Asking The Universe--It Works

reply to post by tothetenthpower


I think we are on different pages of the same book

Maybe its how i say it?

and i understand fully what you are saying but please understand you was created.. and nothing spiritual will every change that

and i am far from silly thanks

reply to post by symmetricAvenger


I meant silly in a nice way .

And yes I was created, so was everything we see or anything you will ever encounter in all the lives your soul will lead.

However, I refuse to believe that a single entity created it all, seems a little much don't you think?

I can understand how some people would want to believe that notion, it most definetly makes things easier to bare in this unforgiving loneliness. But my experiences have forced me to believe and I do so quite happily, that there are much greater energies and entities at work than a single one we call "god".

Perhaps I align more with a contemporary version of the Greek Gods. That might explain my point a bit more. Mind you I would not antropomorphize them as "human", but as it's own seperate energy with it's own seperate path.

And yes I do believe we are in the same book friend.

~Keeper

reply to post by tothetenthpower


one thing did create it all

But its not god as many think.. You see god is mans creation mans lack of understanding

The method of the function and the creation of it is what we are

all life is connected all life is needed all life will question, what question is the problem many do not ask

the question is what connects all life for its the answer to the question IT is asking.

people think a tree is different.. why? because it does not ask question?

I can assure you a tree asks questions but its always the right one ; )

unlike us

[edit on 11-5-2009 by symmetricAvenger]

reply to post by symmetricAvenger hello SA, sit down and have a cup of tea whlie i tell you that God does ask questions, please don't ask me to back this up at this moment i'm no jack van impe but i do know that in the Bible God ask's adam and eve "how do you know you are naked"
"did you eat from the tree of knowledge" He ask's Cain "where is your brother Abel" He ask's alot of questions through out the OT. but i believe He knew the answers already to these questions.
sorry OP: i know you didn't want this to get religious but your talking about infinity or just our little universe? it's like cereal and milk when you talk of God and infinity or whatever word you use as to whom created us and put us here and has the power to do as He pleases. you want to question that? you want to see his power? keep asking him questions instead of just enjoying life to its fullest.




[edit on 11-5-2009 by echodogene]

reply to post by echodogene


You see, this is why it is so hard to discuss this topic.

I am not talking to a being, I am not asking anything of one entity. I am asking the collective energies, that eminate from whatever it is that creates and maintains all of this.

It's more of an experiment really. I firmly believe that we shape our own realities. The only way to do is a to verbally imput our thoughts and give them a chance to manifest themselves.

The way I go about this feat is to simply do things during a state of higher conciousness brought on by meditation and opening of the Third Eye. During these experiences where you are at one with your soul and able to interact with the various higher powers at work withint our own dimension and others.

It's a very confusing topic..

~Keeper

reply to post by tothetenthpower i realize this is a hard topic to discuss without God. but if your talking about all creation then it would seem that we are all in this together but something had to have put us here and whoever that was should be loved and worshiped and hopefully have a spiritual relationship with. i think you would get further by accepting our creater for what he did instead of why he did it. you are trying to take the universe, infinity and seperate it from itself. the creater is a part of everything out there, on earth and inside
this talk could go on for hours and we'd be right back here where we started, it is a good thread but to keep it on track the way you want to will be difficult. read some of SA's threads/posts, i guarentee you will see where he is coming from

edit: spell check


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reply to post by tothetenthpower yes, very confusing, i feel there is a reason that third eye is shut, you don't know where you're going or if you'll come back to the right dimention or if you will even be the same. i definately believe in other dimentions and am interested in parallell universes, i will find out when it is my time to cross over

reply to post by echodogene


thanks for that i know you understand what i mean



how about that cup of tea? hehe

reply to post by echodogene


You see your idea of the creator, and my idea of the creator are two very different things my friend.

I cannot believe that it is a single entity, to me that makes to sense. No ammoun of spiritual or empiracal evidence has been presented to me to prove otherwise.

I don't pretend to know what the universe is made up of, or who created it, really I preach the gospel of I don't know. I don't think we are equipped has human beings to understand the creator unless we've fully understood the creations made by such higher powers.

But that's another thread. My views on this matter differ greatly from yours as from what I can gather you believe in the man made created ideo of "god", which is in total opposite to mine.

