Iran sends warships to Gulf of Aden - navy

reply to post by mrmonsoon


And when saddam was dropping biological weapons via american made helicopters on the kurds.The international community found out about it,the american senate wrote a bill to stop selling Saddam weapons and funding him...guess what? the white house threw the bill out.So who is more crazy? the mad man or the people funding and selling weapons to the mad man?

reply to post by mrmonsoon

said that life in the M.E. is not valued by it's governents as it is in the West.

In case your georgaphy is really that poor, Iraq is in the middle east. as well as Iran.

Better pull out a map Iran is in Asia!

Persians are not Arabs either.

You sure love to tell some pretty strange tales!

By the way I was a travel agent for 10 years, I sure do know my geography, and my history and cultures.

Try a fact check now and then would you?

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


"Now do you have an article that says these ships are not there to combat pirating? A reporter from a respected independent News service not owned by a Rothschild who got an Iranian Captain, diplomat, or Admiral or politician to say...those ships aren't there to stop Pirates and we aren't there in relation to the agreement we just signed to step our efforts?

Has it ever occured to you that because of Iran's close proximity it's easier for them to send and resupply ships than it is say Australia or Brazil?

Omitting facts from News Reports doesn't make pertinent facts non pertinent.

Your understanding of logistics, mutual agreements, and the tedium of patrolling in long ocean grids to detect and encounter hostile forces is almost as impressive as your non-existent source of how Black September in Jordan became Hezbollah in Lebanon.

You could launch a balsa wood propeller airplane with all that twisting!
"

I said, if you bothered to read (clearly not) that the article quoted in this post had absolutely "NO" reference to these 6 ships going to stop pirates, none, nothing.
(your strong desire does not change facts, sorry, nor YOUR omitting this fact because it proves you wrong-

The fact that Iran has later posted an article attemping to justify their actions, is not important. ( A bit of after the fact justification)

BTW, what reporter from what respected news agency??
(Iran terrorist times-pfff)
(or maybe Al Jihad-double pfff)

I never stated that their was any news from Iran that told the truth that they are not their to stop pirates.

Your question of Swiss ships is one I have asked before-my best "guess" is to show support for stopping the pirates-BTW, have any Swiss/A Swiss flagged or ships meant for them been attacked?
I honestly don't know, but it would be a strong justification as to why.

Yes Iran is closer than other countries, but no, it is not in Irans nature or history to help others (read non muslium countries).

You again, sadly show your Iranian ignorance of the world, it's ok, I know your government blocks honest news and internet news from you, so I don't fully blame your ignorance on yourself.

As for patrolling large area's of ocean, by boat, yes..agreed No honestly.

What you fail to understand is a few ships with high grade radar/sonar systems-especially satellite linked , can see every ship in a tremendous amount of ocean.
( Again, since your country does not have this ability, I fully understand your lack of knowledge on this technical issue)

From their a reasonable number of warships (read fighters as opposed to radar ships) are needed to work.

This may be beyond your ability to understand, but this post is about Iran sending warships to a given location, not your attempts at changing the topic to support your position in another post.
(Thats ok, fully expected from you and properly ignored)

Your final "off topic" statement about about twisting facts seems to apply to you and your posting, it's ok, here at ATS you are allowed your uninformed opinion.
(These servers are in US/ owned in England/UK, so your government can not block them to the rest of us from posting facts, sorry.)

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
reply to post by Now_Then

 

Would Iran purposely kill hundreds of it's people for political gain...
In a heart beat, remember, life to these people is not the same as it is here.

that is what you said. Up until that point you were talking about IRAN. But then in the next post went on to lump Saddam Hussein in with them. Which I pointed out.

Now,

I said that life in the M.E. is not valued by it's governments as it is in the West.

no you didn't. you never said that. you said What I accused you of saying, which is pasted right up there. You might have meant to say what you just said now, but you didn't. So, don't attempt to make me look stupid or ignorant because you don't know how to express yourself.

