Let The South Leave!

There are MANY facets found in the jewel of humanity. Just when one thinks they posses ALL of the answers, a fresh point of view can sometimes become illuminated.

And now, for your consideration.......

H. K. Edgerton past president of the Ashville, N.C. chapter of the NAACP is considered by some folks to be a "controversial character" listen to his own words and decide for yourself.

Ever heard of the name Holt Collier? No, well surely you have heard of a "Teddy Bear" It might surprise you to discover the story of it's origin...

In the Mississippi legislature in 1890, there was a outspoken Black Republican delegate who happened to represent the same county that Holt Collier lived in (Washington Co.) named John F Harris.

These are but a few of the many verifiable stories of Southern Brotherhood. Understand than I am not attempting to imply that abominable racist events have not occurred in the South sure they have, AS WELL AS IN THE NORTH !

I do not offer these examples in a spirit of fostering a US vs. THEM or NORTH vs. SOUTH sentiment, but in the effort to show that GOOD & BAD, IDEAS & ATTITUDES exist EVERYWHERE IN HUMANITY. It is up to ALL of us to strive to cut through the divisive crap that surrounds us and realize that WE ALL HAVE MUCH MORE IN COMMON THAN NOT!

UNITED WE STAND, DIVIDED WE FALL


Southern Heritage 411

reply to post by JMasters

Let The South Leave!

I'm in the south. I agree if it means that i won't have to be associated with someone who pushes stereotypes about people based on the region of the country they happen to reside in.


TheAssociate

Why isn't there a "This is poo poo" button we can click on pertaining to an OP that is obviously doo doo. If we are going to make gereralizations, then here's one: Why when my black girlfriend and I are in the north, we are shunned by whites? We are looked up warily by blacks. In the south we are more accepted by both whites and blacks. Never ever had a problem with blacks, except one, who was just pissed because I had what he wanted and didn't measure up, so to speak. Only had two incidents involving whites, both men. Don't know what their problem was. You think they wanted my gal, too? Oh, yeah, I am mostly white and a bit of Seneca. I prefer to remain in the south. Traveling in the northeast is like visiting a foreign country.

Originally posted by tamusan
May I suggest studying a little history and then coming back?

Thomas Jefferson, John Rutledge, and James Madison favored slavery.

And actually, the civil war was about the southern states each wanting to be their own independent governments to be able to set their own individual laws and not have washington tell them what they can or can't do.

I descend from both sides if the war. I am happy that there is no longer legal slavery in the U.S.

But that's not what they teach in school. Didn't you know that the civil war was to free all of the "NEGRO's"? So the government run schools and the NAACP would have you believe. When are people going to get over all that crap. NO ONE alive today was a slave and probably didn't even know anyone who was. We are all "born equal". I mean come on get over it already. As for black vs white thing, some blacks are now in my opinion becoming more racist that most whites. Look at Benedict college in Columbia,SC. They just got sued and LOST because the school is run by people who see color instead of the person. And it was three white profesors who won.

reply to post by FlyersFan
Yep, I believe that is what he has in mind. What he doesn't realize is that if the planes that hit the twin towers had been carrying about twenty good ol' boys from any of the southern states, they would have shown the guys with boxcutters what a real knife looks like, and there would have been no 911. (I don't want a bunch of crap from those of you who think it was an inside job. I disagree with you and there is no since in getting into an arguement about it.)

