Appomattox Again, Next Civil War?

" Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

- Timothy McVeigh

April 9 was a Sunday in 1865, and in the town of Appomattox, Virginia, the sun was shining down on the end of a war. Confederate forces, led by Gen. Robert E. Lee, had finally been brought to bay by Gen. Ulysses Grant after four grueling, blood-sodden years. Lee's surrender at Appomattox was the conclusion of the largest and deadliest armed insurrection in American history.

April 9 was a Thursday in 2009, and there are some lo these 144 years later who would very much like to see another armed insurrection erupt within these United States. The casus belli for today's would-be revolutionaries is not states' rights, slavery or economic independence, but is instead a toxic mix of fundamentalist Christianity, ultra-conservative orthodoxy and, more than anything else, guns.

The existence of armed and angry insurrectionists in America is nothing new. As Robert Kennedy once observed, "One-fifth of the people are against everything all the time." The militia movement, in one form or another, has been a part of our history literally since the founding of the nation itself, and memories of Waco, Ruby Ridge and the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City remain acutely fresh in mind even years later.

Lately, the news has been flooded with reports of citizens arming themselves to the teeth, egged on by right-wing media personalities prophesying doom, the rise of socialism, and that a Marxist dictator now sits in the Oval Office. This frenzy has been spilling from talk radio and television out into the streets for weeks now, and has recently metastasized into acts of outrageous violence. It smells like a new beginning of something this nation has not been forced to endure for nearly a decade.

Last Monday, a man named Richard Poplawski ambushed and murdered three Pittsburgh police officers and tried to kill nine others. Poplawski's motivations, according to friends and family, centered around his belief in the existence of a vast government conspiracy to destroy American freedoms while establishing a left-wing dictatorship under President Obama. Poplawski came to believe all this after listening to and reading the paranoid rantings of right-wing luminaries like Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity."

This is an article from www.truthout.com and I'm posting this because I believe that something is definitely happening and this being a conspiracy site, I believe we could certainly get into a good debate about this. First off I do believe the right wing has an agenda which is backed by the entire government, create a civil uprising. The elite want us to divide and fight amongst ourselves. While the above mentioned names, Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity and not to mention O'reily are spewing out this nonsense about the current administration. I think that comments and the fear mongering these commentators are doing is completely unamerican. I do not agree with everything that Obama is doing as I believe is his owned by the same fascist pigs that Bush served, He is trying new things that the republicans are terrified off. In turn the republicans are trying to divide the country in hopes of starting the next civil war, in turn helping the depopulation agenda that has been talked about as of that. I don't know what this will lead to other than gun control laws, loss of more rights and the continued betrayal of the constitution which I love so much but the time has come for choices to be made without bias or influence from fox news and Alex Jones who are trying to turn a profit on creating fear in the masses. Thoughts?

the rest of the article:
" Last July, a man named Jim Adkisson walked into a Universalist church in Knoxville and began blazing away with a 12-gauge shotgun, killing two people and wounding several others. He had 70 shotgun shells with him, and fully intended to massacre as many people in the church as possible before police killed him, but he was tackled and disarmed by members of the congregation before he could complete his task.

Eric Boehlert, writing for Media Matters on April 7, said, "When investigators went to Adkisson's home in search of a motive, as well as evidence for the pending trial, they found copies of Savage's 'Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder,' 'Let Freedom Ring' by Sean Hannity, and 'The O'Reilly Factor,' by Fox News's Bill O'Reilly. They also came across what was supposed to have been Adkisson's suicide note: a handwritten, four-page manifesto explaining his murderous actions. The one-word answer for his deed? Hate. The three-word answer? He hated liberals."

"The only way we can rid ourselves of this evil," wrote Adkisson, "is kill them in the streets. Kill them where they gather. I'd like to encourage other like minded people to do what I've done. If life aint worth living anymore don't just Kill yourself. Do something for your Country before you go. Go Kill Liberals!"

