Iran sends warships to Gulf of Aden - navy

So . . . on the one hand, we should not believe the war mongering . . . but on the other hand, they can and would do war like stuff . . .


Which is it?

Originally posted by Now_Then

Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
Didnt we once sink Irans entire Navy in a few days... So what does it matter where there ships are.

Really? When was that?

en.wikipedia.org...

Operation Praying Mantis

"By the end of the operation elements of the American fleet had damaged Iranian naval and intelligence facilities on two inoperable oil platforms in the Persian Gulf, and sunk at least three armed Iranian speedboats, one Iranian frigate and one fast attack gunboat. One other Iranian frigate was damaged in the battle.[4] Sabalan was repaired in 1989 and has since been upgraded, and is still in service with the Iranian navy. In short, Iran lost one major warship and a smaller gunboat. Damage to the oil platforms was eventually repaired and they are now back in service."

Well whose back yard is it anyway?

The US having 2 or 3 carrier groups sailing around the Med and Gulf areas is just fine and dandy and they're just out for a sunny cruise after all.

They're not there to intimidate locals at the decree of small minded (or maybe small dicked) individuals thousands of miles away, no sirree!

reply to post by leo123


Wow that was a pretty impressive operation, was not aware of that one... Kinda odd about the airbus being seen as an F-14, why was it flying in a conflict zone anyway? And you dammed sure can't fit 290 people in an F-14.

Thanks for bringing that link up

Originally posted by Britguy
Well whose back yard is it anyway?

The US having 2 or 3 carrier groups sailing around the Med and Gulf areas is just fine and dandy and they're just out for a sunny cruise after all.

They're not there to intimidate locals at the decree of small minded (or maybe small dicked) individuals thousands of miles away, no sirree!

So, from your own words, the ships are not meant to intimidate others by Iran's small minded or penis leaders???

reply to post by Now_Then


now, it was seen as such by it's transponder beacon.
It basically says out what kind of craft it is.

It's purpose is to allow others to realize just what kind of craft it is.

"if" Iran put a F-14 beacon on a civilian craft, it would bee seen by radar and transponder receivers as a F-14 fighter craft in a war zone.

Would Iran purposely kill hundreds of it's people for political gain...
In a heart beat, remember, life to these people is not the same as it is here.

reply to post by mrmonsoon


You just don't get it do you.

I could explain it in a simpler way but I don't think you'd grasp the concept of geography too well....but here goes.

You see, Iran is in the Middle East and therefore sails it's vessels around the area, and rightly so, bothering nobody. The USA is a long long way from the Middle East (did you go to school? Ever see a world map?) and they sail their biggest and most intimidating warships around others peoples back yards to terrify them into doing what the small dicked politicians in America want them to do.

Is that simple enough or do you need pictures?

reply to post by mrmonsoon


Oh come off it and stop talking absolute out and out drivel."life to these people is not the same as it is here." i mean really,you can actually say that with a straight face? I really do think you just talk garbage about Iran and the ME just for the sake of it sometimes.

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
reply to post by Now_Then

 

Would Iran purposely kill hundreds of it's people for political gain...
In a heart beat, remember, life to these people is not the same as it is here.

And you are quite sure of that sweeping statement are you? Spoken to any native Iranians lately about how much they love their families and neighbours? That has to be the most ridiculous statement I have seen in a long time, even by your low (or is that high) standards of ignorance.

Like when American surveillance ship was sunk by Israel by American president's orders?

And a biiig question who ordered 9/11 disaster...

Let's not speak about who really doesn't value peoples' lives.

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
reply to post by Extralien

 

BTW, the article "NO WHERE" mentioned attacking or defending from pirates.

Just a detail we should all notice...

Actually I hate to break it to you but there is!

Iran's counter-piracy efforts "commendable", says IMO chief
London, May 21, IRNA - The International Maritime Organisation (IMO) has praised Iran’s counter-piracy efforts in Somali waters and the Gulf of Aden, calling on the Islamic Republic to extend such “commendable” support to other ships.

Wow, commendable!

Lets see what else they have to say?

Mitropoulos earlier told IRNA that the Islamic Republic of Iran is cooperating at “a high level” with his organisation to combat piracy in the international waters.

“From the point of view of cooperation of the Islamic Republic of Iran with the IMO, I have to say that the standard of cooperation is high and we want to upgrade it in future,” Mitropoulos told IRNA at the sidelines of an April meeting between IMO and the Iranian delegation to sign a memorandum of understanding on further maritime cooperation.

Oh those crazy folks in London actually wanting Iran to cooperate even more and sign an agreement to that effect?

Well what do you know?

Why would they do that?

Iran is an active member of the London-based International Maritime Organisation in its plans to safeguard international waters.

IRNA.com

Now I wonder how many ships Israel has sent to help against the Pirates...can't find an article on that!

Oh wait, I spoke to soon, Israel's Navy is too busy with huge operations like this to bear the cost of helping to police International Shipping Lanes...

