Women- are they the goverments secert agent?

Originally posted by undo
i don't think that's what these gentlemen are saying. if i'm not mistaken, one of them is saying he doesn't like women but is pressured by society to get a woman.

Hi, undo. I suppose the 'one who doesn't like women' is andy1033. I think his outlook is very different from the ones I described (hi, there, Andy!) and while I don't wish to get personal about a fellow-member, I have followed his posts for some time and will bet you anything you like his problem isn't women.

(Clearly, Andy himself doesn't see it that way)

deep down, at the very bottom of this issue, i see [other posters on this thread] saying that women, due to their traditional role in life (caretakers of home and hearth) have a tendency to expect men who they procreate with to act responsibly as regards them and their progeny. the guys on this thread who think it's a conspiracy, don't appear to like the arrangement because to them, it feels like a trap. if they must act responsibly, they won't be able to revolt when necessary or what have you.

i'm assuming, therefore, they feel as if the conspiracy is about women even being on the planet in the first place.

You are saying the same as I; you're just being nicer about it.

At bottom, men are hardwired for tomcatting and lighting out for the territory. It's a case of different evolutionary strategies for males and females due to the difference in the amount of time and energy each sex must dedicate to procreation. So what the men on this are griping about is nothing new or special - this is what all men, in their unreconstructed, apish longeurs, actually feel.

But seriously attempting to blame women for it, proudly airing one's misogyny in this way, takes one beyond the ambit of normal, socially acceptable behaviour.

I wonder if the boys who post this stuff realize just how sad it makes them look in the eyes of men. Never mind the women.

[edit on 9/4/09 by Astyanax]

reply to post by vkey08

...there are nuts in both genders, I have never subscribed to the view that it's only men that commit crimes or beat people or even ruin lives, there are just as many women and because society as a whole sees them as the "weaker sex" they tend to get the breaks where men do not...

I only wish more people would look at things this way

how we treat each other is the only thing that matters - regardless of gender

I've seen women do some truly horrible things to men - and to each other - and to their children

this doesn't say anything more about the nature of women than it does about the nature of men - the only thing that you could possibly come away with after having lived on this planet for even a little while is that some of us suck at being human

however - there are both women and men - many in fact - that are truly beautiful people

I don't see one gender wearing the white hat and the other the black

when comparing the crimes we commit against each other, the only real difference I can see between men and women might be the difference between obvious and subtle

we might as well ask which can do the most damage - fire or radiation?

reply to post by Astyanax

At bottom, men are hardwired for tomcatting and lighting out for the territory. It's a case of different evolutionary strategies for males and females due to the difference in the amount of time and energy each sex must dedicate to procreation. So what the men on this are griping about is nothing new or special - this is what all men, in their unreconstructed, apish longeurs, actually feel.

and I think women know and accept this - up to a point

they get used to all the coming and going

thinking about where we came from - so long ago - and how little has changed - I can almost hear the words of advice that might have come from one of our more worldly wise female ancestors

seeing the anguished look on the face of one of the girls as the men are leaving - yet again - she would likely say:

"Don't get too attached dear. They have a tendency to wander off and die out there."

What is a secert agent?

The OP must not have been on ATS long enough to meet some of our great women. Pity that.

Don't want to start a revolution? blaming women for your lack of.. ahem. "motivation" is just cowardly. Whats even more pathetic is you guys are actually implying that if it weren't for this grand conspiracy you would be leading a revolt and be leading mankind into a new age?!
Sure you would.

..because the ruling elite are just that afraid of you


[edit on 9-4-2009 by riley]

Yes thats exactly it, your understanding now, and of course your going to laugh because you know we know your game.

reply to post by Astyanax


fifty year old man should know better and dose know better to know about the structural mind of a woman and the differences between man and woman mentally, women are natural revolutionary fighters, they are convincing speakers, better than any man, they are been turned against their own adversaries for love and peace and are turning towards lust and greed, you understand men are naturally territory creatures like most animal genders and women are protective of their children, however what you fail to understand is that most women that the elite try to control are brain washing men to get alot of money to support their children and wife's, load alot of pressure on them and then if it dose not work out the money is taken away from them and given to the woman because the woman is manipulated to believe that they deserve it more because of the way things have been manipulated in this way along time ago.

Question this: For a bully to make someone who is strong weak they make them feel good or they find something to make them weaker to be controlled over or if they can not get their way they suppress them, in this case women have been dumbed down with all the fairytale romances, the dolls, make up, dress's boys, been treated well etc were as the boys are given this macho scenario and are alot more gullible to do what they are told.
The difference is the women are been dumbed down enough so that they do not realise their real course in life, women are very revolutionary as i have previously mentioned so they are taught to be against their men.

[edit on 9-4-2009 by deathpoet69]

reply to post by deathpoet69


This is the sexiest reply! My my, I always stand up and out to protect love beauty and respect!!!

reply to post by HulaAnglers


no sexism in it at all

reply to post by deathpoet69


I thought you fresh and true in your statement! Thats all...Peace,(maybe you misread)

I as a woman, cherish that everyone is happy and well, I devote my entire life to the wellbeing of my loved ones and community, I am a true revolutionary when I witness an injustice, I have no fear, cause I'm right!!!





