My Dad Is A Mason (UK)

Originally posted by network dude

It appears that your dads lodge wears ceremonial aprons. Our lodge uses plain white aprons except for the officers.

In England, the apron of the Master Mason is lined with blue, three rosettes, and two tags. FellowCrafts the same without tags. EA's just one rosetta.

English Lodges never adopted the curious different ways that Masons wear their aprons according to the different degrees, as Lodges in the USA have done.

The officers have colorful aprons that are stored at the lodge. We also dress very casual. Come as you are so to speak. I am under the impression that Prince Hall masonry in NC use gloves and dress in suits even for a regular meeting, but I am not sure. Does your dad ware a suit to the meetings?

In England, tuxedos are generally mandatory.

Originally posted by yeahright
And to everyone else, please be mindful you're likely talking to a 16 year old about his father. Anyone incapable of respecting the situation is strongly advised to visit a different thread.

Well said!

The English Masonic movement does not have the sinister overtones of the continental masons. In the UK its more about drinking wine, talking nonsense and helping one another get promotions in work. I'm surprised there's only a wine stain on your dad's apron, there should be a cigar burn and chicken gravy there too.

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are you being seriouse? You can't be. This is insane. Give as just a lil of the proof that lead you to that conclusion.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by Rockpuck
I was raised to wear a suit to lodge (ha, raised joke, funny me) lol .. "Respect for the institution" .. even in a casual lodge I'll be the one nerd in a suit.

Im my jurisdiction it is suits all the time except for Degrees, then we are required to wear tuxedos.

But, But you get beer. Just kidding. Our DDGM wears a suit when visiting and some high rollers wear suits, but it seems rare in my area. (counrty) I think it would be cool to have the suits and gloves to add a bit of reverence to the ceremony. But imagine a backwoods type atmosphere and a group of men are seen in suits with gloves. The guys with dressy overalls would be talking.

Originally posted by RuneSpider
Anyway, there are a few Masons here that are in the UK, may know more about what the apron signifies.

I'm an English Mason, but not in the UK.

The apron in the picture is a master mason apron (3rd degree) of the English constitution (UGLE).

This particular apron is worn by a master mason who has not yet been master of his lodge.

From the yellowish colour, it is probably a real lambskin apron, rather than a more modern, cheaper plastic one.

In English masonry (UGLE), the first degree apron is pure white, completely unadorned, and has no metal visible on the apron. The fellowcraft apron is white with two pale blue rosettes, also devoid of visible metal.

The third degree apron has three rosettes, seven metal tassles on each side, which were traditionally made of silver, but recently, for cost reasons, are silver plated or simply metal of silver colour. The clasp or hook which closes the belt is a metal serpent, which symbolizes life (as in the same context as the sybol for medicine/medical treatment), or wisdom.

Originally posted by WhatsHappening
Back to my point, first of all, I was wandering of the differences between the US and UK masons, are they the same?

US and UK masons are basically the same, in that they are both considered "regular" meaning that a US mason may visit a UK lodge and vice versa. The wording of the rituals are slightly different, but the basic ideas and symbolism is the same.

US masonry is called "blue masonry," whereas UK masonry is called "craft masonry." In general, UK masonry is more traditional, in the sense that tuxedos are compulsory etc, whereas many US lodge allow plain suits.

US masonry tends to be more esoteric in nature, whereas English masonry has taken much of the esoteric symbolism out if the ritual, and tends to focus more on morals.

But in essence, yes, a US mason is my brother in exactly the same way as a UK mason, and in the eyes of a mason, there is no difference between the two.

Freemasonry is very interesting to me. I gather its not what the group can offer you but rather what you can offer the group?

I would like to ask a few questions to those that read this thread.

How would I go about getting into the FreeMasons, or is it simply a lineage thing? I was thinking, get myself into an influential role within society and i would be approached?

Secondly, who are above FreeMasons? (From where I stand, FreeMasonry is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to secret societies?)