Occupied Jerusalem: An Israeli official says Israel's navy has turned back a boat trying to carry pro-Palestinian protesters to the embattled Gaza Strip.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor says the boat ignored an Israeli radio order to turn back. Palmor says the boat tried to outmaneuver the navy ship and crashed into it, lightly damaging both vessels. The navy then escorted the boat to the territorial waters of Cyprus.

That was the last Israeli Navy article to make the news...

Back on December 30th, I guess they have been resting and reequiping after that brave run in with a 45 foot pleasure craft?

Gulf News

Darn those Iranians making the shipping lanes safer, what's the world coming too?

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
Oh wait, I spoke to soon, Israel's Navy is too busy with huge operations like this to bear the cost of helping to police International Shipping Lanes...

Occupied Jerusalem: An Israeli official says Israel's navy has turned back a boat trying to carry pro-Palestinian protesters to the embattled Gaza Strip.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Yigal Palmor says the boat ignored an Israeli radio order to turn back. Palmor says the boat tried to outmaneuver the navy ship and crashed into it, lightly damaging both vessels. The navy then escorted the boat to the territorial waters of Cyprus.

That was the last Israeli Navy article to make the news...

Back on December 30th, I guess they have been resting and reequiping after that brave run in with a 45 foot pleasure craft?

Gulf News

Darn those Iranians making the shipping lanes safer, what's the world coming too?

Oh hey I just noticed the tag line on that article about Israel's brave Navy came from Occupied Jerusalem?

How did Jersualem get occupied? Couldn't have any thing to do with Israel violating it's agreement that Jerusalem would forever remain an open city under the Governance of the Holy See would it?

Now was the Pope a suicide bomber, or was it just a Cardinal or a Priest that led to Israel breaking that agreement?

Go Israel...doing it's best as always to bring about Armegeddon in our life times!

2 bits, 4 bits, 6 bits a dollar, every rabid Israeli and Christian who wants Armegeddon stand up and holler!

Go Israel!

Originally posted by Solomons
reply to post by mrmonsoon

 

Oh come off it and stop talking absolute out and out drivel."life to these people is not the same as it is here." i mean really,you can actually say that with a straight face?

I really do think you just talk garbage about Iran and the ME just for the sake of it sometimes.

I realize you are ignorant on this topic, so I will be happy to educate you...

lets go back to the Iran/Iraq war...
Iran sent in thousands of 13-15 year old boys to fight.....

Lets look @ Iraq with Sadaam and his use of biological weapons on his own people...

Are these two glaring examples enough, or do I need to produce more examples to allow you to open your eyes and see???

Originally posted by Britguy

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
reply to post by Now_Then

 

Would Iran purposely kill hundreds of it's people for political gain...
In a heart beat, remember, life to these people is not the same as it is here.

And you are quite sure of that sweeping statement are you? Spoken to any native Iranians lately about how much they love their families and neighbours? That has to be the most ridiculous statement I have seen in a long time, even by your low (or is that high) standards of ignorance.

brit,

Your support of terrorists is clear, but I will answer your question anyways.

When I referred to Iran happily killing thousands, heck millions of their own people, referred to their religious leaders who run the country.

The average citizen may or may not agree, but they will be arrest and or killed if they disagree (publicly) with their government.

reply to post by mrmonsoon

Are these two glaring examples enough, or do I need to produce more examples to allow you to open your eyes and see???

Could you tell us which country was the only one to use Nuclear weapons on human beings please?

Could you tell us why Israel has Inter Continental Balistic Missiles targeted at the United States?

Oh by the way I am still waiting for a source on how Black September in Jordan suddenly became Hezbollah of Jordan and was kicked out?

Take your time...I know there is important war mongering to be done!

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Originally posted by mrmonsoon
reply to post by Extralien

 

BTW, the article "NO WHERE" mentioned attacking or defending from pirates.

Just a detail we should all notice...

Actually I hate to break it to you but there is!

Iran's counter-piracy efforts "commendable", says IMO chief
London, May 21, IRNA - The International Maritime Organisation (IMO) has praised Iran’s counter-piracy efforts in Somali waters and the Gulf of Aden, calling on the Islamic Republic to extend such “commendable” support to other ships.

Wow, commendable!

Lets see what else they have to say?

Mitropoulos earlier told IRNA that the Islamic Republic of Iran is cooperating at “a high level” with his organisation to combat piracy in the international waters.

“From the point of view of cooperation of the Islamic Republic of Iran with the IMO, I have to say that the standard of cooperation is high and we want to upgrade it in future,” Mitropoulos told IRNA at the sidelines of an April meeting between IMO and the Iranian delegation to sign a memorandum of understanding on further maritime cooperation.

Oh those crazy folks in London actually wanting Iran to cooperate even more and sign an agreement to that effect?

Well what do you know?

Why would they do that?

Iran is an active member of the London-based International Maritime Organisation in its plans to safeguard international waters.

IRNA.com

Now I wonder how many ships Israel has sent to help against the Pirates...can't find an article on that!

Nice article, however it is completly off topic

I was quoting the article referenced in this post, not your unrelated article from a different day.

The article referring to the 6 Iranian ships in no way or place mention pirates.

