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Here's some more footage:

www.liveleak.com...


Apparently, chemicals are being dropped from copters?

[edit on 21-6-2009 by GorehoundLarry]

If this has been posted already I apologise.
But do not watch this if you cannot handle a truley sick harrowing site

www.youtube.com...

that poor girl,
this footage makes me sick to my stomach.
ruthless sons of ..........
you sick .......

you will pay for every drop of persian blood you spill

she was a beautiful young lady, why did you shoot her.

the government are sealing there fate now.
blood will be spilt to keep freedom ruling.

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Yeah it was posted already but Star anyway!

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your not the only one who is sick about this murder of this young lady!!!

I hope they pay dearly for what they did!!!!!!

amy

Do the police not realise how their own actions are making the protesters more determined?
I agree with Agit8dChop and Amyfriend-totally sick actions by a hopefully dying regime.
Liveleak has many new videos on the front page today.

www.liveleak.com...

The youtube video has been taken down already.
I hope the crowds get proper revenge for that poor girl.
I hope those responsible for the killings are dealt with in a severe manner by the crowds,rather than getting a damned medal from the mullahs.
Down with the sick,outdated oppressive cowards who are killing the protesters.

What are the gun laws for the average Iranian?
Like the UK-or more like the USA?
I imagine they are similar to in the UK,or I think we probably would have seen more protesters firing back at the police by now.
Rest in peace,that poor free spirited girl.

This video,thought to be from saturday shows the crowds of protesters chasing down,and forcing the police state scum murderers to retreat.

news.bbc.co.uk...

Massive amounts of people FORCING the scum to back down.
I bet the police cowards would have ran to the hills days ago if the people were armed with guns...
And they know,if any of them get grabbed by the protesters it will be over for them,after the recent shootings of many Iranians.
Its the numbers...the state are trying to stop a huge dam bursting now,an impossible job I truly hope.

iran.whyweprotest.net...

Thats also worth a look,people trying to get up to date news out of Iran.
Without the net and camera phones,think how little we would have heard about this situation.
Especially considering all the MSM footage has been taken from the same sources,net/camera phones.

This is an interesting development, especially the Iranian news media spin on it....

Rafsanjani daughter detained during protest - agency

in.news.yahoo.com...

The daughter of former Iranian President Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani, a rival of President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, was detained during an opposition rally in Tehran on Saturday, an Iranian news agency said.

Fars News Agency, citing a security official, said Faezeh Rafsanjani and some other relatives had attended the protest and were detained in order to "preserve their security from terror acts of rioters."

It said they were transferred to the nearest military base and were kept there until the end of the unrest, suggesting they had been released.

Since the reporting source is Iranian the truth could be far from the above report.

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Chop,

The sad truth is there are two general ways to deal with situations like this (the protests/riots).

They can keep the violence down and allow people to tire themselves out

OR...

They can CRUSH the protest(ers) to stop it by using fear of injury or death.

Originally posted by Silcone Synapse
This video,thought to be from saturday shows the crowds of protesters chasing down,and forcing the police state scum murderers to retreat.

news.bbc.co.uk...

Massive amounts of people FORCING the scum to back down.
I bet the police cowards would have ran to the hills days ago if the people were armed with guns...
And they know,if any of them get grabbed by the protesters it will be over for them,after the recent shootings of many Iranians.
Its the numbers...the state are trying to stop a huge dam bursting now,an impossible job I truly hope.

iran.whyweprotest.net...

Thats also worth a look,people trying to get up to date news out of Iran.
Without the net and camera phones,think how little we would have heard about this situation.
Especially considering all the MSM footage has been taken from the same sources,net/camera phones.

There is a nice thread: www.abovetopsecret.com...&addstar=1&on=6545477#pid6545477

I am pointing out the coincidental description which matches the revolutionary events:

A neutron star is the remaining core, or remnant of a massive star that is much more massive than our Sun, such as a Red Giant that has ended its’ life cycle in a specific type of supernova that is caused by what is known as a core collapse, which is caused by the gravity of the star being to much to support itself anymore.

Exactly what happens to all totalitarian systems whose propaganda is ever growing and finally collapsing under its own weight.

All those regimes of "superior leaders" end up as a dead core of a neutron star - neutralized

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From what I just heard on the BBC it sounds like they are using the latter technique sadly.
A woman inside Iran,witnessed a student protester whos throat was cut by plain clothes police/basjis-in front of a large crowd of protesters,outside the university on saturday.
She was crying,and saying the regime are now calling all protesters 'terrorists.'Although she stressed the protesters were unarmed and helpless agianst the police knives and bullets.
This poor traumatised woman still wanted to tell the world they are still protesting.She said the police were filming as many protesters faces as possible,to deal with them later,and she said she had told her friends to film the police,so that THEY would also be indentified later.

