**Video** Prophetic cartoon 50 years old about freedom and capitalism.

I thought that this a great lesson that used to be taught but now is heresy.

Hope you enjoy.

Must have missed that meeting, where we've signed an "ism" contract.

Brilliant video, perhaps AJ should have sent that to Obama instead of his rant to the WashHouse.

Have a star my friend.

Edit:
Thinking about it, perhaps there is real validity in proof of ownership of ones self. What has any corporation or government got over any human, a signature, that's it! Perhaps Mary Croft's pdf has real meaning compared to that "ism" contract which they believe cedes any liberty or freedom.

[edit on 4-5-2009 by PrisonerOfSociety]

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Cool video! Maybe someone could update it and put Obama as the snake oil salesman???

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I think that he is just the latest in a long chain of snake oil salesmen...

It is a sad state of affairs when you realize that we have been herded into exactly the position that this little cartoon warns us about.

This Government NEEDS to crash!!! We then could put this country back on the origional path. A path where each person was RESPONSIBLE for themselves. A path where if you succeded or you failed,there was no one to blame but yourself.

We must do away with the nanny state mentality,become self-reliant as we should have always been!!!

The ending was pretty creepy when the guy was standing in the "state concentration camp".

* @ 8:35

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I guess the ''ism'' koolaid has been well and truly drunk!! The States have been bought, sold and possibly paid for with the taxpayers the greatest recipients of the blow-back that is to follow!
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lol - ''where's your warrants, flatfoots'' - I guess if the cops produced a tazer and said, ''here it is'' that would have been erm, extremely prophetic. lol

That was stupid frankly and it wasn't prophetic, its basically describing capitalism and fears of socialism/communism. I don't feel like trusting a cartoon when it comes to getting good information.

They fail to mention or predict our trade deficit, sky high debt, farm subsities, how poorly students rank compared to out countries ect. We don't have capitalism now or for the past many years since it requires government regulation to keep it functioning, and that hasn't happened. Working capitalist system is the best there is I'd say, but we don't and won't get that.

The whole point of the cartoon was to point out what could be if we succumbed to "ISMS" and what he need to have a firm grasp on, freedom. So many have chosen to give up their freedom in exchange for security which I believe is contrary to the American dream. Isn't the American dream the ability to make the most of yourself?? Now it seems that it is the ability to simply tread water in a river that takes you inevitably towards a waterfall...

I can't watch it right now, youtube blocked.
Can anyone tell me what is said overall?

Originally posted by ghaleon12
That was stupid frankly and it wasn't prophetic, its basically describing capitalism and fears of socialism/communism. I don't feel like trusting a cartoon when it comes to getting good information.

They fail to mention or predict our trade deficit, sky high debt, farm subsities, how poorly students rank compared to out countries ect. We don't have capitalism now or for the past many years since it requires government regulation to keep it functioning, and that hasn't happened. Working capitalist system is the best there is I'd say, but we don't and won't get that.

Evidently you didn't get the point. In a way it did address these problems.
Read between the lines. When this country turned its back on interdependence and self-reliance,it all started to unravel.
"Isims" are essentially government programs like "farm subsidies" Where production limits are in place not to help farmers,(as they would have you believe) It is to raise the profits of the export tarriffs on inflated commidity prices.

Ah, but there are still many ignorant folk all over the world who swallow the ISMS or "the worker's party"...

Yes, this video is as prophetic as all those people who have come from truly Socialist/Communist nations and have warned westerners as to what was afoot, and the goals those in command of the ISMS had for the world, which includes getting everyone in their pockets, including the rich, to get control over the whole world.

The Permanent Revolution (World Communism) will be implemented under the New World Order, and One World Government.

[edit on 5-5-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

One person's Hitler is another man's Stalin. It appears that some here are not really getting the point but most actually are. Government... any government... is an entity that through measures of control, passively or aggressively, imposes it's will on the masses. Many people have still got some notion that a particular idea of such an entity having control is completely necessary. Always remember that in a very real sense democracy is nothing more than the greatest percentage (and often times MUCH less than half) of the population telling the rest of the population what to do. As soon as we disagree enough, this entity will step in to take COMPLETE control. This video argues more against statist mentality than it does against any ISM. Don't get me wrong now. The video has it's flaws and is not promoting anarchy (or even minarchy) by any means. If you would like to watch another great piece of 50 year old entertainment depicting the woes of statism, check out this awesome episode of THE TWILIGHT ZONE

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talk about hideous propaganda.

A few notes:

1.) It's more "America is great and the rest of the world sucks" ... I'm an American and even i'm getting tired of hearing how great we think we are as we borrow more and more from places like China.

2.) The cartoon is about "stay away from ism's" but says capitalism is the way. Talk about a good bullcrap story. Instead of calling it "Capitalism" they call it "Capitalistic ways" Gotta drop the "ism" that made me laugh

3.) They very end of the cartoon said that government regulation seeks to rob everyone of their freedoms by offering religious tolerance, etc etc. So can someone please explain this to me:

A.) The video was all white people first off. no minorities in there .. seems strange that a country who touts "the most diverse on the planet" and a cartoon that talks about how great America is....that they'd seemingly forget to leave out minorities. Strange?