Just as a side note, what does Iran think it will do with it's 6 ships that dozens of other ships from other countries are not or can not do.

clearly their 6 ships are doing nothing more than their 2 ships, in terms of stopping pirates.

Great, they are part of a maritime group to stop the pirates, what action have they done to help?
How many times have they tried to stop pirates?
how many pirates have they stopped??
How many ships have they saved?
How many ships captured and taken to shore, or close to it, have they recovered or helped recover?

yeah, thats what I thought!




[edit on 5/25/2009 by mrmonsoon]

reply to post by mrmonsoon


Why would you bring up Saddam using biological weapons on his own people as evidence of how little Iranians value life?

I guess when you said "these people" you mean middle eastern people? or people with brown skin? people with accents?

Not to mention the fact that you seem to not care where he even got those F'ing weapons from.

You sir, are being a bigot and a racist.

Maybe it's easy for you to see them all as one big group of people, maybe you don't know any of "these people" yourself. But I can tell you this, where I live the community is full of people from Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, China and yes even Iran and Iraq to name a few.

If the region explodes into an all out war, that war will IMMEDIATELY be felt at home. Because of the ignorant statements like the ones you have made, how am I supposed to show my face on the street without them assuming I want them all dead?

reply to post by mrmonsoon

Nice article, however it is completly off topic

I was quoting the article referenced in this post, not your unrelated article from a different day.

The article referring to the 6 Iranian ships in no way or place mention pirates.

Just as a side note, what does Iran think it will do with it's 6 ships that dozens of other ships from other countries are not or can not do.

clearly their 6 ships are doing nothing more than their 2 ships, in terms of stopping pirates.

Great, they are part of a maritime group to stop the pirates, what action have they done to help?
How many times have they tried to stop pirates?
how many pirates have they stopped??
How many ships have they saved?
How many ships captured and taken to shore, or close to it, have they recovered or helped recover?

yeah, thats what I thought!

Actually it's completely on topic. It was written a few days ago, it would have taken a couple or more days to get more vessels to the area.

Why did the Swiss Navy send a ship?

The Swiss haven't stopped any pirates as of yet.

Why did Blackwater send a ship?

Blackwater hasn't stopped any pirates yet.

Why are there so many ships there?

Could it be that the ocean shipping lanes are vast and hard to patrol without huge numbers?

We know pirate attacks keep happening.

We know that many of the world's navies that have sent ships have yet to engage a pirate attack.

We do know of course also that maritime shipping is very vital to the world's economy and people and that all parties to the Maritime agreements which includes Iran have been asked to help.

We know that there is a lot of propoganda coming out today in regards to N. Koreas nuclear testing.

We know that there is a lot of propoganda trying to tie Iran in to that.

Like this article that made this post.

Now do you have an article that says these ships are not there to combat pirating? A reporter from a respected independent News service not owned by a Rothschild who got an Iranian Captain, diplomat, or Admiral or politician to say...those ships aren't there to stop Pirates and we aren't there in relation to the agreement we just signed to step our efforts?

Has it ever occured to you that because of Iran's close proximity it's easier for them to send and resupply ships than it is say Australia or Brazil?

Omitting facts from News Reports doesn't make pertinent facts non pertinent.

Your understanding of logistics, mutual agreements, and the tedium of patrolling in long ocean grids to detect and encounter hostile forces is almost as impressive as your non-existent source of how Black September in Jordan became Hezbollah in Lebanon.

You could launch a balsa wood propeller airplane with all that twisting!

Originally posted by coincidence_theorist
reply to post by mrmonsoon

 

Why would you bring up Saddam using biological weapons on his own people as evidence of how little Iranians value life?

I guess when you said "these people" you mean middle eastern people? or people with brown skin? people with accents?

Not to mention the fact that you seem to not care where he even got those F'ing weapons from.

You sir, are being a bigot and a racist.

Maybe it's easy for you to see them all as one big group of people, maybe you don't know any of "these people" yourself. But I can tell you this, where I live the community is full of people from Pakistan, India, Sri Lanka, China and yes even Iran and Iraq to name a few.

If the region explodes into an all out war, that war will IMMEDIATELY be felt at home. Because of the ignorant statements like the ones you have made, how am I supposed to show my face on the street without them assuming I want them all dead?

You sir, are painfullu ignorant and I will happily explain to you what is really up.

I said that life in the M.E. is not valued by it's governents as it is in the West.
In case your georgaphy is really that poor, Iraq is in the middle east. as well as Iran.

(Happy to provide your geography lesson)

Sadaam using biological weapons on his own people is a perfect example of the lack or reguard for human life in the M.E.


Your attemp to try to put words in my mouth is a clear sign you have no actual facts to debate, you you are trying to appeal to emotion-"EPIC FAILURE"-


WHERE HE GOT THE WEAPONS FROM IS NOT THE ISSUE, THE ISSUE AS i HAVE HAD TO REPEAT TO YOU NUMEROUS TIMES IS THE LACK OF REGARD FOR LIFE IN THE m.e., BY THEIR GOVERNMENTS!

As far as where you live, you are allowed (unless stopped by your government) to tell the local people you happily support terrorists and murderers.
(I certainly never forbid you, only logic and intelligence does)