Alex Jones and Zeitgeist

I don't get why Alex Jones has such a beef with Zeitgeist. The documentary is largely based on Jordan Maxwell's studies. When I hear Jordan Maxwell on Jones' show they are both very much in agreement on each other's views. Jones calls Zeitgeist "new world order propaganda...." ???

If he is talking about the ideas such as The Venus Project in Zeitgeist Addendum then I think he is misunderstanding it. If anything it provides suggestions for an ALTERNATIVE world order, rather than the system of the current lot who are gradually peeping their heads out from behind their pyramid....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlGqT2tKxc0

The first and last time i witnessed alex drawing lines between satanism and the Illuminati ... and barking like a jesus-freak was in his Bohemian Grove documentary... and i can see by this clip that Zeitgeist really pushed these old buttons. All of his attempts to discredit the film are batty at best. This seems to be the typical response of a typical diehard christain... they just "can't handle the truth".

I think John 2:22 may explain this irrational behavior best:

Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?
He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Simple equation really...
Zeitgeist denies that jesus is the one and only god
therefore Zeitgeist is from the devil/NWO

[edit on 16-4-2009 by The All Seeing I]

reply to post by The All Seeing I
I'd rather be a die-hard christian than a hell-bound follower of satanic illusions. I watched zeitgeist, and I seen it's lies from the beginning. It started right off talking about the sun belonging to God. Also, the bible speaks of the demon "molech" and the other satanic works of demonolgy of saturn in the book of leviticus. I believe it's in the 20th chapter. So, where will you spend eternity? Smoking or non-smoking?

yea, seriously. They are riding off the fact that people under similar situations develop similar views on God. It isn't stealing from other religions, it's basically a form of ambiguous evolution.

There is no "eternity" for anyone to go to.
The prime directive of the Universe is to create, which in effect is continuous change. When you leave this life, you will eventually create another one.

I don't think that humans would have come up with any such idea as "God" all by themselves. THey had no need for it. They lived, the worked to survive and eventually died. That is the way it was and they would have accepted the way of life that they had always known. That humans need some explanation for the phenomenon of nature seems to be self-serving propaganda put forth by religionists. THe sole purpose of religion is and has always been CONTROL.

reply to post by OhZone


If your a species that is about to go extinct and has, under so much pressure to evolve, developed imagination (something only humans have), and then, when you did something new (because your an opportunistic hunter), and it rained, I would imagine any normal human would credit it to some unknown force. Hence, animal ism is born. Because it is the human way to give human qualities to what is unknown, a man-like God is born, hence, a new religion forms that is centered around this image. Because the government wants favor with this God, they let the religion rule the laws. Hence, oganized religion is formed.

Also, what's bad with control? So long freedom is allowed limitless until it violates another freedom, I would have no problem with a controlling agent.

Right now your being controlled! By your consciousness and your biological needs. You think you have free will? ha! All your actions are a direct result of needing to fulfill some kind of internal want.

Gormon: Humans have been seeing rain since they first walked the Earth. Why should that cause them to think some “god” did it? Only religion puts forth these ideas and creates superstition. Religion spelled death to the free mind for many centuries. Even today there are people who think that if it isn’t in the bible it isn’t worth reading.

Government allows religion, because it helps them control the people. If it were not for the fear that these entities generate the people would extinguish them both.

Why do you like being controlled ?

Internal wants can be controlled. Do not confuse taking care of the living body with control.

The problem that Alex Jones has is that he is a conspiracy theorist that is ensnared by the oldest and biggest conspiracy and fraud known to humanity....Christianity. Before he really can see clearly he needs to get the plank of Christianity out of his eye.

The Jones Joesph interview on youtube was frighteningly bad.

Jones was puerile and childish and he lost me with his cowardly technique.

Before that I liked Jones, and he gets on well with Icke, and Icke has pretty much dispelled religion too. Maxwell is christian - which I don't understand if he has worked out the NWO and their agenda.

I have cone to a point where I won't argue with any religious person, I mean it is pointless anyway - they have been brainwashed from birth, it isn't their fault.

Rather than argue with them, I now let them know to have a loving intent in what you do and all things around you is the best common ground we can share.

I was going to argue on yetr another thread on Zeitgeist, but why waste energy. When religion becomes a cause for war - well that is not only hypocritical, but it is down right scary.

One thing that bothers me (and I know you all love your guns...) is when I see people of any faith having a gun or other weapon?? To do that seems totally contradictory to the "message" of religion which is supposed to be L-O-V-E !

wZn

reply to post by OhZone


Well when you haven't seen rain fro decades and are forced to drink up water from lowering lakes, and then maybe you do something new, but it rains, that could make someone see some form of intervention.

