Who Cares About 2012?

Okay I am starting this thread because i believe that people are making way too big of a deal about 2012.

Who Really cares? I mean... think about it.. If the world DOES end and we all die... then it doesnt matter at all an everything people are doing trying to debunk or further provide evidence for 2012 will mean nothing. Also, if the world DOESNT end, or some form of spiritual evolution will come of us on Earth.. then so what? If we evolve into some higher dimension then it doesnt even matter in that sense because everything about our lives would change instantly. I do agree its nice to be informed of possible ideas about 2012 but its getting out of hand, and very ridiculous just like the UFO/ET skeptics and believers post new info everyday and over 95% of what they post, skeptic or believer, is some form of hoax. Some people need to get with that fact that it doesnt matter.

"OH NO THE WORLD IS GOING TO END!!! WHAT SHALL I DO?!" statements are idiotic at best. What can you do? Absolutely nothing, your going to die, deal with it. And for the people who dont believe we are going to die, or go into a different dimension.

Thanks for letting me rant.

I hope this clears a few things up for people..

I really don't care about 2012 to be honest. If something were to happen then I'm going to make sure that I have lots of popcorn and set on my front lawn and enjoy the show.

I might just decide to have a party who knows.

There have been literally hundreds of "end of the world" dates since 1 BCE. Success rate so far? Absolutely zero. Why would this date be more accurate? Or more believable? How much trust should be but into something with a 100% failure rate?

That is quite true Gawdzilla, I believe that to be fact. Although, i still have to say that there is too much hype going around about 2012 and its kind of annoying to see people making such a big deal about something so inconsequential.

By inconsequential i mean that, if we died, it doesnt matter, if we evolved, it doesnt matter since everything would change, and if nothing happens then the masses of people trying to prove or debunk 2012 will look like the most incompetent people on Earth.

God has been around forever - eternity, since the beginning. Man came along and started making changes, started tossing in doubts, and started "religions" so that their "club" could be better than the other's "club".

God, however, has not changed one speck since the beginning.

I keep reading on ATS how the readers look down on weak minded people, but it seems to me that there are more 'weak minds' among us than we think. In my opinion, the ones that trust big brother, and the ones that don't believe in Jesus Christ, go hand in hand - and will share in the same fate as well.

The entire "2012" issue isn't just an isolated incident. It is coming for a reason, as is the new global money system and one world "religion".

Does anyone not find it a little more than just "coincidental" that everything happening now has been predicted in the King James Bible?
Or does everyone here believe that something came from nothing.



All humans should care what happens to their souls. Regardless of what an individual believes, "every knee shall bow, every tongue shall confess".

Some of us dont care what happens in 2012 we just care that there are people left alive to care about anything at all.

Originally posted by Gawdzilla
There have been literally hundreds of "end of the world" dates since 1 BCE. Success rate so far? Absolutely zero. Why would this date be more accurate? Or more believable? How much trust should be but into something with a 100% failure rate?

I urge you to check the books of Daniel and Revelation in the Bible, then compare it to what the scientists are saying that 2012 is going to bring.

The identical similarities will make your mouth drop, I promise you.

Check out where the cutting edge technology of the seventies found to be THE BEST PLACE TO TAKE CLONABLE TISSUE FROM ON A HUMAN?

You got it ,the rib,just ask Adam.

Why do you think scientists find jumbled piles of plant and animal materials FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD TOGETHER IN CREVICES ON TOP OF ONLY ONE SIDE OF THE HIGHEST MOUNTAINS ON EARTH.The flood was true.

The bible was a history book and religous ceremony was incorporated into its existence to ensure the messages were carried on long term.

This is why I am advocating preperations for all.I read the bible cover to cover before I was ten.No one in my immediate family is religous.

We have been fore-warned and this is how the decision between who is good and bad will be made,YOU SEE THERE IS NOT SUCH A THING AS GOOD AND BAD,ONLY INFORMED AND UN-INFORMED.

