Women- are they the goverments secert agent?

Originally posted by Astyanax
reply to post by riley

 

Should you ever do me that honour, ma'am, I'm sure I should be only too glad to accept.

* * *

if you take out the garbage I promise I won't stop you.

or is that my job? I forgot my place..

[edit on 10-4-2009 by riley]

reply to post by Edrick


I'm just curious - what do you think feminism is?

in your own words - really - I would love to hear

:-)

Ok then instead of going round' and round' with the insults or (at the very least) inuendos (sp?) what do you propose that "western" women do? Shall we all go to re-education camps to learn how to fire weapons, make bomb shelters, become brainwashed to follow our superior male leaders--that are evidently NOT the same males that have brainwashed us in the first place---which is an enigma in itself...

If this is a post that could have some validity on the "survival" threads, I might tend to agree with something you have to say...begrudgingly but maybe. I only say this because I am certain I could not set up residence in a cave or some such dwelling for a long period of time, not because I am a brainwashed and or a weak woman or a secert agent, but because there are bats in caves and no latte machines...

reply to post by deathpoet69

"no darling don't be stupid and just throw your life away, stay at home and just get on with your day to day job....

you know - you're right when you say this - but only this

women say things like this to the men they care about - because - they would just as soon they didn't die - if they get to have any say in the matter

funny thing

when your wife says "yes sweetheart, that sounds like a brilliant idea - see you later..."

well, THAT is when you should start to worry that things are not quite what they seem

" it is you women who are weak minded enough not to go out and fight the government and support your man to do so, you rather see your man go fight for the goverment than rather against it.

I'm a little confused - who do you despise and distrust more - women - or the government?

looks like you're caught between a rock and a hard place my friend - no wonder you're all angry and everything

:-)

I give.

You caught us.

It is a gigantic plot to subjugate attractive, sensible, men to the will of the herd. We have secret codes that are given to us in "sex-ed" class, that we then wait for our instructions while watching "The View."

bwhahahahahahahahaha.

reply to post by Astyanax


:-)

so nice to see poetry in the middle of all the madness...

it can say more - sometimes it says it better

so, for those that might cry derailment - it's not

you just have to listen - and pay attention:



the prettier version:

Originally posted by mkultraangel
Ok then instead of going round' and round' with the insults or (at the very least) inuendos (sp?) what do you propose that "western" women do? Shall we all go to re-education camps to learn how to fire weapons, make bomb shelters, become brainwashed to follow our superior male leaders--that are evidently NOT the same males that have brainwashed us in the first place---which is an enigma in itself...

If this is a post that could have some validity on the "survival" threads, I might tend to agree with something you have to say...begrudgingly but maybe. I only say this because I am certain I could not set up residence in a cave or some such dwelling for a long period of time, not because I am a brainwashed and or a weak woman or a secert agent, but because there are bats in caves and no latte machines...

as a whole it is the government , the royals, the bankers whoever else who likes to think they can be in control who i am against. my ambition is to over throw the current government which in this day and age is very unlikely, i know women say to their love ones not to do something is because they care i know that, but it bugs me that they don't let us do it, that's preciously what i am on about, they know the government is a danger right? and the government know the women know right? so the government comfort the women to let them know everything is ok and that is then passed on to the men so that there is no revolution all i am saying is they see that it is a little easier to manipulate women rather than it is men so they make sure we are in line so that we can not influence our women to rebel to know that everything is not ok.

"no darling don't be stupid and just throw your life away, stay at home and just get on with your day to day job....

I'm a little confused - who do you despise and distrust more - women - or the government?

worldwide governments and anybody who supports them,i would like to ask women a question, us men have been manipulated the same to be strong and roughed, do you women not see us just as innocent and beautiful as we do you? do you women not see us as equal as we see you? do you think men generally enjoy fighting or harming each other? because i know for a fact men hate it harming each other, were treated as if we are animals in this world and women are treated as if they are candy or some type of delicate flower and i believe this is wrong.

[edit on 10-4-2009 by deathpoet69]

Well, what I think you should consider is that it is not the gender of a person that has anything to do with whether or not someone takes to the streets, so to speak (I am picturing the riots in Greece as an example) NOT gender, but age...young people are more likely to rebel and revolt than an older person (man or woman)...I mean if you are married with children ummmm I don't care who or where you are, you're going to be more concerned with consequences.

