A curious Nazi occult tale

reply to post by SOXMIS

Hi Soxmis, new to the site and found your post interesting to say the least!

Good username by the way I should have used Brixmis.

I was in Germany from 82 - 90 and stationed in Herford - Detmold - Hameln and Bieldefeld. Spelling may have changed for towns over years!!!.

I was RMP and now Met plod Skipper now, so my information is from memory with absolute no evidence to support it.

Never been stationed at Celle or Hohne but have been to Belsen and have had experience of emotions and feelings in visiting a site of mass murder against people like me and my family. I am not Jewish and have always had a human sympathy for them to why they were the escape goats for Hitler. Anyway many great and not so great, people have debated this before me, so I will not even try. My question is, has anyone established the identity of the divers? Who has accounted for the event if anyone at all? Was the barracks ever used by RMP. My reason for the latest question is simple. In RMP circles this kind of story has been told to me when I was a lance jack in Herford in 81.

It goes, In Celle the RMP duty room is in, or was in a Waffen SS barracks which has a cellar. Many years ago (post war obviously), the RSM exploited the possibility of extra storage in the basement and deployed his junior ranks to clear the area up and out of kit. They did and found apparently star of David's and Jewish or Hebrew writings on the wall claiming to say 'Help us' or words to this effect and more. The rooms had never been previously explored by RMP prior to this time. The RSM or RMP ‘OC’ ordered the basement cleaned up and painted; thinking naturally that the site had been subject to criminal damage in the form of graffiti. However it happened again and then again. I don't want to spin it any more than that, but I do recall the NCO telling me the story said, that the area was sealed up and forgotten about after it had been cleaned up for the last time, but the RSM or ‘OC’ felt uneasy in using the basement. I don't recall who or what RMP Coy was even stationed there at the time. Anyway a few years later it was forcibly opened up and upon entering the same markings were present without any possible entry from the original sealing.

Can you or any other RMP offer any evidence to support this story? I cannot, I had not been aware of your story until today 1st Aug 2010 whilst taking myself back via youtube to Germany and IGB and Berlin Wall. I came upon your post by total accident. My theory is having read your story, is there is something to yours and possibly this RMP story. If Belsen was so close and Jews were stored overnight in basements, which I would find hard to believe the Waffen SS taking the care to do. Then the site is worthy of expert investigation from specialists and that ‘Fielding lady off the television’ who makes such programmes.

It’s all very interesting whatever the final story is. I am guessing you were either Royal Signals also or Int Corp based on EW job. I am also 7 Sigs Ex before making the move to Monkey’s.

Thanks for reading Soxmis. Paul Ex-RMP and PS Met Pol.

reply to post by rmpsgt

Hi rmpsgt, I Was based in Heidi kaserne Celle during the cold war and occasionally would drive the provost sgt to pick up keys and the like for Hohne ranges, We would call into the RMP detachment (Hohne Ranges) Quite regular. The only bit i can tell you was the RMP building was Quite a bit away from the camp its self and was near the old Russian POW camp and up to 6.7 thousand Russian prisoners were starved/frozen to death around that location.
Heidi Kaserne was used as a Displaced persons camp when Belsan was liberated. And presumably the Cellars were flooded on purpose for what ever reason no ones quite sure.
If you look at block 14s foundations you will see shes a big heavy building
And the founds (cellars) must go quite deep,

The only thing that really niggles me is why the barracks was handed back to the civil authorities and not the German Bundis, Thank you for your input and i am sure SOXMIS will thank you himself, So happy hunting for any information and feel free to past
Add photo for scale:






[edit on 8-8-2010 by foxhoundone]

How refreshing reading thru work that doesn't have the new world order, the israelis, or bp. Thank you for a very interesting read, and I hope your research continues

[edit on 10-8-2010 by Marrr]

reply to post by foxhoundone


thanks for your reply, I await further interest or imput from those who served there, a good story I guess wish I could add more intelligence to the story. I may contact some RMP on another web page site to generate any stories or interest for this one. I have no other motivation other than interest in the stories. I guess that no one can actually physically evidence them other what they have seen or heard and this will be evidence enough for me to make my own personal judgement.

Thanks again.

reply to post by foxhoundone


thanks for your reply, I await further interest or imput from those who served there, a good story I guess wish I could add more intelligence to the story. I may contact some RMP on another web page site to generate any stories or interest for this one. I have no other motivation other than interest in the stories. I guess that no one can actually physically evidence them other what they have seen or heard and this will be evidence enough for me to make my own personal judgement.

Thanks again.

I have read this post and it's a great history. Thank you.

I will add some old german photos i've found of Celle in this site:
www.militaryimages.net...

Some examples:







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[edit on 11-8-2010 by crustas]

Originally posted by WildMorgan
reply to post by Ridhya

 

There's no need to be an prick about it...

I read this article on a BBC website myself and NO it was not April Fools day before you ask. The link for that particular article is now broken for some strange reason.