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With all the talk about surviving 2012 or in some case not, people seem to forget that there is very little that can be done about such matters. Which reminds me of something I once read "Eat well, exercise - die anyway"

Personally I think its all about how you live that matters, (unless it involves aliens bursting out of your chest or death by other cruel methods or being eaten by embola or.....)

Hagalaz,I agree 100% that we have to live the best we can every day,but for me this means constantly maintaining a vigilant watch on world conditions and ensuring that in a worst case scenario my family would have a chance TO SURVIVE NOT JUST THE EVENT BUT FOR GENERATIONS AFTERWARDS THIS IS A KEY POINT,AFTERWARDS ,and anyways "DOESNT EVERYONE NEED TO HAVE A CRAZY UNCLE BOB WHO HAS A SURVIVAL SHELTER IN HIS BACK YARD?"

WE CANT CHANGE ALL EARTH EVENTS WE WILL ALWAYS HAVE TO READJUST OURSELVES IN THE SADDLE AS WE RIDE THIS PLANET TO OUR DESTINY.

I agree with OP

And you may have to correct me on this, because im not entirely fluent on the 2012 thing...furthermore i have no idea how it's considered a 'conspiracy'

but as far as i understand it, there was an ancient civilization (Mayans???) that had a calendar that if you translate it to modern times spells end of the world in 2012.

So let me ask you this.

If the Mayans were so advanced, why are they gone?
If the Mayans were so advanced, why did they live in squalor compared to modern times?

Too much credit is given to ancient civilizations because we, as modern people, like to relish in the intelligence of the human race.

Much like a dog owner getting a feeling of bliss when they see their dog doing something amazing almost human like (for example, my dog can open closed doors...amazes me every time)

We look back at civilizations that existed thousands of years ago and see their accomplishments as "before their time"

These accomplishments were not before anyone's time aside from our own.

Our modern society feels so full of its self that we think we're the only intelligent life in all of existence, and civilizations of thousands of years ago could not possibly have comprehended the same things we understand today. Then, when we discover a civilization could map the stars, we credit them with paranormal powers to predict the future...

This is typical thinking though. It makes us "feel good" that humans could have conceived something so simple as "guessing the future" a few thousand years ago. Yes i understand they made a few guesses that have been proven true so far as well.

But so do Lottery winners. Hundreds of millions of tickets are sold every week, and yet...just one winner. Does that make the winner a psychic? Or just lucky?

In all of recorded (and unrecorded) human history, there are guesses made about the future.

Simple mathematics and pure randomness that exist in our universe are all the proof you need that out of the trillions of billions of "guesses" about the future that random people have made since the beginning of civilization...some of them are bound to come true.
But will always pale in comparison to the mountains of predictions that failed to come to light.


Mayans were advanced for their time?
We're advanced for our time, and what do you say about the idiots you see on the news predicting the next big thing to happen that never comes about?

Just think about it.

2012 is another "California will sink into the ocean" BS story concocted because someone wants to feel important.

There is no "keep an open mind" on 2012.
There is no proof, there is no supporting evidence, there is no credit to be given to support such a claim.

There is a guess, a hypothesis, and no theory. A theory requires something to rest on.

I'll see you in 2013.

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Does anyone not find it a little more than just "coincidental" that everything happening now has been predicted in the King James Bible?

This is a lie. The bible does not give predictions to the end of the world.

Jesus Christ himself said not even *HE* knows when the end is coming.

So how could the Mayans?

I dont think anyone can debunk or prove anything todo with 2012. I think it all makes for some interesting times ahead no matter which one of the many outcomes happen or do not happen.

What I do CARE about is the lead upto 2012. Can I trully rely on the people around me (neighbours and others) to keep their heads?

That is what I am more concerned about regarding 2012.

Who said the Mayan said it's the end of world? I still don't know from where the people are getting this info.