[edit on 9-4-2009 by HulaAnglers]

So were's the OP, still hasn't answered my question what's a secert agent?

reply to post by riley

What privileges? new makeup? It sounds like you guys are getting your info off television adds and not real life.. no-one is keeping me complacent and if I buy a pretty pair of shoes or smile sweetly it doesn't suddenly turn me into a weapon of the illuminati trying to enslave the male species.

I am SOOOO glad you asked this question, you want to know what privileges I mean?

Let me enlighten you.

Women are 5 times more likely to be granted custody of children after a divorce
(Source: Current Population Reports, U.S. Bureau of the Census, Series P-20, No. 458)

Custodial mothers are 4 times more likely to receive support payment awards than custodial fathers.
(Technical Analysis Paper No. 42, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Income Security Policy)

Women are expected to be equally represented in high paying Corporate positions and government jobs, but are not expected to be equally represented in the Dangerous, and Hazardous jobs that are traditionally male only.

Women receive the Right to vote as men have, but are not expected to register for a military draft.

A woman can completely destroy a mans life just by claiming rape... even if it is later proven to be false, his life is still ruined.

In cases where the Man who was paying child support to a custodial mother, turns out NOT to be the biological father from DNA evidence, he must continue child support payments for a child that is not even his.
(Child Support Enforcement Amendments of 1984, P.L. 98-378, Section 18 as codified at 42 U.S.C. sec. 667)

Approximately 38% of all non custodial fathers have absolutely no visitation rights with their children.
(p.6, col.II, para. 6, lines 4 & 5, Census Bureau P-60, #173)

Non custodial mothers who are ordered to pay child support are twice as likely to default on payments than non custodial fathers who are ordered to pay child support.
(Technical Analysis Paper No. 42, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Income Security Policy)

A woman alone has the right to chose to carry a child to term, or to have an abortion, but a man has no right to Chose to be a parent in such a fashion.

Despite the push for "Modernity" of Gender relations, men are still expected to initiate relationships, as women seem to be incapable of such acts of "Equality".

You COULD argue with my above data... but you would have to take that up with the Department of Census, Health and Human Services, and Department of Defense.

I could go ON AND ON about this kind of crap... But I'll let you absorb this first.

There is also the possibilty that YOU are being brainwashed by the "ruling elite" into thinking women are being used against you to keep you down. What are you doing right now? Instead of fighting against the ruling elite themselves you are fighting against women who are meant to be just the middle men in their evil plot. Way to keep your eye on the ball there mate.

"In war, it is of extreme importance to attack the enemies strategy"
-Sun Tzu, The Art of War.

Don't want to start a revolution? blaming women for your lack of.. ahem. "motivation" is just cowardly. Whats even more pathetic is you guys are actually implying that if it weren't for this grand conspiracy you would be leading a revolt and be leading mankind into a new age?!

You seem to be missing a key point here... this war is fought in the MIND.

So, the ideal attack strategy is to convince others that the bars to the "Cage" are in fact... REAL.

So that a revolutionary "Meme" will spread throughout the land, and people will wake up to their prison.

Wake up Neo.


-Edrick

Originally posted by Edrick
reply to post by riley

 

What privileges? new makeup? It sounds like you guys are getting your info off television adds and not real life.. no-one is keeping me complacent and if I buy a pretty pair of shoes or smile sweetly it doesn't suddenly turn me into a weapon of the illuminati trying to enslave the male species.

I am SOOOO glad you asked this question, you want to know what privileges I mean?

Let me enlighten you.

Women are 5 times more likely to be granted custody of children after a divorce
(Source: Current Population Reports, U.S. Bureau of the Census, Series P-20, No. 458)

Custodial mothers are 4 times more likely to receive support payment awards than custodial fathers.
(Technical Analysis Paper No. 42, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Income Security Policy)

Women are expected to be equally represented in high paying Corporate positions and government jobs, but are not expected to be equally represented in the Dangerous, and Hazardous jobs that are traditionally male only.

Women receive the Right to vote as men have, but are not expected to register for a military draft.

A woman can completely destroy a mans life just by claiming rape... even if it is later proven to be false, his life is still ruined.

In cases where the Man who was paying child support to a custodial mother, turns out NOT to be the biological father from DNA evidence, he must continue child support payments for a child that is not even his.
(Child Support Enforcement Amendments of 1984, P.L. 98-378, Section 18 as codified at 42 U.S.C. sec. 667)

Approximately 38% of all non custodial fathers have absolutely no visitation rights with their children.
(p.6, col.II, para. 6, lines 4 & 5, Census Bureau P-60, #173)

Non custodial mothers who are ordered to pay child support are twice as likely to default on payments than non custodial fathers who are ordered to pay child support.
(Technical Analysis Paper No. 42, U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Income Security Policy)

A woman alone has the right to chose to carry a child to term, or to have an abortion, but a man has no right to Chose to be a parent in such a fashion.

