YOU can't handle disclosure. yes,YOU!

the disclosure of an E.T presence is what we need to really move on as a civilization. i think the only reason people would be scared is because they would not understand. there have been many negative images of them in various programs, games and other media and thats just not them. once people see they are here to help and accept that we need it then the panic will stop.

In the end disclosure is the best thing that can happen. A common goal for humanity should bring world peace. The way disclosure will be presented will probably be key on how we're going to react. I hope not traditional media...

Originally posted by Paranoidmina
It's not the whole cowering and fearing thing i am worried about. It is more or less the hatred that would come after.

So, What if the government said "we are not alone and they happen to be living among us..."

This kind of statement would create alot of paranoia for people you once knew as humans and now believe to be aliens of some sort.

What i'm trying to say is: Humans can not live with each other, so how would we live with some one else? We are discriminatory, arrogant and selfish. If any other life form showed themselves before us then i would have to say THEY should be more worried and scared. We are not very easy people to control.

About 200 years ago, when our normal Chinese population first contacted foreigner (US, English, French...), we called them "ghost", we really saw them as non-human at that time (we still use that term traditionally, but we doesn't mean it now; however, we mean that 200 years ago). People scared them, rejected them, lots of misunderstand, then government(s) told them about US, England, French..., so people dared to trade with them, went to war against them, cooperated with them to fight Japanese in WWII...then becaming major trading partners of China and brought most of the advanced technology into China.

Now think about it -- what if "no disclosure" since 200 years ago while foreigners still walked around with languages noone understood and did some science research & medication assistance noone understood...

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i'm the same.. just because certain people cannot handle it doesnt mean we all can't.

Y'know, I've been thinking (which right there is an indication of something dangerous...)...
If a technologically superior race of creatures decided to attack us, then there would be no announcement, no 'first wave' of attacks, no running for cover and no survivors.
A race of warriors doesn't become 'superior' by allowing any kind of retaliation or leaving any survivors.
We'd be dead, probably in mere minutes.
All of us...dead.
A well planned, planetary-wide attack would be so calculated and so absolute that there would be none of us left.
It's not 'Independence Day' or 'Mars Attacks'...there would be no countdown, no comical interlude of bungling comedic aliens and no time or available personnel with which to mount an effective counter attack.
We would be utterly wiped out before we even knew what hit us.
All of us...dead.
That's the whole point of attacking another world, to destroy them...right?

The Orson Wells broadcast doesnt fit in any sort of modern day disclosure, and lemme explain why.

When the broadcast was originally aired, the existance of UFOs wasnt even murmured about, sure, there were people whom seen disks in the sky, abduction cases, etc...but there wasnt even a single mention of such things on the msm of the day. .Soo, public consciousness considered aliens about as much as they considered the earth opening up and demons coming out of it from the pit of hell. a pure fantasy absurd notion fit only for the most far reaching books of science fiction.

When it was broadcast, you were dealing with 2 events, first off a epic invasion by a enemy that was far superior to us discussed by the main source of news which gave it credibility, and a concept that was never even considered...for them it was not unlike todays...28 days later type zombie outbreak...mhmm, definately freaked out.

since then, ETs have come into the most remote places as at the very least, a consideration of actual reality. The most hardnose skeptic believes also that there may be life elsewhere in the universe with technologies more advanced than us and a possibility it could one day stop by here. I think the WOTW broadcast was a test to see how to disclose frankly...and since the broadcast, they have been slowly altering the mind of the people so they dont have a repeat preformance.

Originally posted by NephraTari
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Wake up! Several countries have already declassified their UFO files. Uraguay is the most recent member to the disclosure movement across the globe.

It is happening.. we are just waiting for USA to catch up.

Yet out of all of that disclosure from these countries there is still not a single shred of solid proof of alien visitation. So what is it you are asking him to 'wake up' to?

As usual people believe what they want to believe instead of basing their belief on the facts. People have turned ufology into a kind of religion where you need faith in order to believe. We should not need faith in order to believe, faith is blind.

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You shouldn't be surprised by the fact that people look towards the media as a reference point. It is what conditioning people is all about. Similar to saying that all reporters write the truth, or all doctors obey their oath.

The Oath of Hippocrates

I SWEAR by Apollo the physician, and Aesculapius, and Health, and All-heal, and all the gods and goddesses, that, according to my ability and judgment, I will keep this Oath and this stipulation to reckon him who taught me this Art equally dear to me as my parents, to share my substance with him, and relieve his necessities if required; to look upon his offspring in the same footing as my own brothers, and to teach them this art, if they shall wish to learn it, without fee or stipulation; and that by precept, lecture, and every other mode of instruction, I will impart a knowledge of the Art to my own sons, and those of my teachers, and to disciples bound by a stipulation and oath according to the law of medicine, but to none others.