To the original poster:
I don't know if you have ever been down south, but if you haven't, I'd like to invite you to come to Arkansas.
No, you won't find a bunch of inbred hillbillies, but let me tell you how you'll be treated..
You'll be invited in, and made to feel right at home. We'll say grace, and then we'll feed you a big ol' supper for country fried ckicken, mashed potatos and gravy, lima beans, hot buttered biscuits (real butter, not that corn oil stuff) with glass after glass of sweet tea. For dessert, home-made apple pie and icream. After supper, we'll go out sit on the back porch and listen to the whipperwills and cicadias, shoot the breeze, and just relax.
In the mood for a night cap? How about a little bourbon on the rocks? One or two of those to help you sleep.
The next morning, when you get up, coffee will be ready, and all you have to do is pour a cup, have a seat and drink it. If you feel like having a conversation, we'll have one. If you'r not a "morning person," then we'll let you have your coffee, while the wife fixes a breakfast of ham and eggs, pancakes, and grits, with plenty of coffee.
Now during this time you can, and will, tell us all about how ya'll do things, and how much better it would be if we would do things your way. We will politely listen. Since it's Sunday, we'll invite you to church with us, but if you choose not to go, then we will respect you decision, without being judgemental. When we come back from church, we'll fix a light dinner(we don't call it lunch down here.)
After dinner, we might grab our fishing poles and see if we can get lucky. We just set back an enjoy the day, while I listen to you critique about the south, politely assessing what you have to say.
When we get done fishing(sorry, but they just weren't biting.)we'll go back to the house, wash up, and make some ice cream. There;s nothing quite as good as hand turned ice cream that you dip right out of the churn. Again, you will contiune to tell us how we out to things differently that in New York, Massachusetts, and New Jersy. A little later we might watch a good movie, or we might go sit on the porch and just reflect on how good life is. When you are ready to leave and go back up North, I hope you will have enjoyed your vist, and My wife and I will both tell "Ya'll come back now, you here?" I'll shake you hand before you get in the car and tell you how much I enjoyed your vist, and that I hope you have a different view of the south. And I'll tell you one more thing.
"WE DON'T GIVE A DAMN HOW YA'LL DO IT UP NORTH! 'Bye now!"

Wow, way to generalize OP! I'm here in Huntsville, AL and you know what? I heard more racial slurs and racist remarks when I visited New Jersey for 2 DAYS than I hear where I live in a year. So, please make sure you know what the heck you are talking about before you go spewing nonsense.

Thank you

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[edit on 8-4-2009 by HarlieQuinn]

How misinformed can a person be ? Your post is not only offensive but stereotypical and historically incorrect . You need to visit the Southern states ...get to know some people before you formulate your opinion . I would go on a page long tirade on the merits of the South but somehow I don't believe that you would get it as your opinion is somewhat strong and inflexible . I am from the South but I do not think of myself as separate from the Northern , Western or Eastern United States.......I am American .....Before you start on the stereotypes and tax diatribe get your facts in order please......and be sure to visit the South soon.....you will be surprised to find that a translator will not be necessary .

reply to post by kettlebellysmith

Day-yum!

I'm not a Yankee, but you mind if I come buy for a visit?

Seriously, that was a beautiful explanation of life in the rural South. Too bad I can only give you one star.

TheRedneck

i was born and raised in poconos pa.(except for the year i went to school in alaska) and i love the southern people- they are some of the nicest most cordial people i have ever met in my life. plus i love the accent lol
and before anyone puts the northeasterns down nyc joysey and mass. yes they are mostly d@#$% but you should check out the people in rural ny and vermont, nh, maine- they are exactly like the previous poster said- they invite you in and are very nice as long as you are polite to them.
the point is most people are nice in heart but leery- so be nice to people and you would be surprised what comes back at you
has nothing to do with region or race

I'm from Mississippi. Probably the most infamous of the southern states. These points of view are from a Mississippian point of view, not necessarily "southern," though I dare say similar.

I figured this would go away, but since it hasn't I will post. Many good replies here, already.

Some things I agreed with so far:
-Churches are more like community centers in the south than religious centers. They feed people who need it, give clothing, try to help those in need. Sure there is some "recruitment talk" but most people in the south(and everywhere else) know when they are getting too pushy, and stop.

-I'm feeling like the OP thinks that blacks and homosexuals are hung down here. I assure you, they are not, and if someone did this, they would be prosecuted to the full extent of th law. Violence is everywhere.

-KKK invites are super rare. I was once invited as a kid in a karate class. The guy trying to recruit me later went to prison for drug dealing. I have never been invited since in 32 years.

You get the offensive words like the "N" word rarely, and never in public. Actually the last time I heard the word was one black man saying it to another, and a black woman quickly corrected him in that regard.

People down here tend to group up in cliques just like everywhere else.

As for the founding fathers, great posts on that. T. Jefferson(bill of rights, articles of confederation).

Civil War- I love this topic, but instead of droning on I would suggest "The Civil War" - directed by Ken Burns. It's very long, but great, and gives all points of view. If you would rather read... Shelby Foote wrote many great books on the subject, and those who knew him, miss him.

ps- that post about eating and fishing and relaxing on the porch was fantastic. Notice that despite all the work that needs doing, a guest is always an honored one.