That was just on bbcnews TV channel,which was the reason I paraphrased as opposed to a proper quote.

Many students were injured during/after the incident,she said.

My God...Brave and determined people,to carry on pushing after seeing one of your brothers butchered.
My thoughts are with them all.

Gotta admire the sheer bravery and spirit of the Persians.

That video of the poor girl dying will stay with me for the rest of my life. How can any bastard do that?

Then again, it seems no matter what part of the planet you're from, the police still abuse the power.

The information coming out of Iran is truly horrific, but would the news have been any different if hundreds of thousands had taken to the streets after the rigged Bush election?

We will never know what the true count in this election was. although I believe that two organisations in America polled a cross-section of Iranians way before the election and came up with the result we have now, i.e. a win by Ahmedinajad. Not much in print about that.

How would the World (ie the West) have reacted if there was suspicion that the election had been rigged with the opposite result, and Ahmedinajad's people had been out in the street protesting ?
This is not to say I approve of a theocracy, or any election that isn't transparent, but I think for the Western nations to go on as if everything in our garden's rosy, is a bit rich.

If the Shah hadn't been imposed on the people of Iran (by the West) in the first place, then the Theocrats would probably have had far less power than they do now
It was the UK and USA's joint effort in deposing the democratically elected President Mossadegh on 1953. The average Brits or American know nothing about this because its not in out History books. Mossadegh was deposed and substituted for the Shah after he acted out his election promise to nationalise the British owned Iranian oilfields. So everytime Britain and America mouth of about the political position in Iran its probably worth another 10,000 votes for the regime.
What followed our 'interference was the 1979 revolution with the monarchy being replaced by an Islamic republic.

Good analogy DangerDeath,thats exactly what I hope is going down in Iran.

And Mr Lizard,same here bro.I pray for that poor girl (Neda)and her family.

Dizzylizzy,the Western sponsored/installed Shah was also a corrupt murderous dictator-these people deserve better.
They are prepared to FIGHT for a better life.
I have to wonder...do they have toxic flouridated water/gm food/aspartame like the west?
I know they have a controlled media,but that alone does not seem to be enough to destroy their desire for change.
They have certainly not been passified to the degree where they will ignore a stolen election,never mind 2.

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Originally posted by Silcone SynapseWhat are the gun laws for the average Iranian?
Like the UK-or more like the USA?

Like the UK. All the males have to serve in the military, so most should have some skills, but weapons are banned.

That right there is a HUGE part of the problem. If they decide to fight what are they gonna fight with? Steak knives from the kitchen drawer?

Originally posted by dizzylizzy
We will never know what the true count in this election was. although I believe that two organisations in America polled a cross-section of Iranians way before the election and came up with the result we have now, i.e. a win by Ahmedinajad. Not much in print about that.

How would the World (ie the West) have reacted if there was suspicion that the election had been rigged with the opposite result, and Ahmedinajad's people had been out in the street protesting ?
This is not to say I approve of a theocracy, or any election that isn't transparent, but I think for the Western nations to go on as if everything in our garden's rosy, is a bit rich.

If the Shah hadn't been imposed on the people of Iran (by the West) in the first place, then the Theocrats would probably have had far less power than they do now
It was the UK and USA's joint effort in deposing the democratically elected President Mossadegh on 1953. The average Brits or American know nothing about this because its not in out History books. Mossadegh was deposed and substituted for the Shah after he acted out his election promise to nationalise the British owned Iranian oilfields. So everytime Britain and America mouth of about the political position in Iran its probably worth another 10,000 votes for the regime.
What followed our 'interference was the 1979 revolution with the monarchy being replaced by an Islamic republic.

You sir are correct IMHO. Here's something to consider. They have ALWAYS wanted Iran back in their control. In Iraq we invaded the country on purely made up charges and Sadam swung upon the hangman's noose. The top "known" oil reserves are in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, and Iran respectively. We have Iran surrounded on both sides via Afghanistan and Iraq.

I remember an article back some time ago (year or so) about our special ops teams in Iran and the article wasn't from some news outlet like Debka. Those truest of animals. Those up above Presidents, Prime Ministers, and Kings want Iran. I would imagine their playbook to be an offense against God himself. They will use the casual judgment of peoples to do their work.

I'm also not so sure Iran is doing a wrong thing right now. Not even sure their election count is wrong or right. I do know that freedom is with a price and I almost never expect people to make a wise choice.