Stop being such a small minded stubborn wanker and type in "BBC Cambodia Zombism" in google and see how many references come back about it. I think you'll find that ALL of them reference the BBC as their source...

A two second google search on "BBC Cambodia Zombism" shows it to be a story that was released on April fools day..

www.snopes.com...

reply to post by rmpsgt

Right mate did some digging a round and found this,

From Mr I Dickson's Web site:
RMP World The Redcaps of the British army (cant do link Apolz) Mr Dickson

Celle – 70 Section
Established in 1948, their first home was at No 1 Georg-Wilhelm Str, an imposing building now housing the Landessozialgerichr (County Court). In 1954 they moved a short distance to the Von Blomberg Villa in Rhegius Str and the following year to Behoerden Haus at 3 Muerlen Str. In 1956 the Section moved to its first real military location within Artillery Bks, Hannoversche Str. Finally, in 1960 the section moved to an enclave of Trenchard Bks, Celle, Sprenger Str where they were happily ensconced until they moved to Hohne and co-located with the local RMP GPD Company...








[edit on 12-8-2010 by foxhoundone]

thanks for RMP history of units. I have used RMP world before and registered my regimental number and rank. I await further posts to see what comes in. Thanks for your efforts and work.

I can't believe I've found the story of the 3 divers on the web.

I was stationed at trenchard barracks celle from 1987-1994 with 2 royal anglian. Being a bandsman a handful of us were on a medics course in that massive building. Not only did the guy delivering the course show us the stairwell down to the basement, the bricked up door and told us about the 3 divers, but I'm pretty sure he also showed us 2 pieces of glass, a bricks width apart, in a wall which acted as a window through to another room. On the inside of the glass, scratched into it were shapes and letters/words. I can't remember what the inscriptions were, but he told us that every time the German authorities removed the glass and replaced it with clear pieces the inscriptions returned within days. I'm pretty sure it was in that building that he showed us as we didn't do that many medics courses, but I cannot be 100% certain. Has anyone out there heard this story before.

I also have a few stories about Trenchard barracks. The usual scary ones about hearing noises above rooms and the sounds of marching troops outside when there's nothing there, but one story does stick in my mind.
Trenchard bks was know as the gas barracks by the elder locals, and there was always stories about an underground tunnel stretching from Trenchard to Belsen. Just before I left in 1994 some british kids were playing in a piece of scruffy land near to the married quarters about 200 yards up from the camp, when the ground subsided due to heavy rain, opening up a tunnel. The RMP's turned up and called the German police. By the next morning the hole had been filled in and if I remember correctly, bricked up.
Anyone heard or know more about this.

Great site, Great posts, and I look foward to more info.
Rob

reply to post by rob738



I look forward to more replies, it looks like the post is running out of steam and its a shame.

paul

reply to post by rmpsgt

I have been researching now for near on 2 years, I have posted on facebook "94Th Locating Regiment" Trying to get other past members to comment on Blk14s "Paranormal" atmosphere , But get very little input but plenty of encouragement, I have tied up with one of my old oppos from Celle but have yet to tell him i am getting ready for a visit to Celle,
And plan to go to Bergen/Belsen Holocaust museum, And not forgetting Celle's own military museum and of course "Heidi Kaserne" Blk14.

So RMP all's not lost it just takes a little time to get a "Team" together and of course (all being well) I will post for former BAOR comrades and ATS members..

And SOXMIS were the hell are you at You kicked this all off. so get "Active Edged and fall in" Later Muckers...

Edit to Add:
Hmm I can smell and taste the herforder and Halb hanchen mit pommies.

And lets not forget the stench of the Cellars at Blk 14..



[edit on 27-8-2010 by foxhoundone]

I've been working through this thread for about an hour, and I'm amazed at how little an ammount of information about the Celle Neu Rathaus is available on the internet.

However things I find strange about this thread.

1) Why did they not drain the basement? The story of it being dry but with words forming on the walls sounds more credible. It seems unlikely that to this day the building would have flooded basements. You would not get planning permission to develope such a building, so I wager that if the basement was flooded in the 1980s when the troops were there they are not now. How would you access, modify or repair the plumbing infrastructure?

2) Why was it sealed off? The Military seem somewhat cash-strapped if you check out their record with Chinook Helecopters, so I doubt the potential presence of bad juju and a severe case of waterlogging would be the best reason for blocking that stuff off. Once again maybe the Belsen artifacts down there would be a good reason to block off the basement from eager soldiers.


The thing to remember here is that these guys would be about my age (21) back in the 1980s. A good few drinks and the stories get passed down. Guy first joins the army gets scared with these stories by older lads, passes it on to scare the younger lads and the story would get wilder with the telling. I cannot picture the deaths of highly trained divers going unnoticed. Did they even recover the bodies? Again I only have the internet at my disposal but no news story exists that suggests the event itself or any inquest. You cannot have dodgy Nazi Occult stuff killing off troops in the height of the cold war and nobody batting an eyelid.