Any response is greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Originally posted by Toughiv

How would I go about getting into the FreeMasons, or is it simply a lineage
thing? I was thinking, get myself into an influential role within society and i
would be approached?

Thanks!

To find the Light, , you'll have to walk, all the way to the Light. Brothers can
only guide you, you'll have to work, to deserve it...

Many masons here would be honored to, Guide you.. if you need Help.

( the only way to get throw the Masonic Doors '' 2b1ask1 '' )


Fraternal regards

Originally posted by Toughiv


How would I go about getting into the FreeMasons, or is it simply a lineage thing? I was thinking, get myself into an influential role within society and i would be approached?

In most places, recruitment is forbbiden, and those who wish to become Freemasons must request admission. If you know Mason, simply tell him you'd like to request admission. If you don't know a Mason, you can email the Secretary of your nearest Lodge. If you don't know, send me a U2A with your location, and I'll put you into contact with someone locally.

Secondly, who are above FreeMasons? (From where I stand, FreeMasonry is just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to secret societies?)

There have been many secret societies and fraternal organizations. Freemasonry is the oldest and largest of these.

It is a sovereign and independent organizations, so no other group is "above" it. However, Freemasons may join other societies and fraternities if they wish, so there is a lot of cross-membership with other organizations.

My father and his father were also Freemasons. My two best friends are Freemasons. I have been to a couple of the meetings as a guest and believe me... if Freemasons are the same Worldwide then it will be wine stains on the apron. Yes it does look like one of the older genuine sheepskin aprons in the photo. The group I was with spent more time drinking than they did doing anything else.
Child sacrifices? Not while I was around... Though my father did try to kill me on a couple of occasions when I was young... could that have been related to the Masons? Maybe.
It was quietly suggested to me that I should ask to join one of my friends lodges until it came up that I don't believe in the Christian God. That quickly caused a revoke of the joining suggestion. One of my friends has been the Master of his lodge and he certainly has no idea of all these grand NWO plans that all Freemasons are supposed to have intimate knowledge of. I know this as a fact as we have often gone camping and he talks all night in his sleep, reciting the phrases he has to memorise and going through the verbal rituals.

I worked for a masonic province in the UK for 5 years, and I shall tell the the dark truth about freemasonary which totally shocked me. Now far from eating babies, or plotting how the world should operate via the illuminati, it is nothing more than an excuse to enjoy a good booze up and a good meal. (more booze than food)

They tried desperately to get me to join them, as a lot of them were old farts and they wanted young blood. I used to tell them I bloody work in this place for 5 days a week, you why would I want to socialise here?

Now I saw all the ceremonies including some of the more weird ones i.e Rose Coix, but can honestly say I always got the impression they couldn't wait to get to the Bar! and theres nothing wrong with that!

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Hello, I firstly would like to say thank you for your reply. I am completely serious when I say I wish to become a FreeMason. Is it really as simple as just asking to join?

I say this because I have always been under the impression that FreeMasons are usually within a valued position amongst society, and so its more about what you can offer the FreeMasons rather than what they may offer you.

I have my own religious beliefs and personally believe that any form of organised religion (i.e. Jesus said this, etc) is just another form of control. I do however believe in a Supreme Being / Creator / Force (etc.). Will any of these views hinder my application?

Moreover, the FreeMasonary I have come to understand, (and believe to know a little about) is rather secretive, that is really is more than just "signing up". I know of 2 people (one being my Father) who was approached and asked whether he would like to join. (But according to some recruitment is forbidden?)

Also, I wonder if you could shed any light on the whole NWO/ Illumanti theme? I believe I understand their motives and know that their is such a sect existing. However, there are some that tarr them as "Evil" and some that say they are just trying to "manage" mankind?

Once again, i am sincerely grateful for your help.

