Israel invented modern terrorism!

Here is something to think about.

After decades of propaganda bombardment by the jewish owned main stream media, it is time for people to know the truth about who the REAL terrorists in the middle east are.

Watch this video, pretty disturbing historic FACTS!

star and flag from me.

I have posted today a thread on ATS with a pretty interesting link you probably could find interesting. link to the thread below:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

check the link in the second post!!!!

cheers

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the evil Jew strikes again, watch out they hide in your closet and under your bed.

there is a flaw in your "VIDEO OF PROOF" you can find the same exact thing in Qur’an. If you ask the Muslums it was writen first and it is the only True book. rethink your argument then try again...

Shall we make a list of Islamic conquests through out the ages? Can they be related to what they believed or was it just a continution where their prophet and book left off?

From a web site that constantly bashes the mass media corporations it sure is pathetic to see so many people in support of Israel.

Israel does nothing but suck up weapons and money from the US and terrorize islamic people living a country Jews don't deserve to call their own.

Originally posted by The time lord
Shall we make a list of Islamic conquests through out the ages? Can they be related to what they believed or was it just a continution where their prophet and book left off?

Your comment requires closer examination. Let us start with your phrase "Shall we make a list of Islamic conquests through out the ages?"

Do you mean Muslims invading a country and taking over or perhaps you are referring people converting to Islam?

If you mean the latter, there were no conquest since there is no compulsion in faith. You cannot make people believe anything unless you take their minds away through deceit and that is compulsion. Nor can you make a person believe with a gun to their head. People converted to Islam just like Christians converted, through missionary and charitable acts. People see the example of the faithful and believe.

Unlike Judaism, the Islam and Christianity are missionary religions that invite converts. Judaism was originally a missionary religion until it was overtaken by the other Abrahamic religions. It eventually was reduced to a tradition held onto by a small number of peoples spread thinly from North West Africa, Sub-Saharan Africa to Europe, Asia Minor, India and to China.

If you are referring to wars and forcing people into converting? This did not happen. The Islamic empire largely consisted of Muslims peoples (Ummah) uniting under an enlightened caliphate (kingdom) and producing a golden age of science, art, philosophy and commerce. There were geopolitical conflicts at the interface of the western regions with the Iberian peninsula but it was not about forced conversions but commerce. Christian and Jews lived within the caliphate.

Subsequent religious conflicts in the Eastern regions was about Christian fundamentalists and indigent princes in the guise of Crusaders marching thousands of miles to claim ownership of Jerusalem. These events occurred through the ages and is the fabric of history in a time that did not have due regard or knowledge of rights and international laws yet Jews prospered amongst the Muslims.

You casually throw around your comments devoid of historically reference and strictly rely upon the current prejudices and hatred of the people of the Middle East like a fig leaf for the grotesque. I think the mileage is running out on that tactic.

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Israel was forged through terrorism - the destruction of the king David hotel should be enough for anyone tor realise that - for those who wish to deny it , you are living in false reality.

It does not mean mean Israel is any worse - they are completely devoid of any moral credibility as it is.

Originally posted by masonwatcher
If you mean the latter, there were no conquest since there is no compulsion in faith. You cannot make people believe anything unless you take their minds away through deceit and that is compulsion. Nor can you make a person believe with a gun to their head. People converted to Islam just like Christians converted, through missionary and charitable acts. People see the example of the faithful and believe.

Unlike Judaism, the Islam and Christianity are missionary religions that invite converts.

REALLY? Invitation? Let’s take a look at the invitation by quoting from the Koran:

"Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve (8:55)

And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah (8:39)

When the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer [become believers] and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them (9:5)

And if they intend to act unfaithfully towards you, so indeed they acted unfaithfully towards Allah before, but He gave you mastery over them (8:71)

fight them: Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace, and assist you against them. (9:14)

fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and his messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the book [Christians and Jews], until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection. (9:29)"

Nice invitations.

Apparently, it’s an invitation that you are not say no too.