I will follow that system of regimen which, according to my ability and judgment, I consider for the benefit of my patients, and abstain from whatever is deleterious and mischievous. I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and in like manner I will not give to a woman a pessary to produce abortion. With purity and with holiness I will pass my life and practice my Art. I will not cut persons laboring under the stone, but will leave this to be done by men who are practitioners of this work. Into whatever houses I enter, I will go into them for the benefit of the sick, and will abstain from every voluntary act of mischief and corruption; and, further from the seduction of females or males, of freemen and slaves. Whatever, in connection with my professional practice or not, in connection with it, I see or hear, in the life of men, which ought not to be spoken of abroad, I will not divulge, as reckoning that all such should be kept secret. While I continue to keep this Oath unviolated, may it be granted to me to enjoy life and the practice of the art, respected by all men, in all times! But should I trespass and violate this Oath, may the reverse be my lot!

Originally posted by Rezination there have been many negative images of them in various programs, games and other media and thats just not them. once people see they are here to help and accept that we need it then the panic will stop.

Really? And you know this how?

And what are they here to help with?

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come on zorgon.u cant be serious now.what are they going to help us with?????imagine the breakthrough in medicine technology and what not.theres myriad things that can get improved

My take on this 'disclosure' or releasing UFO material won't happen in this country for the simple reason that the government no longer controls this data. Everything has been handed over to "skunk works" corporations to keep it safe from the Freedom of Information Act..... www.examiner.com...

Originally posted by IMSAM
come on zorgon.u cant be serious now.what are they going to help us with?????imagine the breakthrough in medicine technology and what not.theres myriad things that can get improved

Why do you assume that just because a 'friendly' race has the ability to get here that they have miracle cures that would help on Earth?

Despite what many believe the tech needed for interstellar travel is not that far advanced from where we are now. We have watched Star Trek since the 60's, so we already understand the concepts of Warp drives and are working on them now (if we don't already have them in black ops as Ben Rich says)

If we had followed Tesla 100 years ago and not let WWII and corporate greed get in the way... we would already be taking tourists to Alpha Centauri.

But why would you assume that medical discoveries on an Alien world, on Alien physiology would work on Humans?



Help us solve our personal problems? Why? Why would they interfere in our local politics, etc? If they were truly advanced they would have a non interference policy... because while they may have good intentions, do you really think people on Earth want outsiders to mess in our affairs? Sure a few 'light and love' crowd think this is cool but ask any cop who has walked into a dispute between husband and wife... BOTH will turn on him to keep his nose out of their business.

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Thats the key word.we are working on these engines now.aliens have worked on these engines ages ago.maybe even as old as thousands of years if we accept the interpretation of biblical chariots as ufos.in my mind if a civilisation comes here then he must be more advanced than us.way more advanced.and if he is more advanced then surely we can use some of their techologies for our own,the laws of physics are the same for every being in the universe.aliens included.and u say their physiology is different than ours.that didnt stop em from probing abductees and doing various examinations on them.

I've thought about this before too... what would I really feel if disclosure comes or we meet aliens?
Was a bit weird...

But to be honest, now I'm desperately hoping disclosure comes, I will embrace it with open arms.

I ABSOLUTELY can handle disclosure. I am one of many that are tired of being lied to and and I'm looking forward to the truth. I have been open minded all of my life and have always thought outside the box.

I do think there are many people out there that are so brainwashed from government and religion that it will totally shock them and turn their world upside down.

So I think your statement may be true for some and not for others! I for one am READY!!!!

You know what?

No one has mentioned the fact that everyone thinks that they know what would actually be disclosed. What if disclosure is not what you think?

Those of us who have seen actual UFOs know that there's something flying around that's not tech from current humans. That's it - that's all we know. Do we know if they're extraterrestrial? No. Are they from the future? Maybe. If you could bend space time and break the lightspeed barrier, it's not silly to assume that there's a good possibility that space and time don't have the same meaning as they do to us in our current form. You think that UFOs are inherently extraterrestrial? Maybe it's that simple, maybe not.