Describing the Pittsburgh incident, Boehlert wrote, "In the wake of the bloodbath, we learned that Poplawski was something of a conspiracy nut who embraced dark, radical rhetoric about America. He was convinced the government wanted to take away his guns, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported. Specifically, Poplawski, as one friend described it, feared 'the Obama gun ban that's on the way' and 'didn't like our rights being infringed upon.' (FYI, there is no Obama gun ban in the works.) The same friend said the shooter feared America was 'going to see the end of our times.'"

"Hysterical warnings of government gun grabs and a socialist takeover of the US are no longer the sole proprietary interest of fringe players like Jones," wrote Max Blumenthal on Wednesday. "In the Obama era, Jones's conspiracy theories have graduated to primetime on Fox News. And radicals like Poplawski are tuning in. Indeed, according to the Anti-Defamation League, the alleged killer posted a YouTube clip to (neo-Nazi web site) Stormfront of top-rated Fox News host Glenn Beck contemplating the existence of FEMA-managed concentration camps. ('He backed out,' Poplawski wrote cryptically beside the video.) Three weeks later, Poplawski posted another YouTube clip to Stormfront, this time of a video blogger advocating 'Tea Parties,' or grassroots conservative protests organized by Beck and Fox News contributor Newt Gingrich against President Barack Obama's bailout plan."

There have been more stories like this in recent months, and if history is any guide, there will be more to come. The timing of all this is deeply troubling, and the media players involved are all too familiar. There is something sinister at work here, something malevolent, something sly.

Consider the curious historical synchronicity of all this: after the inauguration of a new Democratic president, there has been a sudden upsurge of right-wing polemicists agitating right-wing citizens into right-wing-motivated acts of violence. The last time things came together like this was back in 1993, after the Waco and Ruby Ridge debacles, combined with the passage of NAFTA and the Brady Bill, detonated into a militia movement that was wildly active, and exceedingly violent, throughout the entirety of President Bill Clinton's two terms.

Dozens of militia-related incidents, including the Oklahoma City bombing, took place during those years. In 2001, however, these incidents stopped almost completely, and for the entirety of George W. Bush's two terms as president, hardly a peep was heard from the militia movement that had been so robustly vigorous during the administration of Bush's "

"predecessor.

A Democratic president takes office in 1993 and the militia movement explodes, egged on by a whole host of right-wing media voices.

A Republican president takes office in 2001 and the militia movement, along with those media voices who sponsored it, all but disappear from the American political landscape.

A Democratic president takes office in 2009, and once again, right-wing media voices begin their clarion call for armed revolution, and once again, a portion of their listeners erupt into violence.

"In Politics," President Franklin Roosevelt once said, "nothing happens by accident. If it happens, you can bet it was planned that way."

Indeed. "

good stuff indeed...

Alex Jones is not right wing, if anything he's anti wing. He does not speak out only against the current administration. If you really believe standing up for what you believe in is "un american" please do a little research on the origin of this great nation, and know that it is not only our right to dismantle a corrupt government, that is destroying our constitution, it is our obligation.

Yeah OP, your problem is that you believe that people are like you, that they believe there's a difference between the republicans and democrats... there's NONE.

Obama=Bush=McCain=Gore=Clinton

They are controlled by other people above them. CFR-Bilderberg-Trilateral Commission. And those organisations are robbing us, moving us towards a fascist world government with banks owning everyone like serfs. It's a mix of the books 1984 and Brave New World.

A kind of high tech north korea/nazi germany/china/soviet russia/khmer rouges cambodgia.

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Yes, I agree with you with the fact the millions of Americans need to wake up. I am aware that the globalists and elite control our government which is why i said obama is owned by the same fascist pigs as bush... I've read both books you have mentioned and its all common into play. I'd like to see lightning strike these people who want to own us.

[edit on 10-4-2009 by iamjesusphish]

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I am not saying Jones is right wing and I have researched all of his work and know that is it not only the right of the people but the duty of the people to take back our country from the hands of the tyrants... I think Jones is a sensationalist.

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The casus belli for today's would-be revolutionaries is not states' rights, slavery or economic independence, but is instead a toxic mix of fundamentalist Christianity, ultra-conservative orthodoxy and, more than anything else, guns.

Wrong. So wrong on so many points. I don't know where to start.

