Marriage and the Government - 3 in a Bed.

Note: I had this post written quite a while ago but never posted it.
Since reading and participating in this thread (here on ATS) I figured it was as good a time as any to get this out.

Also - I found one thread from a couple of years ago that included the marriage license within the thread - but - no thread directly related to the marriage license - so - here goes.

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June’s almost here - time to buy up the rice folks - it’s Wedding Time.
Taffeta dresses in pustule colors, hairstyles even your mother wouldn’t wear, tight bow-ties and rented tuxes to outfit your best man, Auntie Mae dancing on top of tables and everyone watching the calendar for 9 months from now.
We all know the clichés.
We’ve either been there, done that - caught that bouquet, or seen it on chick flicks.

But what you might have missed was this.

The Wedding License:

History of Marriage Licenses in America

George Washington was married without a marriage license. So, how did we come to this place in America where marriage licenses are issued?

Historically, all the states in America had laws outlawing the marriage of blacks and whites. In the mid-1800's, certain states began allowing interracial marriages or miscegenation as long as those marrying received a license from the state. In other words they had to receive permission to do an act which without such permission would have been illegal.

Blacks Law Dictionary points to this historical fact when it defines "marriage license" as, "A license or permission granted by public authority to persons who intend to intermarry." "Intermarry" is defined in Black's Law Dictionary as, "Miscegenation; mixed or interracial marriages."

Give the State an inch and they will take a 100 miles. Not long after these licenses were issued, some states began requiring all people who marry to obtain a marriage license. In 1923, the Federal Government established the Uniform Marriage and Marriage License Act (they later established the Uniform Marriage and Divorce Act). By 1929, every state in the Union had adopted marriage license laws.

And now? What are the implications (or facts) when using a State Marriage Licensee?

1. What if you apply and the State says "no"? You must understand that the authority to license implies the power to prohibit. A license by definition "confers a right" to do something. The State cannot grant the right to marry. It is a God-given right. It’s a constitutional right - Not a privilege.

2. When you marry with a marriage license, you grant the State jurisdiction over your marriage. When you marry with a marriage license, your marriage is a creature of the State. It is a corporation of the State!. Therefore, they have jurisdiction over your marriage including the fruit of your marriage. What is the fruit of your marriage? Your children - and every piece of property you own. There is plenty of case law in American jurisprudence which declares this to be true.

3. When you marry with a marriage license, you are like a polygamist. From the State's point of view, when you marry with a marriage license, you are not just marrying your spouse, but you are also marrying the State.

There are three parties to that contract:
1.You; 2. Your husband or wife, as the case may be; and 3. the State of your residence.

You are not just marrying your spouse, you are marrying the State. You are not just making a vow to your spouse, but you are making a vow to the State and your spouse.
You are also giving undue jurisdiction to the State.

4. The marriage license invades and removes God-given parental authority.
Historically, there was no requirement to obtain a marriage license in colonial America.
When you read the laws of the colonies and then the states, you see only two requirements for marriage.
First, you had to obtain your parents permission to marry, and second, you had to post public notice of the marriage 5-15 days before the ceremony.

Notice you had to obtain your parents permission.

(Now) By issuing marriage licenses, the State is saying, "You don't need your parents permission, you need our permission." If parents are opposed to their child's marrying a certain person and refuse to give their permission, the child can do an end run around the parents authority by obtaining the State's permission, and marry anyway. This is an invasion and removal of God-given parental authority by the State.

(Where some might argue at the freedom of being able to marry without parental permission - is it so much better having parents replaced by the State)?

You should not have to obtain a license from the State to marry someone anymore than you should have to obtain a license from the State to be a parent, which some in academic and legislative circles are currently pushing to be made law.

link to info.

peace


[edit on 20-5-2009 by silo13]

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Thanks for posting this... I have always believed that the Government really should have no say in the relationships of consenting adults and it really is an eye opening fact that these licenses are a hold over from the days of slavery/segregation...

I never quite understood marriage, why was it ever invented? The only theory I can come up with is that at some point in our history men wanted to essentially OWN their mates and marriage was a way of saying "this dame is my territory bub!" and that it was only with later refinement that it became a romantic/social union... It always seemed like a strange tradition, if I want to be together with someone I'll be together with that person, no need to get religion or the government involved and no reason for messy paperwork and lawyer fees if it all ends badly...