~Keeper

reply to post by tothetenthpower


I read in a magazine about asking the cosmos for things, for example a new job or a new realtionship. About two years ago I had some money troubles after the school I was teaching at closed, so I asked ( rather selfishly and with more than a little guilt) for some cash, not alot, but enough to help me until a new job came along. I swear it must have been two days, and a letter came through the post saying my credit card limit had been increased by $2,000. It was just what I needed, and although it wasn't a windfall or in any way free, in some ways it seemed a very noble way of helping me out.

Coincidence, maybe, but I like to think not!

I hope that is kind of the thing you were asking about!

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reply to post by tothetenthpower

I cannot believe that it is a single entity, to me that makes to sense. No ammoun of spiritual or empiracal evidence has been presented to me to prove otherwise.

This is why the world is a mess...

what does not make sens? that you are able to question?

Do you not understand the very question IS what binds all life?

prove what? that your mind has no shape and its the very same thing as the universe?

do you not see symmetry in life? do you think one mans mind is another mans not?

hmm

you see the point i am making is that LIFE yes including little old you and me and every other life form

asks questions! its a self replication of the very thing you chose to ignore my friend


The universe is a physical representation of a question...

And you wonder why we have infinity? well stop asking why and you will find out.

Death and my life changed more than you can possibley imagen and it has nothing to do with US or our self obsseive little egos but it has everything to do with that the function of LIFE IS

tell me? What do you think life is here for? to just BE? i can tell you now that is VERY VERY WRONG

no matter how much you wish to connect with whatever you think you are.. IT does not care

BUT it does Require YOU to be here in order for IT to get its own Answers Understand that

then look out the window.. and understand why our planet is the shape it is


UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION NOT THE ANSWERS it helps

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Alright then,

I've been wanting to write about this for a little while now, but didn't quite know how well it would be received here on ATS. Now this is not in association with the Secret or any other BS money grabbing idea.

The idea that, as human beings we project our own realities to me is a fundemental one. Each action creates a reaction which in term leads to another action and so on.

Usually humans will go about their lives simply living in the moment, deciding that we are not in control of fate or the mundane activities we go through and experience every day.

I think that at the core, this idea prevents us from moving upward in the evolutionary as well as the spiritual hierarchy of the universe. In order to truly be humans, in order to truly enjoy our experience here, however short or long it might be, we must embrace our realities and attempt to change them when possible to create a more positive environment.

Mind you I am only at the early phases of testing my theory, I've been doing it for about 2 years now with my calculations I get about 32% success rate. Here is how it works.

I'm a very avid spiritualist, I meditate 2 sometimes 3 times a day if I am really troubled and searching for an answer. Lately I've decided that instead of conversing with my inner self, I take a few moments to converse with the Universe itself.

Being a child of this universe, I'm thinking I have the right to give it suggestions or ask for certain things to get done on my behalf. Simple requests, for good days, good weather, perhaps some guidance with my children.

Anyway, I have been asking the universe a single favor, every day for 2 years give or take a few months. Everyday a different thing, but all things I want to happen in that specific day.

I wonder have any other ATS members ever asked the universe for something and got it? As far as my experience goes this works wonderfully, even if only 30% of the time.

What say you ATS?

~Keeper

Hello keeper, you are on a right track although not seen vividly but trekked upon with certainty.

If you do not go to believe what I say please do not waste energy with negative words.

Everything is ruled by Divine Law, this divine law is created by the Divine One, not him or her. The Divine One penetrates everything and is benevolent.

The Universe is a living entity and it nourishes all that is within it.

This physical Universe has a mind, the Universal Mind, we are all apart of it. It creates all that we observe physically therefor visualisation is successful if becoming one with it's great conciousness.

You too if dialed into it's conciousness can create, within boundries, just as it creates.

Therefor look into yourself, don't let anyone guide you away, focus on ONLY yourself for the Universal Mind is within all of us.
You must apply Divine Law to EVERYTHING you do , not just acts of meditation, understand kharma as it is a far greater impact than you could imagine.

I.e. If someone dies a slow painful death with cancer it is deserved in some aspect and sounds harsh, but is apart of the bigger picture!

If you are successful at applying the Divine Law to all acts of your life you will not have to live through all aspects of life for it is pointless(reincarnation).