Thanks be to whatever gods there be I am from the Wild West. Away from such outdated bickering and bashing, and as far from Europe as possible.

I've been down south, and while very different, I sure as hell found the people there less alien than alot of "Northerners" I knew.

They certainly were polite, civil and mellow, even if they did eat weird crap like grits and loved church. Certainly alot less intellectual snobbery amongst them than amongst many Northerners I knew, and alot quicker to give a person a hand and help out.

Sure, there's some serious knuckle dragging communities down there. So what? Do the yankees forget about the good ol days of the Salem Witch trials, and that fact that puritanism thrived up north, where the cheerless bastards even banned Christmas once?

Give it a rest. The KKK exists up north too, you know, and out west.

reply to post by JMasters

The South is less likely to secede than the North is to be expelled.

The irony of denouncing hatred and bigotry by spouting hatred and bigotry is almost palpable.

Why not try a little more understanding and a little less blind rage?




(Just my personal opinion, Your Mileage May Vary.)

[edit on 4/8/2009 by Majic]

Originally posted by HarlieQuinn
Wow, way to generalize OP! I'm here in Huntsville, AL and you know what? I heard more racial slurs and racist remarks when I visited New Jersey for 2 DAYS than I hear where I live in a year. So, please make sure you know what the heck you are talking about before you go spewing nonsense.

Thank you

[edited for spelling]

[edit on 8-4-2009 by HarlieQuinn]

Thats just the thing Harlie. He didnt know wtf he was talking about when he posted it. The original post was a load of hatred and bigoted diatribe. The Op decided to post some crap and walk away, like most cowards who wont back up their OP's with educated and concise arguments.

I grew up in arkansas. Nearest neighbor was 4 miles away. Nearest town was 32. Everyone knew everyone and would care for, protect and standup for each other no matter what. When i moved out here to Cali i was 3 grades ahead of the norm out here. So whose the uneducated ones here OP. Oh thats right, you ran away from your useless post so i wont expect an answer.

My .02¢

Silver

Anytime at all you wish to talk it over with your Yankee friends, you can let the South go.

I look at the great State of Massachusetts. Ted Kennedy has killed more people with his car than I've killed . . . well, (since combat) with my gun, and he'd never, ever, had a real job.

Their other Senator is John Kerry. He should have been drowned at birth. A more pretentious bastard never existed.

And then the mouth of the State - that's right. Barney Frank. And you don't want to get me started on that . . . never mind.

Yes, the land of the Revolution has really fallen into the sewers.

Talk it over. Let the South be independent. And then we'll show you how it's done.

I have good friends who are Yankees, but I've never met anyone as narrow minded as the OP.

And for God's sake, OP. Stay up north.

Wow! I have seen some deep rooted insecurity before but clearly the OP needs a hug and some love.

I have seen and traveled this great nation of ours, from Pennsylvania corn fields to Hawaiian volcanoes, from bluffs in Montana that you could see 40 straight miles from with not a sign of man ever being. I have marveled at the painted canyons of the Four Corners and the pounding surf of the Oregon Coast. I have seen the cotton and tobacco grow out of red clay soil and watched wild horses run free on the Outer Banks. I have seen the stars shine bright deep in the heart of Texas and felt the winds whip through the concrete canyons of New York City. I have made out the snow capped mountains of the Sierra Nevada staring across the L.A. skyline from the beach in Santa Monica. I have picked cherries on green verdant West Virginia mountain sides, and watched Christmas shoppers bustle on foot around the blustery loop in Chicago. I have seen the green pastures of Wisconsin and the badlands of the Dakotas. I have traveled across the endless wheat strewn plains of Kansas and marveled at the towering Rocky Mountains as I approached the Colorado high. I have ridden on horseback across stretches of the Arizona dessert and marveled at the works on display in a New Mexico artist colony. I have plucked peaches from trees in Georgia, and watched tornadoes paralleling along the Oklahoma roads. I have ridden a skiff on the Louisiana Bayou and stared out at the thunderous spray of Niagara Falls. I have eaten chocolate off the machines in Hershey, and saw where accused witches met their fates in Salem. I have traveled the Garden State Free Way along the rolling farmlands after traveling the bridge past Dover Delaware all the way to the Atlantic City Boardwalk where on after riding in a bicycle drawn rickshaw watched horses dive off a peer into the gray waters of the Atlantic. I have stood at the base of the Arch in St. Louis and dined on a Kansas City Strip in downtown Kansas City and a New York Strip in downtown Manhattan wondering what’s the difference? I have ventured deep inside of caverns in the Virginia countryside, and looked out my window of the Hay Adams Hotel across Lafayette Square at the White House. I have caught a show at the Grand Old Opre and at the Apollo watched Joe Montana complete a pass in Candlestick Park, Dan Marino complete another in the Orange Bowl and Terry Bradshaw complete yet another at Three Rivers Stadium. I have danced a Square Dance by a bon fire beside a barn in South Carolina and discoed at Studio 54, and got married in my bare feet with Tiki Torches blazing and Hula Dancers swaying. I have drawn Maple Syrup from a tree in Vermont, sheered to wool of a sheep in Maine and milked a cow in Jersey.
I have sipped espresso in Little Italy and coladas in Little Havana. I have given a rebel yell at Shiloh and shouted hurrah walking across the corn field at Gettysburg.