Despite the push for "Modernity" of Gender relations, men are still expected to initiate relationships, as women seem to be incapable of such acts of "Equality".

You COULD argue with my above data... but you would have to take that up with the Department of Census, Health and Human Services, and Department of Defense.

I could go ON AND ON about this kind of crap... But I'll let you absorb this first.

There is also the possibilty that YOU are being brainwashed by the "ruling elite" into thinking women are being used against you to keep you down. What are you doing right now? Instead of fighting against the ruling elite themselves you are fighting against women who are meant to be just the middle men in their evil plot. Way to keep your eye on the ball there mate.

"In war, it is of extreme importance to attack the enemies strategy"
-Sun Tzu, The Art of War.

Don't want to start a revolution? blaming women for your lack of.. ahem. "motivation" is just cowardly. Whats even more pathetic is you guys are actually implying that if it weren't for this grand conspiracy you would be leading a revolt and be leading mankind into a new age?!

You seem to be missing a key point here... this war is fought in the MIND.

So, the ideal attack strategy is to convince others that the bars to the "Cage" are in fact... REAL.

So that a revolutionary "Meme" will spread throughout the land, and people will wake up to their prison.

Wake up Neo.


-Edrick

All untrue, I have seen only the opposite of what you state! Really, As a woman In a "Man's World" I am living under a knife every moment of the day! It is very difficult to also be blamed for Man's every problem while juggling life and its nurturance, most men are all about destruction and are truly cheap and devoid of integrity and creativity, If there is a GOD I will be the first one to truly kick his cheap sadisstic ass!!!! for the violation he let happen to me and all the victims, women children and old people and yes some men, all the pure and peacefull inhabitants of the planet.

[edit on 9-4-2009 by HulaAnglers]

reply to post by HulaAnglers

All untrue, I have seen only the opposite of what you state!

Listen, honey... I have quoted Cold, Hard data from the United states federal government, Census bureau...

The fact that you are denying this FACTUAL evidence based on your bias is proof of your inability to see the truth.

Try again... because you just failed.

-Edrick

Originally posted by Edrick
reply to post by HulaAnglers

 

All untrue, I have seen only the opposite of what you state!

Listen, honey... I have quoted Cold, Hard data from the United states federal government, Census bureau...

The fact that you are denying this FACTUAL evidence based on your bias is proof of your inability to see the truth.

Try again... because you just failed.

-Edrick

Hey angry little rabbit, are you a woman? Your hard cold data is bs to me and my sisters, we are only too aware of the rotten deal you are imposing on us.

reply to post by HulaAnglers

Hey angry little rabbit, are you a woman? Your hard cold data is bs to me and my sisters, we are only too aware of the rotten deal you are imposing on us.

Cold hard data is not BS... it is empirical evidence, a.k.a. TRUTH.

Get used to it, it is what the world is made of.

It does not matter how right you "Feel", because you are still wrong, get it?

And just for purposes of argument... what rotten deal is the big bad patriarchy foisting on you poor helpless (and yet strangely enough, equal) women?

-Edrick

Originally posted by Edrick
reply to post by HulaAnglers

 

And just for purposes of argument... what rotten deal is the big bad patriarchy foisting on you poor helpless (and yet strangely enough, equal) women?

-Edrick

Well your "your hard cold" data forced down my throat, for one!

We are equal in spirit only! We have different functions, men have bullied there way into everything, they miss the mark at every turn, they use their stength in the most inapropriate ways, these threads that blame women for whatever reason usualy bring out the mysoginist male, I always get a kick out of them, I will always single you out for your imput.

The best thing about this very entertaining thread is that it has gone nearly a week without the spelling error in the title being corrected!

I think "secret" was misspelled on purpose. There's your conspiracy!

reply to post by HulaAnglers

Well your "your hard cold" data forced down my throat, for one!

So *I* am the patriarchy, right?

Jeez.... that is a sad rebuttal.

We are equal in spirit only! We have different functions

YES!

men have bullied there way into everything, they miss the mark at every turn, they use their stength in the most inapropriate ways

Are you arguing my point, or trying to convince me that men are the devil?

Fairer sex indeed... *Humph*

these threads that blame women for whatever reason usualy bring out the mysoginist male, I always get a kick out of them, I will always single you out for your imput.

I do remember saying that the blame for this particular one was the Mass Media Corporate control system... the Illuminati.

Are you suggesting that women are NOT susceptible to brainwashing?

Oh, and by the way... these threads bring out FAR more often the Misandrist Female. (And also, the Misandrist Male)

-Edrick

[edit on 9-4-2009 by Edrick]

Wow this thread is something else.....really there are 2 types of people in this world, the kind that do the best to find out the truth about their environment and make it a better place (if possible) OR the people, who only care about what others think of them, therefore take no time to research facts and will readily jump on the "he-man woman hater" agenda or vice versa.

Study conflict theory OP...but take out "class" and insert "gender"....

It does sound like you are trying to start a war, so the real question is--to quote Marky Mark

"How messed up are you?"