B.) How is saying that a publicly funded, tax payer paid-for office (like a state capital for example) cannot display the 10 commandments, taking away freedom? Sure, if you're Christian, you might think it is taking them away, but this country is built on freedom of religion. So why should the state show favoritism towards your religion and not someone else's?
And if you say "who cares about their religion" then perhaps you should go rethink what you think about America. Because you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Muslims, Atheists, etc, all pay taxes too. Why should your beliefs be the official state religion?

They shouldn't.

If that is "taking away freedoms"

then go drink some ism juice of your own, and keep on living that fantasy.

My ism juice is realism

and realism says you need a healthy mix of regulation and free market to survive.


without one or the other you get an extreme to either side.

Enron anyone?



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A Great Video, and a good watch. I really enjoyed that. So very true too, isn't it amazing what some could see for the future all the way back then? It pains me that people who see the future right now are put down as being paranoid, and fear mongers. Just goes to show, some can see into the future.

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You have to take into consideration that this was made 50 years ago when the demographics of the USA were different.

It is warning about things like out of control government spending, borrowing, involvement.

I don't feel that your religion argument has anything to do with the video.

Capitalism is an ISM but it is what the economy was founded on. It is warning of socialism and communism.

Mod Edit: Removed large quote.

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it's typical politics "your isms suck, my ism is the best, don't believe in isms"

You fall for capitalism because those people say all ism's are bad for you, and just like the cartoon they dont call it "capitalism" they call it "capitalistic thinking"


as for the religion aspect - it was the cartoon that introduced the idea, not me.

So as it pertains to relevance (cartoon/religion argument) it does actually relate.....

Originally posted by SuperSecretSquirrel
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You have to take into consideration that this was made 50 years ago when the demographics of the USA were different.

It is warning about things like out of control government spending, borrowing, involvement.

I don't feel that your religion argument has anything to do with the video.

Capitalism is an ISM but it is what the economy was founded on. It is warning of socialism and communism.

Mod Edit: Removed large quote.

[edit on 5-5-2009 by Gemwolf]

This situation is exactly what I have tried many times to explain. It amazes me that there are some people that will argue with you about the 2x4 you are holding in your hand.They will argue that you are not holding a 2x4 in your hand,right up to the point where they are hit between the eyes with it. Deny,deny,deny,twist the truth to suite the purpose.Then cry out the loudest when it all comes crashing down.

Originally posted by daddyroo45

Originally posted by ghaleon12
That was stupid frankly and it wasn't prophetic, its basically describing capitalism and fears of socialism/communism. I don't feel like trusting a cartoon when it comes to getting good information.

They fail to mention or predict our trade deficit, sky high debt, farm subsities, how poorly students rank compared to out countries ect. We don't have capitalism now or for the past many years since it requires government regulation to keep it functioning, and that hasn't happened. Working capitalist system is the best there is I'd say, but we don't and won't get that.

Evidently you didn't get the point. In a way it did address these problems.
Read between the lines. When this country turned its back on interdependence and self-reliance,it all started to unravel.
"Isims" are essentially government programs like "farm subsidies" Where production limits are in place not to help farmers,(as they would have you believe) It is to raise the profits of the export tarriffs on inflated commidity prices.

What or whose point are you talking about? "It" addressed what problems? I mentioned farm subsities since the video talked about how great our farming is. "When this country turned its back on interdependence and self-reliance, it all started to unravel" That's pretty general, can't really even say anything to that. Being more specific would be nice.

The thing that many pro-capitalists don't understand is there does need to be regulation in order for it to work for everyone...and I'm not talking about anything about Obama in case some of you out there are thinking about that.

Do you believe that massive spending and debt doesn't happen in a capitalist system? That seems a bit off, Bush was about as pro-capitalist (or pro-business) as it got, and he more than doubled the national debt. So, in the end I think its fair to say that debt is irrespective of what system is used, it's simply choices. Other countries that are socialist don't have near the debt to GDP ratio we do.

The problem is the Fed. I can safely say, a socialist or communist country that owned its printing press would be better off than a "capitalist" (we're not capitalist though, since the rich have the scale tipped in their favor) country that are slaves to a private bank.

[edit on 6-5-2009 by ghaleon12]

At this point there is no way of stopping the USA from crashing even if the Federal Reserve ended. Do you really think congress can run it? give me a bake.
The intent of the law of the land is to not have the gov. pass any law to form a single church controlled by the state. It would love to. You must pay your tithe to the state for it is God. The state tells you what to teach. The state tells you what to ware. The state tells you when to have sex or if you can marry and etc. So right now it is separation of church and state but in truth the objective is to run it if it can and to silence the rest. As always now with the state it is about control. In England even deals were made with church leaders with the king over a persons property. Ask your self this also why would Federal Government have any say at all over the placing the 10 commandments on property owned by a state, state school or privet owner?