To Masonwatcher

I think you need to look at the world a bit more closely, the same acts of war and infinite incompatible laws of Islam to the rest of world still generates wars and same style beheadings for the last 14,000, if you examine history you will see Islam did not start the same way some other Christian missitry did and its also documented in the Koran of how they overcame non believers, not through missionary but convert or die methods, no different to today. And we should not feel so guilty for the crusades something called forced conversion caused. I am sorry to say but most Islamic countries established today were forced to convert through conquests and people were driven out or forced to live under intollerant methods.

www.telegraph.co.uk...




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Star and a flag. No one wants to listen when you tell the truth about Israel. Can you imagine how peaceful the region would be today if Israel had never been established?

I see that some people who are unable to argue against the true facts of Israeli terrorism instead turn their arguments against Islam in general as if that somehow excuses the Israeli terrorism.

Originally posted by scordar
it is time for people to know the truth about who the REAL terrorists in the middle east are.

Well, your propaganda sure doesn't tell who the 'real' terrorists are.
Try again.

HERE is a list of terrorist attacks in the past 2 months.
Here is a list of terrorist attacks for 2008
Here is a list of terrorist attacks for 2007

Your premise that "Israel invented modern terrorism!" is wrong.

Originally posted by The time lord
Shall we make a list of Islamic conquests through out the ages?

Here is a partial list. And of course we have the barbary pirates who sent millions of non-muslims to their deaths and millions more into slavery. If we took the time we'd be able to dig up a whole lot more, but that alone will keep a person busy reading for a while.

An anti-Israel/Jew thread is started and who should we expect to pop up ...

Originally posted by masonwatcher
You casually throw around your comments devoid of historically reference and strictly rely upon the current prejudices and hatred of the people of the Middle East like a fig leaf for the grotesque. I think the mileage is running out on that tactic.

Backatchya.




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Originally posted by groingrinder
Can you imagine how peaceful the region would be today if Israel had never been established?

It wouldn't be. As the previous links show, that area has always been a powder keg and the religion of Islam has ALWAYS had bloodthirsty elements. It wouldn't be some peaceful paradise. It never has been and it never will be.

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Guy Fawkes was a Jew then?

And all the countless Irish republicans that followed prior to the foundation of the Zionist movement too?

There were terrorist Jewish groups. It is not like someone hides it. But violence in British province of Palestine was started by Arabs in 1929. So if one considers (while being correct of course) killing of dozens of Arabs - act of terror, then killing three times as much Jews in Hevron in 1929 is also act of terror. Which came much earlier.
And since in Eastern Europe terrorism was widely used even earlier by all kind of revolutionary movements, idea this film promotes is pretty lame.
Anyway - if you check the history, terrorizing and murdering civil population was noted from the start of recorded history.
So nor Palestinians (which are only several decades old as a nation) nor Arabs in general did not invent terrorism. But due to rise of extremists part of their societies lately there are more terrorists originating from those groups per population then from other groups.

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Israel invented modern terrorism!

So basically what you are saying is that Israelis were FREEDOM FIGHTERS first.

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The whole “ends justify the means” argument being followed to the worst conclusions was not created by Israel or first practiced by Israel. It’s not even a modern trend. The rules and methods of the game are just shifting with time.

Originally posted by infinite
Guy Fawkes was a Jew then?

And all the countless Irish republicans that followed prior to the foundation of the Zionist movement too?

Did Guy Fawkes use a truck full of explosives,nahh thought not!Still a good try at derailing this thread

The zionists would still use truck bombs if they had too,but uncle sam has bent over backwards to give them other ways to kill

Jam321.your deluded sunshine,I think you will find most freedom fighters are fighting for freedom in their own country not killing other people and taking over their country

Remember the USS Liberty!

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Originally posted by infinite
Guy Fawkes was a Jew then?

And all the countless Irish republicans that followed prior to the foundation of the Zionist movement too?

I think the operative word is 'modern'. Guy Fawkes was attempting regicide and was after killing parliamentarians. Basically he was attacking the seat of power.

Zionist worked at the other end of the social pyramid; they were bombing and killing civilians. They are the inventors of modern terrorism meaning that they would go to one village and kill everything and everyone, allow the news to travel to cause a terrorised stampede then move on to the next village. Kind of what is happening in Sri Lanka right now.

The Irish Republican were fighting on their own land for 400 years before the creation of Israel. They did not bombard, strafe, impose starvation blockades or use phosphorous bombs.

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