The answers are attracted to you they are not hidden, knowledge strives to meet you.

Added - This is a prison, and people who believe in the contrary will never escape!


[edit on 11-5-2009 by Psychonaughty]

reply to post by Psychonaughty


Well for one I try not to respond with negavity as that only breads more negavity. Everybody has a right to their opinion and their views of how things work.

That being said, I agree with your concept of the Divine Law. It is something I have been studying for years and perhaps I should have included it during my OP.

I am very happy you brought it up, my whole thread is really based upon that fact that the cosmic conciousness we are a part of is manipulated by individuals who are aware of it's existance and operate within it's boarders.

Again thank you, perhaps this will give others some insight on my views.

Edit To Add: I also think it quite amusing that some people are attempting to "school" me in spirituality when I've probably been doing and researching it longer than they've been alive .

~Keeper

[edit on 5/11/2009 by tothetenthpower]

reply to post by tothetenthpower

That being said, I agree with your concept of the Divine Law.

and im sure by your meaning of schooling you are refairing to me..

look i know you think this spirtiualtiy and resarch is meaningfull to you but what happen to me was more than i can say on ats as it has no words...its a feeling greater than ones own self importance but let me point out one thing you said

Divine Law

that is the question

you can not escape it nore can you get the answer to it for its not you place to ask

and maybe you have been alive longer than me but that does not make you any more aware than someone who has died been put back in this # hole in order to give a message

the question IS the answer and i will not fail nore shall my path be un guided in my message

I will be civil i will understand you i will even give you a star

but thats being human and in all regards WE are not what we think we are...

the OP asked if asking the universe can provide US with things

is it wrong to say you are the one asking? is it wrong to say the one asking the question knows the answers ?

the universe is a question what makes you think IT cares? or were does "spirituality" fit in?

they are the Ego of man to think this

when i died in my sleep i was given the answer why? i don't know or care but i can assure you what i say is true and honest.

spirituality its self is a load of junk...

reply to post by symmetricAvenger


Your opinion is yours.

Though, would it not be sad if you are stuck here for many incarnations without any escape as you only accept the physical and not the spritiual?

Try looking within yourself for answers, the body is simply a prison it is nothing more, it is not what you are, only what binds you into this realm, when becoming tuned in it will be hard, for the body is of physical nature and will strive for the opposite, respect the body and it will be recognized.

Think, as if you are playing a game, you are given a set of rules that cannot be changed (Physics, mathematics, etc...) as if everything is a set of building blocks and we are just playing with them.


Also, I wanted to add I missed a part in my reading of the OP's post, visualisation doesnt always work for everyone.

You must be benevolent and live under Divine Law with EVERYTHING you do, say, express. You can't just sit down after robbing a bank and hope to tune in.

This will progress you spritually for it is how progressed you are that dictates how visualisation works, you must be like the Universal Mind to be with the Universal Mind, get my drift?

Also, Keeper, this reading helped me out alot, and by far feels as if it is the most truth as it seems to accompany my beliefs.

read it and tell me what you think (It's Q'S and A'S)

www.scribd.com...



[edit on 11-5-2009 by Psychonaughty]

reply to post by symmetricAvenger


You assume I have never died before...interesting.

You see, I am what they call an old soul. I have lived on this planet for generations, have died and been reborn, have loved and have lost. Just like all other souls on this planet, this is not new.

However the difference is that I remember who I once was, there are obvious pieces missing, but I've been able to remember a sufficient ammount to understand my path and the reasons behind my un-usually large cycle.

This will most likely be the last time my soul walks this particular plane of existance, I have the feeling there are greater things in store for me after this tangeant of my existance is finally over.

I COMPLETELY and utterly understand and accepty our reasoning behind what you say. You are not wrong, your experiences have simply led you down a slightly different path than mine has.

I know I will see you later on, and we will laugh at this little argument we've had over the past couple of days.

I want to ask however, perhaps not here on the boards but in U2U. I would like to know about your experience in dying, and what it is you were given, and the message you are here to give.

I am highly interested, as I've been in your shoes, been dead for over 5 minutes and revived. It was the most spiritual experience I've ever had, I don't know how yours could have been perceived differently which is why I am curious.

