wrong. Some theories propose that time has no flow, and everything that ever was and ever will be exists in one colossal encompassing 'Now.' My opinion regarding this idea is that our experience of change is the percieved merger or flux between a set of infinite possibilites that already exists within this universe. These infinite possibilties began as a much simpler set of numbers, or fractal code, that was made complex by its repeated doubling, twisting, and overlapping. So our future already exists as do all other future possibilities.

This means that the source of zero date rests in our future, but must have already happened in some sense because we're currently dealing with it's resulting waves, and for some reason we're approaching the center rather than being flung outwards as one might expect. The source like you said could be a bouncing marble, which represents something acting outside of both our experience of time and the timeline itself - some odd instigating thrid party to reality. Other ways of looking at it could be a drop of water (or something) splashing into the surface of spacetime, and the resulting ripples are shaping our experince of time. Or perhaps the 'sheet' of spacetime was plucked from below, and the subsequent vibration brought forth the conscious experience of time.

Here's a graphic I put together for the 'Closer Look' thread - it represents time as a 3D wave, and the source of all waves was caused by some force in the center of all ripples. Instead of riding the wave to some outlying shore, we're rushing towards the chaos of creation, so to speak:

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/3399997d33d6.jpg[/atsimg]

Maybe your 'marble' can be represented by the center axis point in the image.

I'm not sure zero date can be signified by reaching the object that began this fluxuation, but perhaps it marks the point where we reach infinite chaos (like I've stated before) - infinite chaos in this theory however is like entering the point where the water droplet hit the surface of spacetime, like entering a waterfall or something like it. So far we've been swimming in the waves, soon we'll be struggling in the froth, and shortly thereafter we'll be inundated and possibly submerged if we don't find something stable to hold onto.

Back to the marble, we want to make sure we're not squashed by it when we find ourslelves in the shadow of its immensity around zero date. That could be the ultimate novelty we need to watch out for.

Again, thank you for sharing that insight.

[edit on 4/8/09 by Evasius]

Hello Evasius,
Wow what an incredible thread... it is quite honestly my first visit to this thread, primarily because I spend WAY too much time in the UFO threads.

Initially I thought of not commenting at all, I read through about 30% of the pages and I can just tell that this thread will become so big that the mods will have to split it or add some extra banner ads or something.

My personal opinion doesn't count at all here, primarily because I haven't spent any time, however the point you make here is the one obvious point I was thinking of... basically that this is a self fulfilling theory (and thread... well ultimately!) in that the challenge is that you become attuned to seeing events that are in correlation to spike/troughs in graphs and run the risk of making 'false positive' judgments.

Good luck with this whole thread, all I can say is that I (for one) look forward with a very positive attitude... and will if necessary completely ignore that pesky fifth horseman of the apocalypse thing...

reply to post by dominuz

Lets take for example the methapor of the train of Evasius, what will happend if you close the door of every wagon of the train? How could you know what is going on in the other wagons?

So here is my theory:

a) We are going to still be somehow comunicated until the zero point which it means that maybe even if a solar storm hit us the world is going to manage to still have MSM or...

b) The next coming events will affect us more closely to our own countries/communities so in that way general feelings will converge beyond communications.

This whole thing could play out any number of ways. Here are two likely scenarios:

1) We experience whatever happens via collective experience as a direct result of our technological advancement and total connectivity. So that means there will be one experince that will unite us all, becuase we'll all be watching, and we'll all be absolutely enthralled by what's going on. That event could be anything, including the 2012 phenomenon itself. The event of course must be non-destructive in that communications must not be severed for it to be successful. This will cuase the wave to flatline into infinity, and ultimate novelty is acheived.

2) Our connectedness is built up to monumental proportions - nearing totality, until one event suddenly and catastrophically cuts all communications around the globe. In order to cut people off from the world, they must first be cut off from one another. Once this event happens, it's back to square one, and the Timewave bottoms out (and infinite chaos is achieved).

What do you feel might happen? We can't be sure until that time, but I'm holding out for the non-destructive scenario. If consciousness does indeed create reality, then we owe it to ourselves to think positively during these troubled times.

[edit on 4/8/09 by Evasius]