If you had said that, I would have had no need to make a post. If you said that, then why not quote it? because it isn't there, you never said that, and if you are clarifying your original statement than say that's what you're doing don't claim to repeat something you never said.

where have I put words in your mouth?
You are saying I support terrorists and murderers, though I have said nothing of the sort, only pointed out the fact that I live in a multicultural environment and that those people aren't terrorists or murderers, but statements like yours perhaps may make them feel like that is how all non M.E. people feel.

And, how can you one moment tell me that facts are what win debates, then in the next line say "where he got the weapons from isn't the issue"

Isn't that a little contradictory? and how did I appeal to emotion instead of fact?

However, I should apologize. You are not being racist, as you have pointed out. You are just an arrogant fool.


edit spelling and added the word arrogant after reading your most recent post.


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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by mrmonsoon

 

said that life in the M.E. is not valued by it's governents as it is in the West.

In case your georgaphy is really that poor, Iraq is in the middle east. as well as Iran.

Better pull out a map Iran is in Asia!

Back to your uninformed replies, ok...


Persians are not Arabs either.

You sure love to tell some pretty strange tales!

By the way I was a travel agent for 10 years, I sure do know my geography, and my history and cultures.

Try a fact check now and then would you?

Iran is considered part of the M.E. by the entire world.
Furthermore, I bet if most Iranians were asked if they feel like part of the M.E. or Asain, they would say M.E.
Certainly your government does.

Since you clearly don't/can't fully read posts, I will retell you, I "NEVER" said Iranians /persians were Arabs

(In fact that is a complete lie by you and I can show all of my posts in this topic to show you just flat out lied!!!, which is against TAC. In the future, please don't tell such transparent lies or your post will have to be reported as a hoax/lie)

Clearly your knowledge of 10 years is painfully lacking, again i will credit this to the ignorance your governemt forces on you.

I don't hate you, I feel pity for you.

*Edited for spelling...D'OH

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reply to post by coincidence_theorist


Sorry Ct, you are wrong.

Here is the reply you refer to.

"now, it was seen as such by it's transponder beacon.
It basically says out what kind of craft it is.

It's purpose is to allow others to realize just what kind of craft it is.

"if" Iran put a F-14 beacon on a civilian craft, it would bee seen by radar and transponder receivers as a F-14 fighter craft in a war zone.

Would Iran purposely kill hundreds of it's people for political gain...
In a heart beat, remember, life to these people is not the same as it is here."

I "DID" say life to these people...

I will grant you this, perhaps I could have/should have been more clear, I will correct that now.

(If anyone honestly misunderstood this, allow me to apologize for not being clear enough for you.)

Life to governments in the M.E./ even if they call themselves Asain, is not valued as it is in the West.

reply to post by mrmonsoon

I said, if you bothered to read (clearly not) that the article quoted in this post had absolutely "NO" reference to these 6 ships going to stop pirates, none, nothing.
(your strong desire does not change facts, sorry, nor YOUR omitting this fact because it proves you wrong-

The fact that Iran has later posted an article attemping to justify their actions, is not important. ( A bit of after the fact justification)

Actually once again you are dodging the question. Further the article I posted appeared several days before the Original Poster’s Article so once again you are not actually considering any other relevant information. You by the have added lots of colorful commentary and speculation as to things that weren’t written in the Original Poster’s News Article either, just in case you haven’t noticed!

BTW, what reporter from what respected news agency??
(Iran terrorist times-pfff)
(or maybe Al Jihad-double pfff)

These are very bigoted statements.

I never stated that their was any news from Iran that told the truth that they are not their to stop pirates.

You haven’t actually stated any news, just opinions of your own.

Your question of Swiss ships is one I have asked before-my best "guess" is to show support for stopping the pirates-BTW, have any Swiss/A Swiss flagged or ships meant for them been attacked?
I honestly don't know, but it would be a strong justification as to why.

Well I am sure there would be no Iranian flagged merchant vessels sailing in those waters now would there either? It doesn’t sound like you are very well educated on the ongoing cooperation, treaties and efforts by most nations of that world to deal with the Pirating in those waters. Maybe you could study up some so you have more to offer than speculative commentary?

Yes Iran is closer than other countries, but no, it is not in Irans nature or history to help others (read non muslium countries).