~Keeper

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by silent thunder
I think that it should be obvious to most people there is something wrong with this line of thinking, which is why I've found books like "The Secret" and so on to be odious and spiritually noxious. The idea that we control our circumstances solely by controling the content of our minds strikes me as rather infantile. "If I close my eyes and think happy thoughts, the problem goes away. If I confront a problem head-on and acknowledge it, that's just being a "downer" and manifesting negative energy." This kind of extreme subjectivisim can lead to serious denial of all sorts of problems, in addition to the trap of blaming the less fortunate for their sad circumstances.

Who is there to talk about "sad circumstances" except you when you're around to "down" it yourself?

There are monks that have no possessions, certainly no jobs, nothing, just the clothes on their backs and their minds, and many of the same ones are amongst the most joyful people you would ever meet in your life.

I have a feeling the idea of that kind of simplicity also scares you, because you have been misled into valuing empty things. If you overvalue your job, your possessions, etc., you are bound to be upset when things happen to them, and bound to be reluctant to stop caring about them as well. Literally, you are BOUND to them in general. If you live for what are ultimately material desires, in our society, and you don't get them, you're just screwed. Your happiness would depend solely on your accumulation of things, securing money, etc. Obviously there is more to life than that, and in reality those things are totally meaningless.

It's not hard to NOT be upset, to NOT be negative, when you don't set yourself up for it. It takes no energy from me whatsoever to be optimistic, it comes naturally, because I realize that things ARE good. The pessimistic attitudes you express are the emotional equivalent of "lies" to me, they're personal feelings that don't resonate with me at all. If we don't need "think happy thoughts," as you mock it, then I still don't want any of what you're having. It's not denial, it's acceptance, being indifferent. I was the one who suggested earlier that we always seek a better understanding than the one we already possess. I have no problem with facing facts.

Ever beem to upcpuntryl Laos? Angola? Namibia? The shantitowns of Lagos, Nigeria, where terrified captive prostotutes write the name of their god over and over on the wall in their own menses because that is all they have? Ever watched a slat-thin captive Thai pesant girl who has been illegally transported to Tokyo stoop to drink toxic water from as street gutter because she knows that if she asks her boss for time off to get a glass ofwster, she'll be beten.

I seen these things. They hsppen every day over most of the planet, alnog with far worse than I'll ever (hopefully, I wish selfishly) see.

No offense, kind sir or madam, but to sugget that these all-too-frequent events are somehow the fault of the voictims for failing to msanifesdt the correct positive eminations or whatever strikes me as truly grotesque. I have great belief in the esoteric and the mystical, and as a multi-decade Buddhist in Asia, I have in many ways given my life for these views. But not for this view.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


If you are an old soul than make this your last stay in this place!

Free yourself go back to true and real being!

-Psychonaught.

reply to post by Psychonaughty


I read the supposed "disclosure" that you mentioned. And although the idea of Divine Law is true, this person was in no way an ancient or somebody from the ruling bloodlines.

These people who are a part of that, do not under any circumstance intervene on message boards or release information to people like that.

Anybody who believes in such things has lenghtened their stay on this planet.

And yes this is my last time here, as a human being that is, I am sure to return to help cultivate the next batch of souls into a higher experience, but that's for me and my soul to work out.

~Keeper

reply to post by tothetenthpower


Indeed, though it seems to flow perfectly with my guide lines towards spiritual enlightenment thats why I posted it.

It provides the PERFECT point that all who seek enlightenment should understand, focus on yourself.

Although I'm very introvert towards everyone including mainstream media and articles, it would seem that this person by far speaks perfect truth that is why I question such interesting statements.

He/she also points out not to believe what he/she says nor what anyone says, for that is not worth anything, you must learn for yourself and through yourself.

I just portray this person to people who need a small spark in guidance for the words said are appropriate in such a matter of seeking.

Also it is very odd (I remember 4 years ago when it was happening live), that this persons proxy's kept being deleted and the GodLikeProductions.com Cheif of Operations didn't understand how or what was causing the posts to dissappear.

Also too add the whole point of the elite family(s) is to provide us with tools as said, this person is doing just that with simply vague and useless answers that really spark up questions and nothing more, real or not it seems on the contrary of non authentic.

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