You Tube Free Speech Purge Accelerates, Infowarrior Channel Banned

Yes, Google can do whatever it wants with it's websites, but that is not really the point here. They are obviously in bed with the New World Order. Google CEO Eric Schmidt was at last year's Bilderberg meeting in Chantilly, Virginia, and I wouldn't be surprised if he is at the Bilderberg meeting this weekend in Greece.

You don't even understand what free speech is. Free speech is the right to say it. Free speech does not include free media coverage for everything you say.


looks like sour grapes to me Alex...

www.google.com...

[edit on 13-5-2009 by jprophet420]

Originally posted by schrodingers dog
Guys I am a little perplexed by everyone responses and indignation.

Don't get me wrong, I think it sucks that youtube sensors it's own site but so do most on the internet, including infowars. You can't find cows on skateboards there you know.

Since when did youtube become a public service outlet?

It is a private company controlling it's content that's all. ATS does the same for its own reasons.

Sure it's very convenient, but we are not entitled to anything we want, and it isn't internet censorship. Internet censorship would be if the Alex Jones sites were taken down, all this does is decentralize information not withdraw it, and all it means is one has to use a search engine to find information instead of simply going to youtube.

Why do you think Anonymous isn't going after this? Because there is a difference between a private company managing its product and a third party being able to control its product like scientology did.

In any case as indignant you may be, please don't also be surprised.

Excellent point.

People must come to realize that the internet is NOT a venue for free speech UNLESS YOU ARE THE PROVIDER OF THE SERVICE. (And the government reserves the right to revoke that freedom.)

Anywhere you go, any site, must be 'hosted' and with that hosting comes shared liability (so they say) so they reserve the right to control your media.

It's their bandwidth, it's their medium.

I'm not saying it's right, or proper, or even desirable, but that's how business wants it. And in this world of the 21st century, at least for now, they own the medium.

The current paradigm of communications over ANY medium other than empty space between two or more people, has destroyed the principle of freedom to express oneself. There are arguments for and against this paradigm. Most of the 'for' arguments are about revenue, profit, and liability. Most of the con arguments are about - roughly speaking - morality.

Morality is the weakest argument, in almost every case.

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it ain't just AJ a lot of anti-NWO channels are having view counts suspended,channels closed down, comments disabled and videos being overwritten with pro government adverts. they are stepping up the attack they don't care anymore!

Loyal listeners to Alex Jones know months, years, days before what is coming. He warned everyone..while his mockers laugh, ridicule and criticize..Whether it is the banning of the internet, vitamins, gardens, guns, citizens rights or false flag attacks and pandemics.
But the mockers will be crying too when they figure it out..It just takes some people longer to add 1+1..
But to the Hardheads and know it alls..you will soon witness the Death of Humanity by psychopath world leaders and no one will be left to save you....SO KEEP ON LAUGHING!

[edit on 13-5-2009 by Wideawake08]

I don't see it as YouTUBE eliminating free speech, I see it as YouTUBE getting rid of videos that are nothing more than unpaid commercials and/or product promotions.

I mean, why would anyone want to pay for advertising on YouTUBE when everyone else is posting videos promoting their products for free?

If someone were using my website to hawk their goods, I'd probably do the same thing.

Alex Jones had his ownself kicked of YouTube in order to sell more of his fear mongering CDs and to up the traffic at his website. Everytime he's kicked off a website for advertising his products he yells I've been censored, I've been censored and makes a ton of cash, when in reality he broght it upon himself and relies on peoples ingnorance to not see what really happened. YouTube is not a free speech website. Never has been never will be. And if anyone of us had a website like YouTube and you had someone that kept posting videos or comments directing people to their website or selling their cheesy products without paying a dime for advertising you would kick them off too. Alex Jones relies on Fear, Ignorance and Religion to sell himself and his product and he has become very wealthy doing just that.

I have used Google for many years but as a result of this censoring crap, my family will no longer use Google as our search engine. It's as simple as that, you start censoring us....I censor you from my family's usage. Google= outta here! I beseech the rest of you to do the same to send a message. When they see their usage plummet, maybe they will discontinue this. There are other search engine anyway.Google only got that big anyway because of media hype, and probably to get so depended upon just so they can do this stuff. This is a silent claim by Google that they are "all powerful" and that their agenda outweighs the wants of the public. They are now NWO.