Your argument goes to the "confidence of the youth" vs. "cynicism of older people" maybe I could have put that a better way BUT at least I took women out of the "hot seat"

[edit on 10-4-2009 by mkultraangel]

reply to post by deathpoet69


without being a smart ass - I'd really like to say something to you here - because this is the first thing you've said that makes sense to me

...and the government know the women know right? so the government comfort the women to let them know everything is ok and that is then passed on to the men so that there is no revolution...

not that it makes actual sense - but I believe I understand something about what you're trying to say

I don't know where you live - if you've mentioned it I've missed it - so I can't speak about what you're saying specifically - only generally

first - even a very clever government is not usually that clever - but I think there is something to what you're suggesting - your big mistake is believing that women are the only target of this nefarious plan - this idea would work on everybody equally - if it works at all

all i am saying is they see that it is a little easier to manipulate women rather than it is men so they make sure we are in line so that we can not influence our women to rebel to know that everything is not ok.

here I'd like to say something that is probably going to fall on deaf ears - but, here goes...

I think you're young

I think you don't really know women well enough - you haven't had enough experience with them as a group or as individuals - to realize what you're saying

Your entire argument keeps bouncing back and forth between establishing that we have unbelievable powers of persuasion, conniving natures - and that we have an almost magical ability to manipulate - while saying at the exact same time that we're too naive - or maybe even stupid - to know that we're being played

you talk as if our amazing powers are being harnessed by an evil government to bend the people to their will - and essentially all they have to do to lure women into this trap is offer them some candy

does that sound about right?

so - I have to assume when you use the word naive - you do actually mean stupid?

but you've said some other things that make me think - you don't think women are stupid - you've said things (here and there) that make me think you might even like women - you just resent them

because they won't let you go outside to play

my advice to you would be - go outside and play - quit waiting for permission - quit holding a grudge against women for stopping you from doing what you really want to do

OR - admit to yourself that they're not stopping you from doing something you believe in - it's something you don't actually want to be involved in

be honest about the fact that they see the writing on the wall - and know that what you're considering will bring you nothing but trouble - and that trouble will not only rob them possibly of you - but it will all come screaming through the air in a giant ball of flames to land directly on their doorstep and destroy everything inside

you feel better to have someone to blame for your hesitation - but you hesitate not because you're weak, not because you're cowardly, not because your stupid - and not because you're being manipulated - but because you can see the consequences just as plainly as your women folk do

...i know women say to their love ones not to do something is because they care i know that, but it bugs me that they don't let us do it, that's preciously what i am on about, they know the government is a danger right?...

yes - they know - they absolutely know

they also know that losing you is not going to fix one damned thing

edit to add - if you haven't said where - please don't say

[edit on 4/10/2009 by Spiramirabilis]

I don't know where you live - if you've mentioned it I've missed it - so I can't speak about what you're saying specifically - only generally

I live in the north east of England.

first - even a very clever government is not usually that clever - but I think there is something to what you're suggesting - your big mistake is believing that women are the only target of this nefarious plan - this idea would work on everybody equally - if it works at all

Am not saying its just women am saying its easier to target the women than it would be the men, they seem to promote the happy go gay famine type of behaviour, image a customer care operator and how they smile and talk etc, some what patronizing, sarcastic and everything happy type behaviour of alot of men that are the same as women in that respect of behaviour.


all i am saying is they see that it is a little easier to manipulate women rather than it is men so they make sure we are in line so that we can not influence our women to rebel to know that everything is not ok.

I think you're young

26 years old.

I think you don't really know women well enough - you haven't had enough experience with them as a group or as individuals - to realize what you're saying

Met alot women, slept with quite a few women, mainly young girls when i was younger, not really got to know a fully fledge mature woman

Your entire argument keeps bouncing back and forth between establishing that we have unbelievable powers of persuasion, conniving natures - and that we have an almost magical ability to manipulate - while saying at the exact same time that we're too naive - or maybe even stupid - to know that we're being played

you talk as if our amazing powers are being harnessed by an evil government to bend the people to their will - and essentially all they have to do to lure women into this trap is offer them some candy

does that sound about right?

Yah spot on.

so - I have to assume when you use the word naive - you do actually mean stupid?

No, i mean gullible and easily lead, they know better but they continue to be within the system so that they is no hassle.

but you've said some other things that make me think - you don't think women are stupid - you've said things (here and there) that make me think you might even like women - you just resent them

because they won't let you go outside to play

Yes that's right, i do like women and i do resent them in the sense that they seem to get more that what we do and are treated differently which i detest and don't like the way women are exploited in that way that effects us men in the long term.