And you are treating this whole thing like a creationist treats evolution. You only look at the end results. God didn't even get "though of" until thousands of years later. It began with animalism: the belief that there are powers beyond site and beyond knowing that rule the natural world. "God" formed when man does what man does best with the unknown: give it a human face. Then God was born, and took all the many forms he did.

Weather he's real or not is irrelevant. God will always permeate throughout the masses and there's really nothing you can do about it

reply to post by watchZEITGEISTnow


Why does religion have to only be about love? People turn to religion in war. Maybe you've missed the last 9 years, but the invasion of the middle east by the US has done nothing by strengthen terrorists and their hold on poor communities. That's the way it is.

Love is only for religion in peace, and the rare times when it is used in war (Gandhi).

Also, please let me ask you, if there was no religion, how would the world really be different? Wouldn't people just use cultural, hereditary, and other reasons for hate?

Seriously, when in history has humanity not found something to use for hate? It isn't religion's fault, it;s people. if there was no religion, people would hate for other reasons. If those reasons didn't exist, different ways of thinking would be used to hate. And if there was no such thing as different ways of thinking, then you wouldn't have humanity. You would have drones. Hey, isn't that what power-seekers want?

The best way to control is the unitary way. Eliminate all ways for people to think other ways. Religion has been used to bring down dictatorships just as much as build them. If you want control, eliminate what makes it impossible: the human ability to imagine. Eliminate that, and all other things fall and you have drones that do what you want. In order to elimiante imagination, you have to eliminate religion, culture, etc etc. Anything that makes people even consider they are helped by some force beyond or some idea about personhood. Make them animals, and they shall act like it.


That's how you control. Not religion, not hate. You elimiante imagination. There's no other way to control people and to think there is any other way is foolish.

All religion does under a dictatorship is make people think some power might help them resist it. A religion used under a dictatorship will just split, with one group claiming God resists the dictator, and the other group saying God is with the dictator, That's called losing control. With no religion, no culture, no anything but work and some minor fun to look forward to, you have control. Make the people want something that is only very little in quantity and probably not able to be reached. Make them think that nothing is out there but work, and work will get you item X. Make them think that to split off from it will lead to failure. And no, you can;t make item X heaven, because all you'll have is a repeat of the protestant reformation.

Sorry, but your wrong on religion.

again.. religion seems to be the 'thing' that most people can't get past...

let's spell it out: ALL THE ORGANIZED RELIGIONS OF THE LAST 2000 YEARS ARE FRAUDULENT AND IRRELEVENT..

..does that clear it up? could we please get to some real conversation?

cool...

But why? Irrelevant? they've shaped the geopolitical activities for most of human history.

Fraudulent? Why? In the modern era, it is your free choice to live by it in the west, so how can it be fraudulent if it is no longer enforced?

Also, things change. Maybe you forgot that most actions and beliefs of humanity are dynamic. What was bad before cannot be blamed on the same followers who no longer due it. On what grounds can you blame the actions of people by religion 1000 years ago on the same followers of religion today? And on what grounds even today can you blame a religious person for the actions of another religious person elsewhere?

I think you just can't get past the fact that not everyone thinks the same way. And the day we all do is the day humanity dies and becomes basically robots. There will always be religion, and there will always be atheism. There will never be 100% of each, nor will wither ever have permanent dominance over the other. So why bother to argue about it?

cool?

QUESTION:
I also want to ask a question to all those that write a post on every topic under ATS they don't believe in a God or Christ and what idiots people are to believe in religion.
Why do the Illuminati and freemason's worship Lucifer?
Mind you these are the same people behind all our money, all our politicians, all our institutions, behind all those that control the media...This is not some little cult in someones basement in Ohio..these are the most powerful people in the world and they control every aspect of your life.. You people never say a word about them yet they control your whole life...
BUT say there is a God, or that Christ died as a ransom to free your soul and you laugh, ridicule and are blasphemous against the creator of all?
But world leaders go to Bohemian Grove to do mock (wink wink) sacrifices of children to Moloch (a owl) and not a word from you as you attack people who believe in the creator of all??? I find this very very strange.
You believe in the supernatural, demons, ghosts, aliens, paganism, astrology and everything else under the sun but you don't believe in a creator of the universe? The bible and other apocryphal books are filled with the most supernatural events ever recorded..spirits...demons..miracles..giants..the supernatural...yet you been led to equate religion to church ladies, crosses, Jesus pins and satanic pedophiles dressed up as priests because that's what the NWO wants. And you are falling for it.
You would rather believe world leaders that tell you through their (social engineering) institutions, media that there in no God as they sacrifice children to Lucifer..COME ON.. Those that write there is no religion your not very bright. All this NWO crap has already been written in prophecy..and we that have read the prophecy know how the story ends..Read Revelation!