Originally posted by Eyesa2diffcolors
I agree they should not ban AJ, no one should be silenced. I also believe him to be part of project Mocking Bird. His goal is to create FEAR. Watch this video of an interview he did with Peter Joseph creater of ZEITGEIST. This will change most peoples mind on what AJ is realy about. If he did not serve a purpose for the government he would not be on national radio. He would not get major corporate advertisers like he does. His goal is to help create hate and fear in my opinion.

www.youtube.com...

Eyes...your reply is without any substance behind it. It is not that difficult to obtain advertisers for any venture that will yield exposure, the key is to have a real good salesman to pitch the media buyers from potential clients companies.

Alex Jones does use, "attention" grabbing tactics that do border on the edge of what dissenters here will call, "fear mongering", but in reality these are tactics that are necessary for any radio, TV, or media based show, in order to keep the attention of listeners, which in turn allows him to intake revenues from advertising, which allows him to do what he does full time.
While I don't always agree with Alex Jones's methods, delivery, content, and over all modus operandi. I do feel that he believes in what he is doing, he has stuck to the same ideology since he first started with Infowars, so you have to give him kudos for that.
There are not many people that can, or are willing do to what he has in the name of public information and fighting the establishment. He keeps on going and going.

On the issue of youtube and censorship, I could smell this "crackdown" coming when they started deleting all the UFO stuff last year (Particularly acebryan...); however, Like some have mentioned in earlier posts, Youtube is a privately owned company. Therefore, they have the absolute right to remove anything thing please, even if it contrasts with the mission statement they started their venture with and upsets many ATS & Infowars users. I personally think their tactics are laced with horse-crap, censorship, and are very big-brother-ish; however, again, they can do what they want with their servers.

Originally posted by Flighty


I think it's really important that conspiracy theorists find an alternative source that hasn't been bought out.

BetterStream.com

I've had YouTube permanently suspend two of my previous accounts, and it sucks. There's no explanation, no arbitration, nobody you can call or write to plead your case. You just log in one day and all your hard work, not to mention your contacts, your "favorites" list, your sent and received messages, subscribers and friends list are just... gone.

It's heartbreaking and cruel.

So now I upload all my stuff to the above-referenced site, including stuff which YouTube would delete in a heartbeat. BetterStream is owned an operated by a guy who hates corporate media with a passion.

The video and sound quality, not to mention the fast upload, processing, and streaming times, are so much faster that YouTube should really be embarrassed.

If conspiracy theorists are looking for a web site to upload their videos to, might I suggest... um...

Here?

ATS does have a media portal, now. I'd be pretty surprised if ATS filtered conspiracy content, considering it is a conspiracy web site.

YouTube, as a private company, can control what it broadcasts. That being said, their reasons given for banning the Alex Jones channels are patently false. They cited some bogus copyright claims that are not even legal. Now that they have banned TheInfoWarrior channel as well, which could not have possibly had the same complaints issued against it, we can clearly see that YouTube is deciding which information is acceptable for their corporate model. I have seen plenty of other channels attacked for bringing up less incendiary information. YouTube is, I believe, the 5th most visited website on the internet. If they do not wish to lose a substantial part of their viewership, and if we wish to reach as many people as possible with our information, then we need to take a stand on this issue. YouTube has the right to do this, but we also have a right to protest it.

Time to boycott youtube

Not suppirsing at all. Youtube is slowly becoming just a collection of comercials. I do think that youtube should be purged of total crap everyonce in a while, i mean they have a comments section. It is beyond me why people need to make webcam video comments in response to videos they see. However Alex Jones has a respectable size fanbase and viewers and deserves the right to be heard. Have you guys seen the T&Cs of youtube? pretty short and straight forward.

Originally posted by elderban
I don't see it as YouTUBE eliminating free speech, I see it as YouTUBE getting rid of videos that are nothing more than unpaid commercials and/or product promotions.

I mean, why would anyone want to pay for advertising on YouTUBE when everyone else is posting videos promoting their products for free?