OR - admit to yourself that they're not stopping you from doing something you believe in - it's something you don't actually want to be involved in

I don't want to see murder from either side but i do want the lies and the dividing to stop.

be honest about the fact that they see the writing on the wall - and know that what you're considering will bring you nothing but trouble - and that trouble will not only rob them possibly of you - but it will all come screaming through the air in a giant ball of flames to land directly on their doorstep and destroy everything inside

Yah i know that too, your very good.

you feel better to have someone to blame for your hesitation - but you hesitate not because you're weak, not because you're cowardly, not because your stupid - and not because you're being manipulated - but because you can see the consequences just as plainly as your women folk do

Correct, i see women as easily lead and i want to try protect them from been manipulated from turning against there fellow man

...i know women say to their love ones not to do something is because they care i know that, but it bugs me that they don't let us do it, that's preciously what i am on about, they know the government is a danger right?...

yes - they know - they absolutely know

they also know that losing you is not going to fix one damned thing

this is why they don't want the hassle, so if they know all this then they just get on with it because they feel they cant win against the law? so in that effect when will they know when to strike?

[edit on 10-4-2009 by deathpoet69]

reply to post by deathpoet69

...i would like to ask women a question, us men have been manipulated the same to be strong and roughed, do you women not see us just as innocent and beautiful as we do you? do you women not see us as equal as we see you? do you think men generally enjoy fighting or harming each other? because i know for a fact men hate it harming each other, were treated as if we are animals in this world and women are treated as if they are candy or some type of delicate flower and i believe this is wrong.

there isn't one thing wrong with anything you've said here

the only thing I can say in response to this is something I said much earlier on -

don't make women your enemy - they aren't better than you - they aren't worse than you

more importantly - and I want you to really think about this - we women aren't all the same

are all men the same?

we're all in this together amigo - all of us - as people

reply to post by deathpoet69

this is why they don't want the hassle...

there are quite a few men who also don't want the hassle

it's not like I don't understand what you're saying - and people do turn a blind eye to the things they don't want to deal with

my only argument with you is that you're not looking at the situation as honestly as you might - you want someone closer to home to blame for the things that are too big and out of your control

quit looking for extra enemies

enemies will be provided for you - free of charge

quit seeing weakness where what you're really seeing is just a different point of view - and a different opinion about what's needed to solve the problems of this world

...so in that effect when will they know when to strike?

without getting all melodramatic about it -

patience is a virtue

you strike when you've run out of peaceful options

if then

reply to post by deathpoet69

o Edrick
why do women never take information in? instead of thinking we are against them which through out this thread we have said we are not

because women are led by their emotions, any perceived slight against ANY women, is perceived to be the most heinous atrocity.

Women love to play the victim, its their lust for attention, which some men are only too happy to provide them with in the hopes of getting some tail.

Shameful really.

What we have here are a bunch of people thinking with their anatomy, instead of their Brains.

@Riley

except for where you accuse all women of oppressing men

Except you also accuse all men of oppressing women.... you know, I don't remember ever owning a woman as chattel property.

I don't remember "oppressing" any women in any manner that you would like to claim that men are responsible for.

You say generalizations are bad, and they you go right ahead and do it.... like you are immune from your own judgements...

Bad form.

@Astyanax

You do not know what my Ideal world is.... Do not presume to.

Don't deceive yourself. The shape of your ideal world is perfectly apparent from your posts. It's you who don't know - rather, don't realize - what it actually is. Oh, I'm sure you can visualize the bits where the lads are all cocks of the walk, and keep the slags and boilers well in line. But it's the consequences, the wider ramifications of that little fantasy you fail to grasp.

Fine, what that I ACTUALLY said are you baseing your presumptions upon?

No assumptions now, back up your claims.

Considering the presumption going on in this thread (about the simultaneous weakness and power of women, the automatic superiority of men, and so forth), I think a tiny bit of presumptuousness on my own part may be justified, don't you? But I don't have to guess at your beliefs; you have already made them distressingly clear.

And that would be?

Even if this were true, what does it mean? Simply that women feel a slight against one of them as a slight against them all. Hardly surprising, that an oppressed sex should feel sensitive to criticism from its oppressors.

John Selden, the author of that quote, never suggested that women were indeed 'guilty of some unworthiness', merely that they behaved as if accused of it.

