Jesus Christ, Stop Bashing Christians

Just found this article on daily Kos. I liked it.
This is just a piece of it if you like it you can read the whole thing here. Im not christian i just understand the situation.

The guilt-by-association attacks on Christians are illogical, insulting and divisive. The killing of Dr. Tiller by an insane antiabortion zealot cannot logically be blamed on Christian beliefs. The bible has many apparent contradictions but prohibition of murder is very clear.

Thou shalt not kill.

Only tiny extremist antiabortion groups that claim to be Christian attempt to justify murder in the name of Jesus. Attempts to blame Christianity for the sordid elements of its past are exercises in prejudice if the same criteria are not applied to the sordid history of other groups. Stalin, Chairman Mao and Pol Pot were atheist. Should atheism be blamed for their murder of millions? No. That would be illogical.

FishOutofWater's diary :: :: The shows of anti-Christian bigotry by a number of individuals here since Tiller's murder have been divisive to the causes Democrats and progressives. Christianity has never had one set of defined beliefs since Christ was crucified as texts such as the Gospels of Thomas and Mary make clear. The eastern orthodox church and the Roman church divided almost 2 millenia ago. Christianity is too old and too diverse to be defined by the set of beliefs ascribed to one sect or one church. Several logical fallacies have been used in arguments (I have seen here in the past 2 days) attacking Christianity.

Not generally a fan of that site, but kudos to them for sticking up for the truth in this case. Always glad to see people make the distinction between individuals and groups. What happened were the actions of an individual, not of a group.

It would be like trying every human on the planet for the actions of Hitler because he was a human.

Seems like churches seem to be the fad to start killing people in.

It's I guess an example of extremist behavior, if you don't like what that person is doing because your Friend upstairs wrote a book thousands of years ago, you must kill him, now! Gun him down like a madman. Then be praised for doing the lords work.

I'm waiting for them to make an Idol out of the shooter. Just like when they held picket signs and marches when that gay man was killed for, get this, being gay. He must die, not cause i want him to die, god wants him to die.

Don't worry, it's just a small taste, don't even try to look at Islam.

But really what would you say if an Islam spokesman came out and said "Islam should not be criticized for killings, because of a few troublemakers".

You'd go WTF, in a heartbeat.

Christianity has kept it on the down low, but it's rearing it's ugly head, wait for the fundamentalist to come out. Just wait for it.

Probably our mates in the NWO want everyone to hate everyone else.

reply to post by Amagnon


ya, divide and conquer eh?

Originally posted by Republican08
Seems like churches seem to be the fad to start killing people in.

It's I guess an example of extremist behavior, if you don't like what that person is doing because your Friend upstairs wrote a book thousands of years ago, you must kill him, now! Gun him down like a madman. Then be praised for doing the lords work.

I'm waiting for them to make an Idol out of the shooter. Just like when they held picket signs and marches when that gay man was killed for, get this, being gay. He must die, not cause i want him to die, god wants him to die.

Don't worry, it's just a small taste, don't even try to look at Islam.

But really what would you say if an Islam spokesman came out and said "Islam should not be criticized for killings, because of a few troublemakers".

You'd go WTF, in a heartbeat.

Christianity has kept it on the down low, but it's rearing it's ugly head, wait for the fundamentalist to come out. Just wait for it.

So the next time a black person commits a crime I can be like, they were on the down low, but those coloreds are about to rear their ugly heads right?

Or how about the next time some redneck shoots someone? Can we finally go after all those rednecks and get rid of those?

What, just what if an Atheist kills someone? That makes them all murderers right? Ooooohhh, because I knew an Atheist that killed someone once. Things aren't looking good for the Atheists anymore are they? Hope you aren't one. You belong to a group of murderers! How could you?

How about the next time someone on ATS goes nuts? Does that mean we can be like oh look those ATSers are rearing their ugly head now! You know that's what they'll do right?

Me personally I'm just waiting for another republican sex scandal and then I can say all republicans are pedos and then they'll never get elected again. Hey, that's what we did to the Catholics right? I mean, come on, if one of em does it they've all got to be like that right?