I know that only the modern authors that give the interpretation about what the meaning of "end the long count"/cycle. For what I know mayan didn't say a word

Originally posted by blackcube
Who said the Mayan said it's the end of world? I still don't know from where the people are getting this info.

I know that only the modern authors that give the interpretation about what the meaning of "end the long count"/cycle. For what I know mayan didn't say a word

as i said in my original post...i dont know if it was the mayans...thats just what i remember...."correct me if im wrong" opening statement

i think 2012 is like a load of crap like 2000 and when it comes there will be a new "end" date somthing like 2123 or 2021. I mean look at the place they were on the map. were they known for their hard work and getting things done?

Yeah, you're right it doesn't matter. Unless of course you don't just become nothing when you die. No offense to the religious but each and every religion is flawed in some way or another. A god that loves you and is so merciful sentences you to an eternity of burning torture.

For those who have read Hidden_hand's threads or the law of one, the depopulation of the earth would make perfect sense. Ra stated the end of the world or harvest if you will, will take place in 2011. While Hidden Hand said Ra's material was a little skewed and that the harvest would take place in 2012. If the PTB wanted to destroy the world they could do it in a push of a button. They could nuke the world to kingdom come. However Ra said that nuclear weapons actually destroy the spirit. Maybe then they are trying to make this harvest happen without destroying our spirits.

I was abducted as a child and was led to the 2012 question by a series of small discoveries over the last several years through the internet.

The Mayan prophecies are only one of many parallel warnings that were preserved for many many generations mostly in religous doctrines which proved to be the best way to ensure a secure chain of preservation.

However there are a lot of other small threads of info that when followed and researched diligently will inevitably lead you to the 2012 question.

I started my quest after a specific dream that included a very high area where I live,this lead to the earths magnetic poles,which led to the historical implications of pole reversals and the environmental chaos that would ensue.


This lead deep into historical information which WOULD HAVE TAKEN ME THREE LIFETIMES TO AQUIRE [meaning it wasnt possible] had it not been for the INTERNET.Everything from the Sumerians,to the Egyptians,to pre-historic cave men,to Romans ,to Germany,to Roswell,to the Four Corners area,to the American Government,to ATS.Which is where I have stopped because this is the first place I have found people with enough anonymity to tell the truth about their experiences.

I was lead to this idealism and these possible realities through dreams that I believe are somehow connected to my abduction.

Many other people are being led directly to this possible reality for many other reason,BUT REASONS THAT WEAVE DIRECTLY INTO WHAT I HAVE DISCOVERED.

What we all are discovering.

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I agree with your assessment. It matters only to people who have nothing better to think about. I accept 2012 as a possibility but I cannot be convinced to care.

2012,or a similar version of what we are discussing WIL INEVITABLY BECOME A REALITY FOR HUMANITY.

History is our teacher,and it isnt only the Maya that disappeared from the earth after haveing been a world power.Egyptians,Sumerians,Romans,British,soon to be Americans, to be replaced in all likelyhood by the chineese or the indians.

It is glaringly obvious that only one thing could topple all of these great human civilizations,AND THIS ALMIGHTY POWER IS THE EARTH ITSELF AND THE WEATHER PATTERNS AND ANOMOLIES IT CREATES IN ITS EVOLUTION OR ITS LIFE AS A LIFE SUSTAINING PLANET.

It doesnt matter what the date is humans will always have to live in a constant state of readiness,preparing to survive the earths cycles,no government to date in human history has managed to SAVE THE PEOPLE.

Its always the people who save the people.

Take that last statement to heart and become prepared as soon as you and your family can,call it a hobby,say you like camping even if you dont,whatever it takes,just be the one person in your family that is prepared ,you alone could save many people if just you are prepared.

Dont worry about the date ,call it an investment in your future,and as sure as the sun shines in the morning you wil one day be saving someones life through your preparations.