So all the sudden, you presume that I am injecting new meaning into the quote that wasn't already there?

What the H#|| do you know about what I meant by posting this?

Your presumptions are getting a tab bit old.

@Riley

I'm done talking to you.

If only that were true...


@Spiramirabilis

I'm just curious - what do you think feminism is?

in your own words - really - I would love to hear

:-)

Ah, finally, one who does not presume...


Feminism was originally started as the Suffrage movement, to grant women the right to vote, and various other equal rights.

Since then, it has transformed from an Equality movement, into a Privlidge movement, concerned not with equality in ANY sense, but the superior treatment of women at the expense of men.

As has been shown in my research.

The indoctrination of Feminism plays on the Victim mentality to arouse the anger of women against men, irrationally as it were.

Even though Western women are the most equally treated, and free in all of the world, or history, they are also the most bitter, and self serving.

it is a twisting of logic, that plays upon our basest of instincts and drives, that of procreation to coerce society into a very specific agenda.

That, of total control.

This bitterness should be evidence by the FACT that even in this "Conspiricy" board, I cannot merely voice my views without being visiously attacked.

Any attack on the Institution of Feminism, is seen as an attack on women in general.

-Edrick

reply to post by Edrick


reply to post by Edrick

Ah, finally, one who does not presume...

well, I wouldn't assume that I don't presume - I presume plenty. Right now - I was genuinely interested to have your opinion

I have to admit - I just read through all your previous posts in this thread. It's one of those situations - you bring up a lot of points that I actually agree with - or at least sorta kinda agree with...or, WANT to agree with.

talk about Cognitive Dissonance

the thing is - your anger gives you away - and you are angry. You're not objective - and you do seem to dislike women. No - I can't prove that - but I don't need too – I don’t even want to

what I'm most curious about now is: why so angry Edrick?

...Since then, it has transformed from an Equality movement, into a Privlidge movement, concerned not with equality in ANY sense, but the superior treatment of women at the expense of men.

See - that right there is nothing but opinion

In order for any of your facts and figures to serve as proof of how woman are actually getting the better end of any deal - you would have to prove there is no good reason for why the courts did favor the women - that it was arbitrary - and biased

You may see it that way - doesn't make it so

Now, to be fair to you - I actually agree that there are many times fathers aren't treated fairly in custody cases - to say that it doesn't happen would be dishonest

I’ll toss you another bone – there are many mothers that are awarded custody – that absolutely should not have it

The bias against men in this area happened for a reason - because the numbers would show - if you looked them up - that more men (of the men who leave) are willing to abandon their families than stick by them - or fight for them

Unfortunately - those numbers work directly against the men that do deserve custody

It is unfair - but eventually - those sorts of situations will be judged more and more on an individual basis - equality is what we're shooting for - it's a balancing act

I should remind you that there was a time when all a man had to do was say the words "unfit mother" - and that was that

There was a time when all a man had to do is say “she’s crazy” and they could lock her up and the kids were all his – no fuss, no muss

So, is there any way that you might concede that at some point in history (even if we just stick to the United States for now) women were not treated equally - or fairly?

Or, do you think maybe we've always been coddled? This is the answer I’m really after

As far as military service goes - many women have been fighting to be just as involved as the men - the opposition has been lead primarily by men

I myself don't think anyone should be drafted - that's equality right there

No doubt all of this is part of the big conspiracy you keep mentioning, but I can't even argue against that one - because there is no argument. You can't prove the conspiracy - so you also can't win each and every argument by claiming that things happen specifically because of a conspiracy

if you want to play that way - then I'm just going to counter each and every instance with "nuh-uh - cause God says"

or even Simon says - it would be just as legitimate

...Even though Western women are the most equally treated, and free in all of the world, or history, they are also the most bitter, and self serving.

opinion Edrick

You have so consistently argued that women are nothing but emotional – and yet you end with nothing but emotion

I want to point out – if it is true that Western women are the most free and fairly treated in all the world – it’s not because it was handed to us gratis

Once something is won – you don’t relax and assume that it can’t be taken away – you remain vigilant. Maybe even a little hyper-vigilant.

If that means you have to keep fighting the same battle over and over – so be it

P.S. I like how you sign every post “Edrick”

like we’re going to forget :-)

reply to post by Spiramirabilis


Now you see... I can actually Argue a point with you.

the thing is - your anger gives you away - and you are angry. You're not objective - and you do seem to dislike women. No - I can't prove that - but I don't need too – I don’t even want to

what I'm most curious about now is: why so angry Edrick?