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From what I understand all throughout history marriage is nothing more than a *tool*.
Perpetuate the species - follow a bloodline - keep people in line - money...

Interestingly enough in a (many) matriarchal societies where all children were welcomed and cherished - the Mother was the figurehead and children were followed through the line of their Mother, siblings from shared mothers not fathers. Why? You always knew who the Mother was but not with any degree of certainty your father.

In my opinion when societies went patriarchal - weddings were a must.

Like you said *She’s mine* headset - down to *that child is mine* - farther down to the inheritance issues, arranged marriages to combine land masses, arranged marriages as a monetary issues, etc.
In ancient Greece it was status.
Ancient Egypt, so on.
It seems every culture ancient or not, the contract basis of marriage was for control, status and financial reasons.

I’d like to research more the old Hebrew reasons, biblical reasons and report back., but, I’ll probably find the same thing. For control, money and status.



[edit on 20-5-2009 by silo13]

That was really interesting, thanks!

From this, seeing how George Washington got married without a license, can others do that as well? Or does everyone in the US need one before they get married?

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hi silo13
I am to be married to my girlfriend and the state in a couple of months time. it is a warm feeling to know that they will be privy and as accountable to me as i am to them!
warm regards cdi.

It is so important more Americans become aware of the often sinister nature of our Laws.

We are too often tricked into basically signing Contracts like Marraige and Birth Certificates that either cede our lives to the State or our children's lives to the State.

Our Corporate Government looks to supercede Constitutional Law with Contractual Law each and every chance they get.

Still to this day in the State of Florida (This is where I live and I am not sure about other States) one of the acceptable proofs of Birth and Name is registry of your name in a Family Bible and for those who have no Birth Certificate bringing along your Family Bible that shows the date of your Birth and Name and is considered along with one other form of identification from a long list, valid proof of your Birth and Name.

This of course raised two important questions.

One...What exactly does a Birth Certificate accomplish as it registers you ulitimately with the U.S. Department of Commerce suggesting that we are all part of or property of some type of Commerce regarding Human Beings (slavery).

Two...what exactly happened to Seperation of Church and State where not only is Proof of Birth legitimately accepted by simple registry only in one's Family Bible, but a Court System where we are asked to swear an oath "To tell the Truth the Whole Truth so help me G-d"?

That suggests the Courts for most people the highest power in the land and one that can at times have a very huge impact on the course of your life but that of your children too...is part of the Holy Roman Empire system of Templar Law.

Further the practice of Contractual Law (also a product of Roman Empire Templar Law) in the form of Birth Certificates and Marraige Licenses superceded Constitutional Law in the Court System.

As the New World Order rapidly descends upon us in more and more obvious and intrusive ways, Americans need to wake up to the fact that when you look at the White House, the Capitol, the Washington Monument they are all monuments to Rome, Roman power and Roman Glory.

When you look at the back of your One Dollar Bill that inscription is in Latin the tongue of Rome. That "In G-d We Trust" is the G-d of the Holy Roman Empire, and our States and our Union seem to only recognize two forms of Law when it comes to applying it to the citizens "Holy Roman Empire Law" place your hand on the Bible and swear to the court, and Contractual Law/Maritime Law "Roman Empire Law".

The romance and lore of our forefathers aside and the Constitution and the Bill of Rights which is trampled on by our Government every day America needs to come to crips that we are just another Roman State where the majority of people are Slaves.

Great post Original Poster, big star and big flag for you! Thanks.

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hi silo13
I am to be married to my girlfriend and the state in a couple of months time. it is a warm feeling to know that they will be privy and as accountable to me as i am to them!
warm regards cdi.

Best Wishes to You and your Fiance!

I hope you have a most wonderful wedding day and the rest of your life together is blessed with so much love and joy!

That's the best thing we can all do - do our best to live and love and whoever doesn't like it - *Bleep* them!

AUGURI!!!

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That suggests the Courts for most people the highest power in the land and one that can at times have a very huge impact on the course of your life but that of your children too...is part of the Holy Roman Empire system of Templar Law.

Further the practice of Contractual Law (also a product of Roman Empire Templar Law) in the form of Birth Certificates and Marriage Licenses superceded Constitutional Law in the Court System.

Wow - what a post!

Thank you for adding some fabulous information - and insight.
Talk about really making this thread shine, thank you.

As for the quote above, I want to research it more and learn more -

Thanks again!