Homeland Admins: Perceptions on Poverty

DHS Perceptions on Poverty and Radicalization

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(U//FOUO) Scholars and experts disagree over poverty’s role in motivating violent radicalization or terrorist activity. High unemployment, however, has the potential to lead to alienation, thus increasing an individual’s susceptibility to extremist ideas.

According to a 2007 study from the German Institute for Economic Research, there appears to be a strong association between a parent’s unemployment status and the formation of rightwing extremist beliefs in their children—specifically xenophobia and
antidemocratic ideals.

I simply cannot understand why DHS (A Post-9/11 Reactionary Agency) wants to label Americans in this way?

Why do they say "experts are divided" on this when history shows conclusively that poverty will have certain results? That is a known fact to everyone except those whose job it is to defend the Homeland?

What do these agents and admins think "The Homeland" represents? Who do they think is a good patriotic American defending the homeland? What does it mean, to have "A Home" or to have "land"?

This report also says that returning troops will also be closely watched to see if they are loyal or if they are extremists. But what these experts will never discuss, is the dialectic wherein they KNOW what poverty does, and they will not reveal that they know. It's truly Master and Bondsman, as Hegel explained.

As they clearly state, "All the experts themselves can't decide what the results of poverty or foreclosures will be." ...Yeah right. The dialectic works like this: We never tell anyone where we want to end up. DHS wants America to fragment so they'll have lots of work and more PDFs to create and more headcount and more report-to's and more employees and more and more.

If that is not so, then how can they defend some German experts who cannot agree while ignoring the obvious effects of poverty? I am certainly no enemy of the "Homeland" but I do think this agency needs to spend a little time investigating how and why they themselves were placed in the position of judging the US people? It is fully UnAmerican to be so cold-hearted and nationalistic toward one another. Heartless judges were also the ones who Jesus had a big problem with.

"for they bind together burdens heavy and grievous to be borne, and lay upon the shoulders of men, but with their finger they will not move them." Matthew 23:4


[edit on 16-4-2009 by smallpeeps]

You can see the dialectic being used to promote both sides of an issue. Nobody will really discuss truth about drugs or poverty, not when there's so much money to be made in chaos. Order out of chaos. They're busy problem solving the things even the experts are confused by, you see? Even the experts are confused.

As for the U.S. role, Obama said, "We are going to be dealing not only with drug interdiction coming north, but also working on helping to curb the flow of cash and guns going south."

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said consultations with Mexico are "not about pointing fingers, it's about solving a problem: What can we do to prevent the flow of guns and cash south that fuel these cartels?"

What's that saying when someone truly getting reamed? "They're gettin it coming and going" I think that's how it goes.

These people know how drugs work and they know how guns work and they know how poverty works and they know how shock capitalism works and they know how Mexico got shackled to religio-poverty and they know how drug cartels take root and they know how to make money and gain power and move us toward their goals by the simple goal of "problem resolution"

But even 'consensus from German experts on the effects of poverty' would be a threat to profits. There are things in this world (drugs, humans and guns) which are actually of a harder form of currency, and all these educated people running this show, understand that.

Ah, most of these officials are bribed or blackmailed anyway so removing them wouldn't help because the system of blackmail is what perpetuates the control of the admins. Nothing can possibly change unless we have compassion for the blackmailed leaders in our government and absolve them of what they've done just to avoid their outing. I think a lot of the system is held together with the mortar of blackmail. I feel pity for public officials and I don't have any violent ideas toward them. I feel so bad for them that their desire for power creates corners into which they are backed and then forced to sacrifice their very souls within themselves. I feel bad for anyone who is being blackmailed and acting in an anti-American spirit because of it. I wish the country could simply forgive the blackmailed for whatever they got set up for. A scene in The Godfather Part 2 where the Senator is blackmailed with a dead whore, for example. Well, if people would come to terms with how real power operates, why would they be shocked to find a Senator having had a whore or being blackmailed by the mob the next day? I think people have tremendously naive ideas about how power operates on Earth circa 2009. That's why we get admins like this. We get the government we deserve, and children who don't want to understand and discuss actual real topics, will get a patronizing government fighting moral wars for you and telling you to behave and be obedient.

My solution would be to have the Vatican apologize for what they did to Mexico by keeping it in poverty and also they should apologize for their agents who are skilled blackmailers --even with each other. But I doubt that humble action is possible for them. No, we'll just all keep fighting a "War" on drugs, guns and human slavery, yet failing miserably, while some profit from that failure.

Well, suppose you worked for 10+ years at a bsuness you liked, trying to go up th ropes, prove yuorself, then bam! recession hits, or someone whs willing to work for less money waltes in..and yuor let go..everything yuove built up and wanted to achive, in this system has been taken away. That coul give many people an eye opener how thigns can really turn out and often do, especially in the corporate world. Especially here in america, where mosrt want a house, 2 mercedes, and a few acres of mansion and land..and too losse all that, all becuase someone, perhaps illegal, took yuor job , with the businesses Ay ok of course. That could generate alot fo anger, a system that has cheated yuo uot of it all yuove been building up. Theis too much abuse that comes from managers and CEO's tahts dished out to employees.....maybe this is all a possible cause.