Originally posted by 18731542
I worked for a masonic province in the UK for 5 years, and I shall tell the the dark truth about freemasonary which totally shocked me. Now far from eating babies, or plotting how the world should operate via the illuminati, it is nothing more than an excuse to enjoy a good booze up and a good meal. (more booze than food)

Just to note, that would depend on the jurisdiction. In the United States, most Grand Lodges prohibit the use of alcohol at Masonic functions completely.

Now I saw all the ceremonies including some of the more weird ones i.e Rose Coix, but can honestly say I always got the impression they couldn't wait to get to the Bar! and theres nothing wrong with that!

If you are not a Mason, how have you seen all the ceremonies? And why would you think that the Rose Croix was weird?

Originally posted by Toughiv


Hello, I firstly would like to say thank you for your reply. I am completely serious when I say I wish to become a FreeMason. Is it really as simple as just asking to join?

Yes.

I say this because I have always been under the impression that FreeMasons are usually within a valued position amongst society, and so its more about what you can offer the FreeMasons rather than what they may offer you.

The vast majority of Freemasons are what would be concerned "normal" guys, i.e., average middle class people. We have a few famous members, but most are just the regular plumbers, carpenters, chefs, attorneys, optometrists, truck drivers, accountants, and farmers.

I have my own religious beliefs and personally believe that any form of organised religion (i.e. Jesus said this, etc) is just another form of control. I do however believe in a Supreme Being / Creator / Force (etc.). Will any of these views hinder my application?

No, but....who told you that Jesus said that?

Moreover, the FreeMasonary I have come to understand, (and believe to know a little about) is rather secretive, that is really is more than just "signing up". I know of 2 people (one being my Father) who was approached and asked whether he would like to join. (But according to some recruitment is forbidden?)

The recruitment thing depends on jurisdiction. Most Grand Lodges forbid it, although a few allow it. As for secrecy, Masonic secrecy is highly exagerrated by the critics of Freemasonry. While the initiation ceremonies are technically secret, there are many Masonic events that are open to the public.

Also, I wonder if you could shed any light on the whole NWO/ Illumanti theme? I believe I understand their motives and know that their is such a sect existing. However, there are some that tarr them as "Evil" and some that say they are just trying to "manage" mankind?

The Illuminati was an anti-Catholic revolutionary society that formed in Bavaria, Germany in 1776. The Church launched a propaganda campaign against them, and the Bavarian secret police infiltrated them, and arrested most of its leaders, finally disbanding them.

Conspiracy theories continue about them to this very day, but in reality, anti-Illuminati conspiracy theorists mostly just parrot the Church's propaganda against them, which had little or no basis in fact.

No, but....who told you that Jesus said that?

No i wasnt referring to Jesus actually saying my words, i was just relating to the fact that we are told what people 2000 years ago said certain phrases etc.

The Illuminati was an anti-Catholic revolutionary society that formed in Bavaria, Germany in 1776. The Church launched a propaganda campaign against them, and the Bavarian secret police infiltrated them, and arrested most of its leaders, finally disbanding them.

Conspiracy theories continue about them to this very day, but in reality, anti-Illuminati conspiracy theorists mostly just parrot the Church's propaganda against them, which had little or no basis in fact.

I do not agree with you when you say there is no NWO. There most definitely is, im not going to go into great detail as there are hundreds of threads on here, which all spout the same info. However, one thing for you to think about.

The biggest killing disease in the world is Tuberculosis (killing 2-3 million people a year) and the cost of a vaccination, when mass produced, is around 15p (english) so roughly 25c American. NOW... how much money did America alone pump into the banking sector to help alleviate the "Credit Crunch"? $500 Billion. Dont seem odd to you?

But back to point, thank you very much for your response

P.S - What is the motivation behind the FreeMasons?

Originally posted by RuneSpider
Blood dries to a rusty brown color, that's more of purple. Granted, they are English, but I still think it's more likely it's wine.

Huh? english? lol what are you saying here?

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It was a bad joke. English and blue blood, eh?
Sorry, probably shouldn't try humor.