Of course, it's all fun and games until tomorrow and you wake up and your suddenly the new stereotype and scapegoat for the MSM. You do know that's what this is right? Media hype? Let's get the ratings up? Some wacko killed someone and we'll hype it all up as some crazy Christian as hard as we can so you'll tune in and we'll sell your advertisings all while you get worked up and yell at your TV screen.

You know that's what this is right? You have figured that out haven't you? That this is the MSM and those on the net with their own agenda playing you so you'll pay attention to THEM and THEIR agenda right?

You know they could have went out and found an atheist wacko or a buddhist wacko or liberal wacko or conservative wacko just as easy as right? You know we're pretty much all wacko and the MSM just uses that to pit us against each other right?

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I believe that people that are fixed in their views read this, the whole point of the article is lost on them. Do not antagonize them nor feel sorry for them. That is the way they choose to be and it is not my or anyone's place to say if that is right or wrong.

reply to post by The Mack


I don't understand, Mister Manhattan. Please, don't splat me from the inside-out without hearing me out.

First, your title: are you saying "Jesus Christ" as a invective? I did not go to that link to find out if that was the case.

Second, the guy who killed the doctor: the murderer is not a Christian anymore than Howdy is Doody.

What I am trying to say is, all acts that are antisocial, including the big one, murder, involves some measure of psychosis. The murderer in this case might as well been obsessing over pleasing Jodie Foster. To call him a Christian zealot is to say " he was a decent Christian guy, except for his thoughts about killing people who have somehow damaged him...." At least Charlie Manson comes out and says trees, plants, and animals are better than humans. This guy, the abortion doctor murderer, is killing people in the name of people. Kooky.

reply to post by pluckynoonez


well you should read the article before bringing up minor points like my avatar and the title.

[edit on 2-6-2009 by The Mack]

We will start being treated as individuals when we stop identifying with groups. Groups are what divide us. Names divide us. Religions devide us.

We sometimes get thrown into a group without our consent.

Example:

Sally organizes a group called Women for a Holy Open Religious Experience Seance.

Now, I don't agree with seances and don't feel that they are something to fool around with so I am automatically labeld "Anti W.H.O.R.E.S."

I am now in a group and didn't even ask to be put in one.God forbid a movenemt springs up around my disagreement of what the W.H.O.R.E.S.
are doing in their little meetings.

We have to be very VERY careful to avoid at all cost. being labeled,catagorized,classified, or put into a group.

That is all.

[edit on 2-6-2009 by Jesus H Christ]

reply to post by tinfoilman


I don't get it, that is how it all goes.

The John Edwards scandal, Hitler (people speculate he was an atheist) is brought up in debates many times that because he was athiest like joseph stalin, it made him a bad person, also majority of people hate rednecks, when you think of them you think gun yielding mullet wearers.

And by the way, i'm not republican, its just a username, nice cheapshot though, better luck next time.

I agree with you though, it's an easy way to pin everyone against each other.

I posted this thread in another thread, were it was a muslim who killed a soldier, god did the anti muslim speak through aroudn, and I sent them all hear to see this OP.

As with any major religious belief sect, it's not hard for me to say it's going to rear it's ugly head, sooner or later Atheism will most likely later.

Right now, any fundamentalist belief is going to get thousand if not millions killed eventually. It happens it's a fact. We accept it.

I went after christianity here, but say it was any other religion I would of attacked it just as well, fanatisism, and extremes have no place in this world, but is that an extreme belief! Oh the paradox.

Uhm, when Jesus Christ is going to be arrested by the Roman Soldiers, Peter tried to kill one of the soldiers but Jesus stopped him and even healed the soldier's injury.

Mahatma Gandhi's non violent opposition was inspired by Christ's teachings about non-violence. Christianity is all about non-violence and loving your enemies. This one man's action in the OP is actually an anti-Christian act.

reply to post by ahnggk


Yes but remember even Gandhi said

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

reply to post by The Mack


Did you read the rest of my post? Jeeze, I thought Mister Manhattan would be more thorough, he seemed to be in the movie.