Originally posted by ziggy1706
Especially here in america, where mosrt want a house, 2 mercedes, and a few acres of mansion and land..and too losse all that, all becuase someone, perhaps illegal, took yuor job , with the businesses Ay ok of course. That could generate alot fo anger, a system that has cheated yuo uot of it all yuove been building up.

Thanks for replying, and yeah, I hear what you are saying. If a person works and then gets their job chopped then yes, it will make that person upset.

Actually, that's what I am saying. The opponent here (some administrative body that thinks they are "Defenders of Ze Homeland") KNOWS that layoffs will cause people to get upset. They know that, but they pretend to be dumb.

This is where I am trying to focus this discussion: Do they KNOW the results of poverty, or are they really so damn stupid as to not know? The first thing to do when recognizing masters of the dialectic is the pay close attention to the problem part, which comes first (PROBLEM > reaction > solution) because in the stating of the problem, they will give away their desire to move forward. I am noticing here that their stating of the problem is absurdly childish and truly il-informed, and that is how it is designed so as to create a reaction (problem > REACTION > solution).

I think there is a strategy in playing dumb, and my instinct is to never assume a person is as dumb as they appear. Playing dumb is a sign of intelligence, in fact, in the same way that Sun Tzu advises never to let your opponent know your true knowledge which means that in warfare, lying and deception are what work best. Also waging a war against an opponent who out numbers you, is often done through demoralization first, which a report like this is obviously designed to foster. This report divides and demoralizes Americans, OR it causes the intended outcome (problem > REACTION > solution) which is that ATF and DHS are wanting, which is to be able to stretch their new legs and roll out a few APCs into some town. They want that, and this report is designed to further that solution (problem > reaction > SOLUTION)

It is no secret as to how War affects returning vets (we've got lots of data about that) and so for them to say "Oh, if John Rambo comes home, we may have a problem with him..." is totally duplicitous on their end. In the case of both poverty and returning vets who may face poverty, this administrative group here is either playing stupid or they are evil. The third option that they really are this stupid, is not possible.

Theis too much abuse that comes from managers and CEO's tahts dished out to employees.....maybe this is all a possible cause.

I could not agree more, and have been consistently unimpressed with the people in charge of me as an American worker. I rarely have found myself working for someone who could even approach me intellectually or from a skill perspective. The admins and managers and CEOs in America are almost exclusively bootlicking materialistic arseheads and I am with you completely on that.

So here we are, being chastised by an admin-clan who claim power over the "Homeland" (A Nazi term) and yes, we are surrounded by corporations which have the power of wealth and poverty over all of America (and the world) and basically the American thinking worker or engineer is being sidelined and forced to compete with Indian wages. Naturally this is the whole NAFTA-Globalization plan whereby all world wages are decreased. How does DHS propose anyone fight that? It is as if DHS wants the Homeland to be devalued and scrapped. If that is their true goal, to collaborate with the wreckers of this country, then their claim to being good guys, will not be worth a damn.

Talk to me more there Ziggy. Are you describing your own situation? There's a real sense of pain in your post. I am glad you shared your thoughts here.

This link shows how the UN has asked its member countries to cooperate in controlling legitimate narcotics trade and to please, if they just could, police themselves in regard to LEGIT poppies versus the ILLEGAL poppies. I think they tacked a 'pretty please?' onto the end of their request.

I am describing here how the world works, and thereby I am hoping to describe how other people will simplify issues that are meant to be, adult, and somewhat uncomfortable.

Yes, I do believe that the Afghans and our multi-decade relationship with them, is connected to this DHS report about poverty and also the soldiers who come home from the opium-producing nations, and then get hung out to dry by the very nation that sent them there.

I am describing circumstantial evidence here that shows a world which is real, as contrasted to their world as in this report, which is fantastic and unreal, and even covertly dialectical in it's genus. These issues above, about poverty and rebellion and drug wars are all connected, and it is not hidden that such is the truth, but the admins will play stupid in the extreme.