Well, having false accusations hurled at m and being openly attacked because I am not agreed with is one reason, but I am not as Angry as you probly would believe.

No, I don't dislike women, I dislike people who would rather not think objectively about things, and close their minds to an opposing viewpoint because of their feelings.

Trust me, it is Gender Neutral.

See - that right there is nothing but opinion

In order for any of your facts and figures to serve as proof of how woman are actually getting the better end of any deal - you would have to prove there is no good reason for why the courts did favor the women - that it was arbitrary - and biased

Yeah, I have already provided countless examples.

Women are exempted from selective service. (Military draft) Tell me that is equal treatment... I dare you.

Women are favored for child custody (in all cases), (Whereas it would be a 50-50 split if it was equitable) is that equal?

Men have to pay child support FAR more often than women (Per Capita) How fair is that?

Men are more likely to be able to pay for a child's expenses (hence the child support awards) why then do the children go with the mother if the father is better equipd to take care of them?

The bias against men in this area happened for a reason - because the numbers would show - if you looked them up - that more men (of the men who leave) are willing to abandon their families than stick by them - or fight for them

What is your source?

I should remind you that there was a time when all a man had to do was say the words "unfit mother" - and that was that

I should remind you all the mother has to say is "Child Abuse" and she is granted automatic custody.

So, is there any way that you might concede that at some point in history (even if we just stick to the United States for now) women were not treated equally - or fairly?

Or, do you think maybe we've always been coddled? This is the answer I’m really after

Are children treated equally?

They are not allowed to make their own decisions, do you think that is fair?

I myself don't think anyone should be drafted - that's equality right there

Well, like it or not, MEN are drafted.... Women are coddled.

No doubt all of this is part of the big conspiracy you keep mentioning, but I can't even argue against that one - because there is no argument. You can't prove the conspiracy

I'm gathering my ammunition for the battle.. and i'm here to sharpen my arguments.

opinion Edrick

You have so consistently argued that women are nothing but emotional – and yet you end with nothing but emotion

I REMAIN the only one here who has posted solid evidence to back up my claim... do not argue that I am emotional when I am following the rules of a debate, and you are not.

I want to point out – if it is true that Western women are the most free and fairly treated in all the world – it’s not because it was handed to us gratis

Once something is won – you don’t relax and assume that it can’t be taken away – you remain vigilant. Maybe even a little hyper-vigilant.

If that means you have to keep fighting the same battle over and over – so be it

BUT WHO ARE YOU FIGHTING AGAINST!?!?!?!?!

P.S. I like how you sign every post “Edrick”

like we’re going to forget :-)

You will Remember my name.

-Edrick

reply to post by Edrick

BUT WHO ARE YOU FIGHTING AGAINST!?!?!?!?!

do you need a clue?

:-)

so Edrick - I will actually follow up on this - but not tonight - I am down for the count tonight

and about you not being angry - just not buying it :-)

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by Edrick

 

BUT WHO ARE YOU FIGHTING AGAINST!?!?!?!?!

do you need a clue?

:-)

so Edrick - I will actually follow up on this - but not tonight - I am down for the count tonight

and about you not being angry - just not buying it :-)

but I am not as Angry as you probly would believe.

Learn how to read.


-Edrick

Originally posted by deathpoet69
So you accept there is an elite agenda to manipulate you because they see you as a more easier target to stop a revolution?

I have already explained that I am a man.

Yes i have something against western women more, i see that eastern women are more likely to join in a revolution than a woman from the western capitalist world.

In fact, I am a man of the East. And you are talking through your hat, I'm afraid. Or are you talking about women like this?
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/3a86e764d08e.jpg[/atsimg]
You wouldn't last five minutes on a date with her, my friend.

Originally posted by Astyanax

Originally posted by deathpoet69
So you accept there is an elite agenda to manipulate you because they see you as a more easier target to stop a revolution?

I have already explained that I am a man.

Yes i have something against western women more, i see that eastern women are more likely to join in a revolution than a woman from the western capitalist world.

In fact, I am a man of the East. And you are talking through your hat, I'm afraid. Or are you talking about women like this?
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/3a86e764d08e.jpg[/atsimg]
You wouldn't last five minutes on a date with her, my friend.

yes women like that i respect who will fight, you wouldn't see a western woman do that

[edit on 11-4-2009 by deathpoet69]