Ephesians 6:12 states:

“For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”

2 Timothy 3:2
Difficult Times Will Come”

1 But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come.
2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy,
3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good,
4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
5 holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.
6 For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses,
7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
8 Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men of depraved mind, rejected in regard to the faith.
9 But they will not make further progress; for their folly will be obvious to all, just as Jannes’s and Jambres’s folly was also.

Originally posted by Wideawake08

QUESTION:
I also want to ask a question to all those that write a post on every topic under ATS they don't believe in a God or Christ and what idiots people are to believe in religion.
Why do the Illuminati and freemason's worship Lucifer?

Im sure that it must just be that the PTB are delusional of course, to worship. Why dont we all just overlook this little problem and not talk about it much? (Sarcasm)

Its all in front of everyones face if they want to see it.

Denial is a powerful delusion in itself and the majority are in denial of the reality around them. Maybe its not complicated enough?

As for zeitgiest, people convieniently leave out the part where they want your cash to start a new society. But I guess its ok for a man to delude other people into falseness.
Its funny because if a gov asked for 100k to fix society and get rid of money people would cry insanity but its ok for someone to make a video asking the same thing.

Its as crazy as the world right now, borrow into oblivion and borrow some more to fix the borrowing problem. Maybe if we borrow enough we will get rid of money huh?

We have nukes to protect us, take everyone elses nukes and weapons off them as they are a threat to us. If they dont comply lets bomb them into oblivion to preserve peace!!?? Afterwards lets sell them some guns and bombs to make some cash.

Homeless, broke? Thats fine, we will take what money you have left and close your bank account. Want another try? Tough because a sheet of paper says that your not profitable, get back onto the street but not my street or ill beat you.

Do I need to go on? Open your eyes....



[edit on 20-4-2009 by XXXN3O]

I doubt they even worship. They are the oldest, highest elites, and wisest, and that almost always is an atheist-type person, besides the 13-22 year old atheist middle class that has always existed in society.

Originally posted by Gorman91
I doubt they even worship. They are the oldest, highest elites, and wisest, and that almost always is an atheist-type person, besides the 13-22 year old atheist middle class that has always existed in society.

Have you seen the Bohemian Grove documentary???
I don't think anyone that has seen it can deny what is right in front of their face.
Have you seen the list of people that attend it? They are the movers and shakers of this world.
WELL I got NEWS for you..they are not ATHEIST my dear...They are worshiping LUCIFER "Moloch" (a owl).
It's a cremation of care ritual...Sacrifice a child and send it down the river...JUST CAST YOUR CARE!! It's a Satanic ritual.
Come ON!!! Really! But believe in Jesus your a crackpot! Please!

may I receive a link to such a thing? I actually never got around to watching this so called documentary.

Originally posted by Wideawake08

Originally posted by Gorman91
I doubt they even worship. They are the oldest, highest elites, and wisest, and that almost always is an atheist-type person, besides the 13-22 year old atheist middle class that has always existed in society.

Have you seen the Bohemian Grove documentary???
I don't think anyone that has seen it can deny what is right in front of their face.
Have you seen the list of people that attend it? They are the movers and shakers of this world.
WELL I got NEWS for you..they are not ATHEIST my dear...They are worshiping LUCIFER "Moloch" (a owl).
It's a cremation of care ritual...Sacrifice a child and send it down the river...JUST CAST YOUR CARE!! It's a Satanic ritual.
Come ON!!! Really! But believe in Jesus your a crackpot! Please!

Not to say that Jesus did not exist , he probably did , and probably was a great person.
Although the church has perverted the true meaning of religion , they probably left a few facts intact.

Believing everything you read in the bible blindly is folly though.

How do you know these people worship "Lucifer" , and how do you even know if that "Lucifer" exists at all? You could say they worship "something" , but out of everything it HAS to be the devil right? Open your mind a little bit.

It could be many things , but the devil fits because he is more likely to have been a tool of fear-control created by the church , and you fear you do not know what they are worshipping.

Also , Christianity is not the only religion in the world , and you just dismissed all of the others religion's credibility , having no knowledge whatsoever of what they are all about.


Finally do not fear those people , that is one of the things that empowers their illusion. Your own Christ taught you to love others , and I believe he was right on.

I am not saying to accept their actions if that will hurt the world.Just do not go around blabbering fear when you are not even sure what it is all about as if you did know.