2006/Resolution25202006-34.pdf


The need for a balance between demand for and supply of opiates used to meet medical and scientific needs

Recognizing that the medical use of narcotic drugs, including
opiates, is indispensable for the relief of pain and suffering,
Emphasizing that the need for a balance between the global licit
supply of opiates and the legitimate demand for opiates used to meet
medical and scientific needs is central to the international strategy and
policy of drug control,

Noting the fundamental need for international cooperation with the
traditional supplier countries in drug control to ensure universal
application of the provisions of the Single Convention on Narcotic
Drugs of 19611 and that Convention as amended by the 1972 Protocol,2
Reiterating that a balance between consumption and production of
opiate raw materials was achieved in the past as a result of efforts made
by the two traditional supplier countries, India and Turkey, together
with established supplier countries,

Expressing deep concern at the increase in the global production
of opiate raw materials and the significant accumulation of stocks over
the past few years as a consequence of the operation of market forces,
which has the potential to upset the delicate balance between the licit
supply of and demand for opiates to meet medical and scientific needs,
Emphasizing the importance of the system of estimates, based on
actual consumption and utilization of narcotic drugs, furnished to and
confirmed by the International Narcotics Control Board on the extent of
cultivation and production of opiate raw materials, in particular in view
of the current oversupply,

Recalling the Joint Ministerial Statement adopted during the
ministerial segment of the forty-sixth session of the Commission on
Narcotic Drugs,3 in which ministers and other Government
representatives called upon States to continue to contribute to the
maintenance of a balance between the licit supply of and demand for
opiate raw materials used for medical and scientific purposes and to
cooperate in preventing the proliferation of sources of production of
opiate raw materials,

Considering that opiate raw materials and the opiates derived from
them are not just ordinary commodities that can be subjected to the
operation of market forces and that, therefore, market economy
considerations alone should not determine the extent of cultivation of
opium poppy,
1 United Nations, Treaty Series, vol. 520, No. 7515.
2 Ibid., vol. 976, No. 14152.
3 A/58/124, sect. II.A.
Reiterating the importance of the medical use of opiates in pain
relief therapy, as advocated by the World Health Organization,
Noting that countries differ significantly in their level of licit
demand for narcotic drugs and that in most developing countries the use
of narcotic drugs for medical purposes has remained at an extremely
low level,
1. Urges all Governments to continue to contribute to
maintaining a balance between the licit supply of and demand for opiate
raw materials used for medical and scientific purposes, supporting
traditional and established supplier countries, and to cooperate in
preventing the proliferation of sources of production of opiate raw
materials;

2. Urges Governments of all producer countries to adhere
strictly to the provisions of the Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs of
19611 and that Convention as amended by the 1972 Protocol,2 and to
take effective measures to prevent the illicit production or diversion of
opiate raw materials to illicit channels, and encourages improvements in
practices in the cultivation of opium poppy and production of opiate
raw materials;

3. Urges Governments of consumer countries to assess their
licit needs for opiate raw materials realistically on the basis of actual
consumption and utilization of opiate raw materials and the opiates
derived from them and to communicate those needs to the International
Narcotics Control Board in order to ensure effective supply, calls on
Governments of countries producing opium to limit the cultivation of
opium poppy, taking into account the current level of global stocks, to
the estimates furnished to and confirmed by the Board, in accordance
with the requirements of the 1961 Convention, and urges that, in
providing estimates of such cultivation, producer countries consider the
actual demand requirements of importing countries;

4. Endorses the concern expressed by the International
Narcotics Control Board in its report for 20054 regarding the advocacy
by a non-governmental organization of legalization of opium poppy
cultivation in Afghanistan, and urges all Governments to resist such
proposals and to continue to strengthen drug control in compliance with
their obligations emanating from the international drug control treaties;

5. Urges all the Governments of countries where opium poppy
has not been cultivated for the licit production of opiate raw materials,
in the spirit of collective responsibility, to refrain from engaging in the
commercial cultivation of opium poppy in order to avoid the
proliferation of supply sites, and calls on Governments to enact
enabling legislation to prevent and prohibit the proliferation of sites
used for the production of opiate raw materials;

6. Commends the International Narcotics Control Board for its
efforts in monitoring the implementation of the relevant Economic and
Social Council resolutions and, in particular:

4 Report of the International Narcotics Control Board for 2005 (United Nations
publication, Sales No. E.06.XI.2), para. 208.
(a) In urging the Governments concerned to adjust global
production of opiate raw materials to a level corresponding to actual
licit requirements and to avoid creating imbalances between the licit
supply of and demand for opiates caused by the exportation of products
manufactured from seized and confiscated drugs;

(b) In inviting the Governments concerned to ensure that opiates
imported into their countries for medical and scientific use do not
originate in countries that transform seized and confiscated drugs into
licit opiates;

(c) In arranging informal meetings, during the sessions of the
Commission on Narcotic Drugs, with the main States that import and
produce opiate raw materials;

7. Requests the International Narcotics Control Board to
continue its efforts to monitor the implementation of the relevant
Economic and Social Council resolutions in full compliance with the
Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs of 1961 and that Convention as
amended by the 1972 Protocol;

8. Requests the Secretary-General to transmit the text of the
present resolution to all Governments for consideration and
implementation.

41st plenary meeting
27 July 2006

Did you notice that part above about drug laundering? That's where you take bad poppies and move them through some country and they come out the other end as good poppies. Neat huh?