So the "government" comes out and admits that there are craft in our skies that can outperform our best stuff, even the stuff in the skunkworks labs. They admit that they have recovered tech, that they've been studying the stuff for 60 years and are no closer to understanding it than when they started. The say that they don't a clue what we're dealing with, we don't know what intentions these beings have, but we have no power in the situation. What would you think then? Would you be happy? Frustrated? Scared? Indifferent? Do you really think that they'll openly admit this situation? The reason I ask, is that based on what I've learned in the last few years, I have a strong suspicion that these are precisely the reasons why there has not been, nor will there be, any significant disclosure anytime soon. The powers that be cannot afford to appear stupid or weak, which is what might very well happen were they to come right out and say what's really going on, not what the majority of voices involved in the field might have you think. Maybe that's the reason we have all of this government-sponsored disinfo, perhaps it serves the purpose of throwing all of us onto false leads, bogus threads, witch hunts and distractions, getting us further and further from any useful insights or data, keeping the noise level so high that no one recognizes signal because it's buried under a mountain of crap spewed by self-proclaimed "experts". Most people don't want to have to unravel any of this mystery themselves, they'd rather have authority figures tell then what to think.

They probably have precious little to tell us, and just for fun, folks, how many of you believe what the "government" tells you anyway? You think they're lying to you about most of everything else - and I'd have to say that I don't believe what they tell us about our financial situation, their motivations and agendas, so why should I believe what they tell us about UFOs?

Do I need my government to tell me that there's intelligent life elsewhere in the Universe? Um, no, I can look at the Hubble deep space shots, with screens full of galaxies, and intuitively understand that there is likely a variety of life that even the best sci-fi authors could never actually even imagine. Are we alone in this Universe? What exactly do we mean when we say "Universe", it's likely a "Multiverse" more complex than any of us could really visualize. If there's nothing else we should learn from studying the field of paranormal phenomenon, it's that the underlying complexity of reality is astounding, deeper than we know, and to assume that a UFO is automatically an extraterrestrial craft, carrying a bipedal sentient being seeking human semen, ovaries and cow anuses is folly.

So think very carefully about the meaning of "disclosure" and what it might really present to us, and consider that a simple response is probably the last thing you'll have to one of the deepest mysteries facing us as a species. As much as we'd like to think that we're "ready", it's like a small child thinking that they're ready to get behind the yoke of an airplane, and what might actually happen if they did.

dB

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I think whether I can handle it or not depends on what the statement of disclosure reveals. If it merely states that we have been visited at times over the years by benign creatures from space, then whoopee -- who cares -- this is not really news. If, on the other hand, TPTB state that there are aliens planning an attack on Earth in the near future and we will all be wiped out and should say our goodbyes to our loved ones and make peace with our God, then...

Originally posted by davidbiedny

No one has mentioned the fact that everyone thinks that they know what would actually be disclosed. What if disclosure is not what you think?

Really? You did read the thread right?

Originally posted by mjfromga
I think whether I can handle it or not depends on what the statement of disclosure reveals. If it merely states that we have been visited at times over the years by benign creatures from space, then whoopee -- who cares -- this is not really news. If, on the other hand, TPTB state that there are aliens planning an attack on Earth in the near future and we will all be wiped out and should say our goodbyes to our loved ones and make peace with our God, then...

Such a fixation on the term "disclosure" and its perceived image of "disclosure" is as i have repeated before is a result of decades of manipulation which exceeds beyond any scifi movie or fantasy your brain is able to calculate. If and i mean a if, they do mention through the media since that is the new world reference of a legitimate news source in this day and age, you most likely will be uneasy but forget about it or should i say go about your daily life within about four months. If and i mean if they do mention of an attack, then you most likely will become hostile by nature, as your primal instinct of survival over runs all your previous functions as conditioned human who has been functioning within a body of similar entity's.

Keep in mind, that we do have weapons which can wipe out all living organisms but still keep structural integrity for re population.
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"Also called ENHANCED RADIATION WARHEAD, specialized type of small thermonuclear weapon that produces minimal blast and heat but which releases large amounts of lethal radiation. The neutron bomb delivers blast and heat effects that are confined to an area of only a few hundred yards in radius. But within a somewhat larger area it throws off a massive wave of neutron and gamma radiation, which can penetrate armour or several feet of earth. This radiation is extremely destructive to living tissue. Because of its short-range destructiveness and the absence of long-range effect, the neutron bomb would be highly effective against tank and infantry formations on the battlefield but would not endanger cities or other population centres only a few miles away. It can be carried in a Lance missile or delivered by an 8-inch (200-millimetre) howitzer, or possibly by attack aircraft.

In strategic terms, the neutron bomb has a theoretical deterrent effect: discouraging an armoured ground assault by arousing the fear of neutron bomb counterattack. The bomb would disable enemy tank crews in minutes, and those exposed would die within days. U.S. production of the bomb was postponed in 1978 and resumed in 1981."

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I will admit nothing of the sort! I firmly believe that I might hyperventilate for a few minutes out of sheer excitement but, then I'd be fine. But that's just me. I don't want to be a parrot and reiterate what others have said, but it sounds like you've been watching too many "aliens destroy the world" movies.