Don’t ask me where my favorite place is or what my favorite thing was, because I sure couldn’t answer you.

You can ask me if I have ever met a human being that didn’t have a redeeming quality though to which I will gladly answer. No I haven’t, thanks OP for helping to bring us all together to celebrate what a great and fantastic, incredibly diverse and beautiful and majestic nation that we all call and share as home is.

Don’t worry my friend, what ever the future brings, we will all be right here for you to lend a hand when you are ready for one.

I call Miami home, but you know it’s really where the heart is, and little bits of mine belong too all kinds of places and people spread throughout this nation that come what may, I will always be proud to call home.

If the south left I'd give it ten years before they collapsed. First you'd have the inbreeding, which they already do...

Second there would be the collapse of roads, bridges, schools, so forth since they wouldn't be leeching off of the north east any more.

Third, they'd start killing each other for the same reason they kill blacks and gays now. "Yous different! I'm more conservative then you and since I'm right that means yous be wrong!" While the less conservative would believe they were in the right and the others in the wrong, and as history shows even being the slightest bit different is reason enough to be killed.

Fourth, after all the Hurricanes and other natural disasters they'd have nothing left. After all if it isn't for big government(FEMA/NAT Guard) they just leave people on their roofs to die. Just look at Katrina. They just stood around and watched people die until the big evil liberal taxed funded groups came in too save them.

Sounds like a little Southern girl just gave some Northern guy the finger.

Gotta watch those Southern girls.

Not only are they good at snake recognition, but a good many can shoot the ears off a field rat at forty yards.

Have a snort, sleep it off, and next time you hear that Southern drawl spoken by a female, head the other direction.

reply to post by JMasters


First....I'd love to see ATS make posters unable to make threads when they have a negative point total.

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You just showed more hate and bigotry than anything you are accusing others of..which by the way is stereotyping.

The same people you stereotype that feed this country...fight for this country..and die for it....all for you to feel some self righteousness that anyone who doesn't live in a highly populated area is racist.

I think you are gutless...spineless...and a coward...not to mention ignorant.

Well OP, you sure managed to piss off a lot of people!!

Let me ask you something? When this great nation decides to rise up against this socialism/commie bull crap, that Obama thinks we're gullible enough to swallow, who has got your back?

Who has the guns,the ammo but more importantly who KNOWS how to use them? I'll give you a hint, it's not the 'fat cat' on wall street it's 'the good ole boy'!! You know, the one who knew how to shoot before he could ride a bicycle!! He's also the one who would give you the shirt off his back! Or invite a perfect stranger to supper because he was down on his luck and had spent his last dime!!

Believe it or not, he would be the first to forgive such ill and ignorant comments.it's what we call Southern Hospitality.

Now you may think we are all bigots and racist down here. Unfortunately those characteristics know no geographical boundaries. But I can tell you one thing, you need something and we will be there for ya! Our word is our bond!!

Maybe you should rethink your comments because I promise you one thing, when the SHTF, like Charlie Daniels used to say...."The South's Gonna Do It Again!!!




[edit on 9-4-2009 by paxnatus]