Once again, you take bored 18 year old guys, station them far from home in a wrecked ex-Nazi installation with water everywhere and a general bad vibe and the stuff will all fall into place. A few beers and the stories get embellished.

As far as I gather the Neues Rathaus is still used as a town hall after much renovation. I somehow doubt they neglected to deal with millions of gallons of dirty and possibly contaminated water just below the floorboards (unless they sealed off that stuff better ). Who can honestly say.

It still seems odd that the downstairs area was out of bounds, but maybe nobody wanted the job of removing holocaust victim materials from down there.

On a side note, for all the paranormal guys here I have a wee story. A friend of mine is in the Army at the moment, and currently is stationed in Afghanistan. He joined the army to get away from home, because he and a friend drunkely broke into a tomb in a mausoleum, and this guy stole some teeth fresh out of a corpse. He lost the teeth and kept waking up to sleep-paralysis episodes that started to really scare him (and he is not the type to scare easily). He never did find the teeth!

Often when a bad event has happened in the past. You have cases of demonic spirits that would re enact events or long dead people in that location. They can be seen as just dark images, gray clouds, spheres, balls of light, men with wings and etc and etc. They are shape shifters by very nature. I too have seen and have had to deal with them. I have been told the military makes an effort to keep a lid on such events. As they also happen at sea if not in the air. I tend to feel these stories are true and a lot more happens than known. No one likes to be seen as a mental case. You end up with employment problems, legal problems, housing problems or de friended by friends.

reply to post by Manolete


You raise some good points and un answered questions regarding the deaths of the diver's. I presented these questions when I joined. I too could not find any story or press release to support this. I am inclined to think that the divers story is a yarn and an unthoughtout aspect to other stories which may have some truth. Soldiers do spin yarns like anyone else and NIG's (new in Germany), would be their obvious targets at Regiment level.

This whole area has obvious history connected to the war. Belsen being the clear obvious location. Its very interesting stuff, but lacking some evidence to support the claims. I submitted my story but that is all it was without physical evidence.

I hope that there is someone to help strengthen the story further and they hopefully are out there.

reply to post by foxhoundone




Enjoy the Herforder I found it a little bit strong but would like to try some for old times sake. Enjoy your visit. Looking forward to your reply post - post visit!

This whole debacle would make an epic movie. I'm not sure how far Nazi Occult has made it into mainstream cinema, but the idea of divers moving around a giant machine shop 3 stories down and finding two-headed bodies strapped to chairs sounds amazing.


I'm not sure which aspect of the dodgy-biology Ayran Race concept ties in with trying to graft a second head on a human body. The weight-bearing aspects of the spine would be totally ruined, and trying to split and divide the spinal column to serve two heads sounds like a mammoth opperation. I doubt the spine could support two heads, and to what use would that be?

reply to post by SOXMIS


I was based at trenchard barracks celle with 2rrf between 97-2000.
i remember arriving at the main gate and how imposing the place was. i was only 17 at the time. all the battalion were out on exercise preparing for bosnia so the camp was being manned by rear party.. about 30 people in HQ coy.

obviously i joined in the ranks with the lads and did day on day off guard duty. patrolling the camp at night was scary if i'm honest the camp was big but we as a battalion had only occupied 5 blocks A coy B coy C coy HQ coy and mess house naafi. yet at least another 5 blocks remained empty. we stayed well away not because we were ordered to it was more of a feeling.

when i joined my company Ccoy i had no bed space so myself and 4 lads went to an empty block and robbed one of the beds and wardrobe's it felt like i i was being watch by some thing.. the kads i went with then told me about the story's. the flooded basements being the one that stayed with me and the divers. also of a block that had been locked and not been opened since dead bodys hed been found under water.

i always took them as tall tales but since coming across this site i feel completely diffrent. also the reports of suicide in the camp.. in the first 3 months in celle heard about 4 lads from my reg that had killed them selves.

one thing that i will never forget is how much i hated the feel of the place. even the town had a feeling of something to hide. the amount of jewish graves are unbelievable in the town.

i heard noises from the above us we only took up 3 floors so another 3 floors above us where empty.

i will be following this from now on as its something i always knew but just didnt take serious.

the other creepy place is vimy barracks in catterick but trenhard is a whole new level..

reply to post by albi2505



What was spooky about Vimy? I was there 83 - 84 with R Sigs and personally it was old but fine, I was more interested in girls and beer in those days.

Originally posted by albi2505...also of a block that had been locked and not been opened since dead bodys hed been found under water.

That is not normal proceedure for finding dead bodies right? Imagine if the Police turned up at a murder in a meatsafe and instead of removing the bodies they say "right, bring in the fire hoses, we are flooding this section for ever"....

If divers found bodies there would be pathologists and other dudes involved. You would not flood a section or leave the bodies down there. Maybe in a sunk battleship, but not in a building in the middle of a town. And as I say, you would not be able to redevelope a building, or even sell it, if one of the selling points was "three flooded under-stories full of crazy mutilated jewish corpses".