Oh so Somalia is not a Muslim Country and no ships from Muslim Nations sail commercially in this Muslim part of the world.

Once again how come Israel has not sent any ships? Still waiting for the check in the Mail from the U.S.?

You again, sadly show your Iranian ignorance of the world, it's ok, I know your government blocks honest news and internet news from you, so I don't fully blame your ignorance on yourself.

Actually what is it you know about Persia, you don’t even know what continent Iran is located on, I live in the United States exactly what nation do you live in where you get all this incredible news?

What you fail to understand is a few ships with high grade radar/sonar systems-especially satellite linked , can see every ship in a tremendous amount of ocean.

( Again, since your country does not have this ability, I fully understand your lack of knowledge on this technical issue)

Oh I must just fail to understand why you haven’t posted the equipment the Iranian Naval Vessels use that makes them unsuitable for the task.

I fully understand your prejudicial need fueled by stereotypical assumption and bigotry to reach for supposed facts you can’t seem to ever find a source for.

This may be beyond your ability to understand, but this post is about Iran sending warships to a given location, not your attempts at changing the topic to support your position in another post.
(Thats ok, fully expected from you and properly ignored)

Actually it’s very hard to understand things when having discussions with people who can’t post references that even remotely substantiate their suppositions. I can appreciate why you would ignore people with intelligent and discerning questions regarding incomplete and inaccurate statements you put out there.

(These servers are in US/ owned in England/UK, so your government can not block them to the rest of us from posting facts, sorry.)

I live in the United States of America, how is life in Tel Aviv these days?

reply to post by mrmonsoon

Furthermore, I bet if most Iranians were asked if they feel like part of the M.E. or Asain, they would say M.E.
Certainly your government does.

I don't know what Iranians would say in Iran I know that if a TV reporter says the Gulf of Arabia versus the Persian Gulf it produces an unhappy look on Iranian faces.

If you though visited Persian Restaurants from Washington D.C., New York, or Miami, and actually talked to someone from Iran and insulted their Asian heritage in that way, you likely would not find your suppositions kindly regarded.

You have already had to lower to yourself to the standard disinfo agent's tactic of trying to portray an intelligent and open and fair minded American citizen as somehow not being from America which once upon a time prided itself on just such qualities.

Typically I find most people who engage in this tactic on-line are from Israel as no real American would accuse someone engaging in a fact based debate that didn't adhere to Israeli propoganda of not being an American.

Some Christian Zionist extremists will do this too, so maybe you aren't from Israel who knows, who cares?

You have failed to back up any of your suppositions on any thread and while it would be nice if you could actually post sources that back up your highly prejudicial and incendiary comments you seem unwilling, incapable or ill prepared to do so.

You might get the choir to sing along with you on this approach but your never going to replace well documented fact with such bigoted and paranoid suppositions.

It frightens me that someone claiming to be American could be so determined to avoid well documented facts.

It sure isn't the Jihadists, or Islamists that our country is in the most danger from, but people who see indiscriminate and poorly thought out violence as a means to some pathetic illusion of grandeur.

Iraq attacked Iran. The United States CIA has attacked Iran. The United States has attacked Iraq, and Afghanistan. Israel has attacked Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq.

Who exactly has Iran attacked again?

Sorry to join lately,

This news is bad news, and could start up the mess everybody wish to avoid.

Iranian send warships in the region for various reasons.

Things are going wild in Somalia. Ethiopia (Christian country) is operating in Somalia, against islamists supported by Iran.

Israel has bases for their SUBS in neighbouring Erythrea.

www.timesonline.co.uk...

Last month, almost nowhere reported, an Iranian ship would have been sunk by Israelis or US navy.

It is alleged that the sunken ship was carrying weapons for islamists around and Gaza strip.

www.israelnationalnews.com...

These Iranian ships should, I guess carry Sunburn Missiles and Russian Torpedos.


Maybe all the mess is allready started, it is just we don't know it yet.

Okay, I'm in the US navy and even I say let them be there. As long as they're not bombing anyone, provoking anyone, or trying to kill anyone, then they have freedom of the seas just like anyone else. When they do try to bomb someone, provoke someone, or kill someone, then we'll destroy them.