If someone were using my website to hawk their goods, I'd probably do the same thing.

I wondered this as well.

I think AJ is a fearmonger, even if he is right some of the time. I think he's more than a little loony. But, even loons can have a youtube page.

Before I make a negative judgment about youtube, I want to know the reasons for them getting rid of him. For all we know, they had a valid reason (like the above poster pointed out).

Also, I'm sure AJ is milking this whole censorship as everyone's out to get me-- fear, fear, fear. I wouldn't put it past him to have gotten banned on purpose.

Tubeless Drama

Speaking only for myself, not anyone else, and definitely not ATS, I find cases like these to be rather suspicious.

Yeah sure, maybe YouTube is operating under some sort of sinister master plan "at the behest of their corporate masters". I mean hey, you never know. There's a lot of that going around.

A more credible explanation is that Mr. Jones' channels were operating in violation of the YouTube Terms of Service. Exactly what the details may be are sort of vague, since the source article is rather light on those, and we're definitely not getting both sides of the story here.

And hey, maybe Mr. Jones honestly doesn't know what the real problem is. Maybe YouTube isn't being forthcoming with him. There's definitely more to the story, and I don't feel like I'm getting a full and honest accounting of what's really going on.

Maybe I'm just biased because I've seen ATS end up on the receiving end of these same sorts of accusations far too many times to count over the years -- invariably from people who have either never read the ATS terms & conditions or insist on some sort of "right" to violate them.

You can call them on it, point out the problem, quote the T&C, explain things until you're blue in the face and try to work out a reasonable solution, and they'll respond by going postal, spamming the boards with blatant lies and trying to intimidate you into letting them do what they want. After a while, the pattern becomes unmistakable.

If Mr. Jones wants to work things out with YouTube honestly, calling for people to troll the site is a losing strategy. Seriously, why the hell would YouTube want to allow people to use their service to bash YouTube? Why would they restore the accounts of a guy who's openly calling for disruption of their service?

How does that make sense?

There's a difference between "rights" and entitlements. In this case, Mr. Jones seems to think his sense of entitlement is more important than the rights of others. Yes, even the people who run YouTube have rights. The idea that they shouldn't is offensive to the fundamental concept of a free society.

Granted, I am not privy to the dirty details in this case, and maybe what Mr. Jones claims is entirely true, but his own claims and behavior undermine his suggestion that the only party at fault here is YouTube.





(Just my personal opinion, nothing more.)

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I agree with you on this, completely. As a privately-owned site, Youtube can remove any content they want.. and there is nothing that can be done about it.

If I was running a Pitbull blog for owners to read the latest news, and talk about their beloved pets.... and then someone came in, and started flaming and insulting pitbulls and their owners... it would be my responsibility to remove them. And suggest they find an anti-pitbull website for their hatred to be posted on.

Sorry guys, 'free speech' is cool, but Alex Jones can only control his own domains. YouTube has NO obligation to carry content they do not agree with. Alex knows this, and is trying to get attention. He can ONLY control his OWN DOMAINS.

reply to post by Majic


You're right, and as long as YouTube allows all the soft porn you can handle and that idiot kid with the helium voice to rule their site, I'm a happy camper. Real information should not interfere with the demoralization of the masses, IMHO of course.

You know I love ya Majic.

Peace




[edit on 13-5-2009 by Dr Love]

Just because Youtube CAN remove his account, doesn't mean that it's right, especially with some of the crap that's on there. Obviously he's being targeted because of controversial views. I doubt that he violated anything.

Well i just was thinking. Alex Jones would not last on ATS. Do you think mods would stand for his posting style AND all the adds for his site and his forum? Now i do not think it is a huge deal. His fans go to his site and watch his videos and show. Youtube was not meant to be a cheap way of havig a free website that hosts all your videos and gives you private messaging at no cost to you. I think youtube is more for the home user type and people that want to put money up to make sure their adds stay up. I do not think that youtube wanted to be used as a soapbox. i was reading some more of their rules.
you are not allowed to put up.
"Political & Religious Content:
Inflammatory or exploitative uses of political or religious issues "