Let's say, you are a cow living in your pen and this is the life you have always known. Then one day the gate is left open and you alone walk out towards the barn were the goodly farmer (whom feeds and takes care of your every need) spends time. You witness a cow being butchered but the farmer doesn't see you and you hurry away from the barn. You now know the true relationship between you and the farmer. You get back to outside of the pen. There set all of the cows awake but yet asleep. Their consciousness is dulled. You know there is now way to wake them, for their comforts take away their functioning mind. Even if you could convince them to choose freedom it means they would have to fend for themselves. Nobody would feed them, they would have to find their own food. Nobody would would shelter them comfortably, you would have to find shelter amongst the trees. They would have to defend against predators, no farmer could shoot or trap them.

The price of freedom is harsh. The peoples of Western nations are asleep. They have an illusion of freedom but they are slaves I guarantee you. Iran broke out of this trap and those that know I'm sure they would like to stay out of it. But the cost is a lack of comfort (sanctions and such) and I'm sure the people would like those creature comforts and to be like other nations. Bottom line is you cannot free a people. They have to free themselves which requires a level of consciousness that the people simply do not posses.

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Right,so they all have military training.Thats a good start.

All guns are banned,so HYPOTHETICALLY speaking,they would need to resort to whatever gives them any hope of leveling the playing field.

Petrol.Oil.Matches.Occupation of(remote) petrol stations in order to distribute molotovs.Discreet locations,outside of the main city riots.
They would have to create diversions in many areas to draw the police to false locations while they ransack garages,gas canister shops,etc.
They would have to disable the governments grid of communications,so that would mean more petrol and brute force to break any electricity infrastucture,cables,phone lines,dishes around government buildings.
They would have to get people in lower floors of buildings in the riot zone,catapults,molotovs etc.Higher floors,bows arrows molotovs rocks,catapults anything...
And those damned police hells angel wannabes-They would have to lure them into backstreets,then pull up wires at neck height.Steal uniforms,bikes etc.
If they want to take their country back,these are the sorts of techniques they may need to resort to,hypothetically speaking.

I keep reading how the US and the West want to subjugate and control Iran and other countries. I don't believe that is necessarily the case. The US et al want to be able to export oil from the Middle East at the lowest price with little or no political conflict.

It is less expensive and troublesome when there is a co-operative relationship, and the country has it's own effective infrastructures maintaining industry, commerce, domestic affairs, etc.

The country I live in, Canada, supplies 30% of the oil consumed by the US. There is no concern for a hostile takeover even though it would be easy given our proximity and military strength. But the relationship is reciprocal, and we go on about the business of running ourselves autonomously.

I'd say the cost of going into Iraq may never be repaid in terms of cheaper oil for the US. And I would also think that would be the same for Iran.

For 30 years the US and Iran have had an antagonistic relationship that has not benefited the Iranian people in any way I can see. Right now the government of Iran, primarily the Supreme Leader, Ayatollah Khomeini, see a reason to maintain this hostile stance. It looks like the other powerful Ayatollahs and the populace at large are now isolating him and his acolyte, the newly elected M. Ahmadinejad, as a root cause of their economic and social problems.

Mike

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Freedom craving 'fuelling Iran unrest'

The Iranian leadership is falling into the same trap that their arch-enemy the Shah of Iran fell into in the 1970s.

They are not listening to the people.

After a meeting with Shah Reza Pahlavi, the US ambassador William Sullivan complained: "The king will not listen."

Republicans urge Obama to get tougher on Iran

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Barack Obama should take a firm stand to support the street protests that have engulfed Iran since its disputed June 12 presidential election result, U.S. Republican senators said on Sunday.

"He's been timid and passive more than I would like," said Senator Lindsey Graham on ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" television news program.

That's exactly why the US should stay out of the situation.
Let the Iranians decide for themselves and only later if they want an open relationship with the west and the US then by all means we should at that point support them. But if we do anything too soon we will be accused of trying to set up another puppet Government.

There will be those who no matter what happens will say on either side the US has done the wrong thing

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Let the Iranians decide for themselves and only later if they want an open relationship with the west and the US then by all means we should at that point support them. But if we do anything too soon we will be accused of trying to set up another puppet Government.

Good comment Slayer,
I think Pres. Obama has done the right thing so far,keeping out of matters.

Do foreign intel companies operate in Iran? Maybe they do to an extent,but this is an organic movement IMHO,I mean who wouldn't want to free yourself and fellow brothers and sisters from such oppression.
I am just dissapointed that the police and millitia are still shooting at the people,rather than joining with them.

The Iranian people are revolting for a simple reason, their former president was re-elected. and what perfect timing. We are drawing to a close with Iraq, and Israel, and the United States are both looking for reasons to go into Iran. So who really rigged the elections in Iran? Who is really starting all the violence and unrest?