So, I reiterate, the Spark Notes' version: The murderer who killed the abortion doctor was not a Christian, he was in love with Jodie Foster in some unhealthy manner.

reply to post by The Mack


I'd have to argue with that site. I don't bash christians as much anymore.. However if you read the old testament, it becomes clear that the "Thou Shalt Not Kill" applied only to other jews. It seems as though from reading the texts, if it's a gentile then all bets are off.

Originally posted by Republican08
reply to post by tinfoilman

 

I don't get it, that is how it all goes.

The John Edwards scandal, Hitler (people speculate he was an atheist) is brought up in debates many times that because he was athiest like joseph stalin, it made him a bad person, also majority of people hate rednecks, when you think of them you think gun yielding mullet wearers.

And by the way, i'm not republican, its just a username, nice cheapshot though, better luck next time.

Well it was a cheap shot wasn't it? That was kinda the whole point. Wasn't it also a cheap shot when they say Hitler or Stalin was an atheist and use that against atheists? It was also a cheap shot against rednecks wasn't it?

But it was alright when they do it to Christians though right? I was trying to show they're the same things. It's funny how when I say republicans you don't hesitate a bit to notice that's a cheap shot. You notice instantly that it's a cheap shot. But when the word Christian is in the sentence all of a sudden you're blind to see that someone else is just pulling the same exact tricks with a different word in the sentence.

The point is everyone is focusing on the wrong thing. Regardless of if your pro-life or pro-choice, this tragic incident is being used as propaganda by the pro-choice crowd.

Everybody just for a second and try to remove everyone else's opinion for your mind and decide what you believe. Don't let someone else tell you who's good and who's bad all the time.

reply to post by tinfoilman


It's only a cheapshot because you weren't going against the ideologies but me personally after seeing republican in my username and making a blunt statement to it. That's all, quit analyzing!

I also mentioned which you surprisingly left out of your quote? That it's not the certain groups or whatever, but it's the fanaticism and extremist I am against. Not the affiliation, that alone is a different ground for another meaningless debate.

The extremist who want to kill gay people for being gay, the extremist who want to kills US soldiers for being US soldiers, the People who want to kill jews for being jews, etc etc etc.

That is what I am against. Not just christianity, not just The wizard of Oz, but the foundation of extremity.

Originally posted by Republican08
reply to post by tinfoilman

 

That is what I am against. Not just christianity, not just The wizard of Oz, but the foundation of extremity.

I am for the Wizard of Oz, it goes great with Dark Side of the Moon. I am not against anything; however, I am for being nice to people and not killing them.

reply to post by pluckynoonez


Yes, plucky, I do enjoy your posts so much!

But to be for being nice to everyone, in a way you have to be against killing, and murdering of people. It is what you stand for in being nice to everyone, then you must be against it, if your not you must be neutral and okay with it or advocate it.

Innocently nice heartful post though.

Originally posted by Republican08
reply to post by tinfoilman

 

It's only a cheapshot because you weren't going against the ideologies but me personally after seeing republican in my username and making a blunt statement to it. That's all, quit analyzing!

I also mentioned which you surprisingly left out of your quote? That it's not the certain groups or whatever, but it's the fanaticism and extremist I am against. Not the affiliation, that alone is a different ground for another meaningless debate.

The extremist who want to kill gay people for being gay, the extremist who want to kills US soldiers for being US soldiers, the People who want to kill jews for being jews, etc etc etc.

That is what I am against. Not just christianity, not just The wizard of Oz, but the foundation of extremity.

Again, I say. It was supposed to be a cheap shot. On purpose. To prove a point. To show how quick you'd point out it was a cheap shot, but still haven't admitted this whole thing is a cheap shot again Christians.

As for extremism. What extremism? Who's the extremist? Are we talking about a real person? Or is that just another label like republican or christian that the MSM has given you?

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