1. States rights. State sovereignty is more accurate and is very much at issue today. So, wrong on that count.

2. Slavery. A good many Americans feel they are indeed Slaves already -- to massive and seemingly perpetual debt, to endless regulation and invasion of every aspect of our private lives.

3.Economic independence. I'm not sure what you mean by that, but see the above.

There is a start.

Originally posted by iamjesusphish
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

Yes, I agree with you with the fact the millions of Americans need to wake up. I am aware that the globalists and elite control our government which is why i said obama is owned by the same fascist pigs as bush... I've read both books you have mentioned and its all common into play. I'd like to see lightning strike these people who want to own us.

[edit on 10-4-2009 by iamjesusphish]

How can you agree that something needs to be done but not offer any other alternative that the actions that a few have taken?

Why would the opinion of another, Rush, Jones or whoever be enough to sway a rational person to such extreme actions? Or is this just an easy blame point?
Crazy is crazy with or without help.
Besides, who believes the police reports anyway. Coulda been a big lifesize cutout of Ted Kennedy wearing lingerie in his bedroom that was failed to be mentioned...ya never know.

Originally posted by iamjesusphish
" Out of the night that covers me,
Black as the Pit from pole to pole,
I thank whatever gods may be
For my unconquerable soul.

- Timothy McVeigh

lol, "Timothy McVeigh" Our "Osama Bin Laden" of the 90's. Poor guy probably thought he was involved in a training scenario.

www.prisonplanet.com...

ps This is an Alex Jones link. He is credible in my eyes, so hold your tongue.

reply to post by iamjesusphish

Poplawski's motivations, according to friends and family, centered around his belief in the existence of a vast government conspiracy to destroy American freedoms while establishing a left-wing dictatorship under President Obama. Poplawski came to believe all this after listening to and reading the paranoid rantings of right-wing luminaries like Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity."

Ugh! Wrong again. The guy was a White supremacist that got booted from the Marine Corp. He posted typical, foaming-at-the-mouth racist spew on Jones' website, attacking him because he didn't hate the Jews as much as he did.
don't even lump Jones with the establishment hacks at fox. Jones was battling them harder than anyone else during the Bush years.
Get your facts straight.

This is an article from www.truthout.com and I'm posting this because I believe that something is definitely happening and this being a conspiracy site,

No wonder I was tasting vomit. I used to like Mr. Pitt. I guess he's drunk the koolaid.

By the way. You should read this:: Plagiarism --

Posting work written by others. **ALL MEMBERS READ** We have seen an increase in plagiarism here on ATS lately and it STOPS NOW. Going forward, if you post something that is not 100% your own writing or work you must use the QUOTE BOX TAG, post NO MORE THAN 15% of the original (or three paragraphs, whichever is least), and GIVE A LINK TO THE SOURCE MATERIAL.

Originally posted by iamjesusphish
" Last Monday, a man named Richard Poplawski ambushed and murdered three Pittsburgh police officers and tried to kill nine others. Poplawski's motivations, according to friends and family, centered around his belief in the existence of a vast government conspiracy to destroy American freedoms while establishing a left-wing dictatorship under President Obama. Poplawski came to believe all this after listening to and reading the paranoid rantings of right-wing luminaries like Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity."

If it hadn't been for the "Right" spilling the beans about the "Ultra-Left" then where would you get accurate information?

You seem offended by the "Right" and good for you. There are those of us who don't give a rat$ a$$ about being on the "Right" or the "Left"

What we care about it wether our country is being destroyed right now. We are being taken apart piece by piece...and there will come a breaking point.

You better decide what side you're on.

I find it somewhat ludicrous in nature that you compare and even mention Alex Jones in the same sentence as such personalities as Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh. Alex Jones is quite literally "Out To Lunch" on so many issues, whereas Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity are far more Mainstream in nature, with Limbaugh being more Conservative than Hannity (in general).

I watch Hannity on television whenever I have the opportunity to do so, and I manage to hear Rush from time-to-time, and I have yet to hear them promote any ideals which would lead towards Extremist activities. Anyone who blames killings, or cult activity on these particular individuals, is simply exploring partisan based reasoning for a cop out excuse.

You're getting slaughtered here, dude. I bet you regret ever hitting the post button. lol