Women- are they the goverments secert agent?

When they make a SPERM HEIST ; do they rob a SPERM BANK???

reply to post by Edrick

What makes you think that I am PRESUMING to speak FOR you... I speaking for myself.

For this relief, much thanks.

And so, since you are merely articulating some sad personal obsession, I shall leave you to continue this self-pitying monologue without further interruption. I'm sure I won't be the first to have done so.

reply to post by Edrick


Well darling, I know you to be mysoginist, probably very gay too! I do not apologise in advance, actually you make me think of this friend of mine, he/she is getting worst as he/she is getting older, angry and very emotional, you men should stop competing with women, really!





[edit on 12-4-2009 by HulaAnglers]

reply to post by Astyanax

Amazing the way your mind works.

I say 'unrestrained access to sexual fulfilment' and you visualize cohabitation with minors. That's clinical evidence of obsession, it seems to me.

There are LAWS against "Unrestrained" sexual fulfillment.

Like, the aforementioned sexual activity of minors, this sort of act is *RESTRICTED*, so your argument is AGAINST age of consent laws, and you are actually arguing FOR rape.

If you don't want women 'stealing' your precious sperm, O Furious Bunnyrabbit, don't have sex with them. What did you think sex was for? Fun?

And I suppose when a woman loses an egg through menstruation, it would be perfectly acceptable to take it, fertilize it, incubate it, and then ask her for child support?

For this relief, much thanks.

And so, since you are merely articulating some sad personal obsession, I shall leave you to continue this self-pitying monologue without further interruption. I'm sure I won't be the first to have done so.

Somehow, I don't think you CAN leave this one alone.

@HulaAnglers

Well darling, I know you to be mysoginist, probably very guay too! I do not apologise in advance, actually you make me think of this friend of mine, he/she is getting worst as he/she is getting older, angry and very emotional, you men should stop competing with women, really!

You make me think of Pavlov's Dog... always responding to stimuli in accordance to your programming.

Do any of you have the Capacity to argue the point without resorting to this sort of 3rd grade tactic of attack?

Or was I wrong about the intellect level of the posters on this board?

-Edrick

Originally posted by Edrick
reply to post by Astyanax

 

Amazing the way your mind works.

I say 'unrestrained access to sexual fulfilment' and you visualize cohabitation with minors. That's clinical evidence of obsession, it seems to me.

There are LAWS against "Unrestrained" sexual fulfillment.

Like, the aforementioned sexual activity of minors, this sort of act is *RESTRICTED*, so your argument is AGAINST age of consent laws, and you are actually arguing FOR rape.

Wow.. you're not even trying to spin people's words now.. you are outright lieing about what they have actually said..

If you don't want women 'stealing' your precious sperm, O Furious Bunnyrabbit, don't have sex with them. What did you think sex was for? Fun?

And I suppose when a woman loses an egg through menstruation,

You really need to listen to your biology teacher.

it would be perfectly acceptable to take it, fertilize it, incubate it, and then ask her for child support?

You keep citing this as.. evidence for what?? that this happens all the time? No it doesn't yet you keep talking about it as though it's a common social problem. There are no evil criminal organisations of women sleeping with men and then selling used condoms on the black market.. frankly it wouldn't take much to convince a man to not wear a condom so conspiring to sleal it out the rubbish turkey baster in hand just sounds deluded.

You are really grasping at straws if you think thats going to make all women look bad.

Or was I wrong about the intellect level of the posters on this board?

Yep- that sure doesn't sound like you have got anger issues..

[edit on 12-4-2009 by riley]

reply to post by riley

Wow.. you're not even trying to spin people's words now.. you are outright lieing about what they have actually said..

No, Unrestraind means Complete freedom regardless of consiquences.

I was responding to Astyanax's question as to whether women should be allowed (or not) Unrestricted access to sexual fulfillment.

And this is in complete opposition to most of the worlds laws ON sex.

We RESTRICT access to Sexual fulfillment for a WIDE range of things, and that is GOOD.

unrestrained access to sexual fulfillment would mean that Rape, Pedophilia, etc are allowed.

And I am NOT in agreement with Unrestrained Sexual Fulfillment.

I was trying to get Astyanax to restate his question to be more applicable to the *Restrictions* of laws.

You really need to listen to your biology teacher.

In female mammals, the lining of the uterus builds up during the fertile period of her menstrual cycle.

IT is during this time that an egg leaves the ovaries (Ovulation), if the egg is not fertilized within 2 weeks, the change in progesterone signals the onset of menstruation, shedding the built up layers of the uterus AND the egg. (Sometimes Fertilized eggs are lost this way)

You keep citing this as.. evidence for what?

As a counter argument for Astyanax's claim that sperm theft is completely morally justified.

No it doesn't yet you keep talking about it as though it's a common social problem.

Yes... it Does.

www.enterstageright.com...

"A recent poll of 5,000 women conducted for That's Life! magazine in the United Kingdom found that 42 per cent of women say they would lie about contraception in order to get pregnant, regardless of the wishes of their partners."

All the time.

overlawyered.com...

You really don't see the Hypocrisy in this at all?


-Edrick

Originally posted by Edrick
reply to post by riley

 

Wow.. you're not even trying to spin people's words now.. you are outright lieing about what they have actually said..

No, Unrestraind means Complete freedom regardless of consiquences.

I was responding to Astyanax's question as to whether women should be allowed (or not) Unrestricted access to sexual fulfillment.

And this is in complete opposition to most of the worlds laws ON sex.

We RESTRICT access to Sexual fulfillment for a WIDE range of things, and that is GOOD.

unrestrained access to sexual fulfillment would mean that Rape, Pedophilia, etc are allowed.

And I am NOT in agreement with Unrestrained Sexual Fulfillment.

Rape has nothing to do with sexual fulfillment.. it is about power and normal people are not into pedophelia etc.

I was trying to get Astyanax to restate his question to be more applicable to the *Restrictions* of laws.

You really need to listen to your biology teacher.

In female mammals, the lining of the uterus builds up during the fertile period of her menstrual cycle.

IT is during this time that an egg leaves the ovaries (Ovulation), if the egg is not fertilized within 2 weeks, the change in progesterone signals the onset of menstruation, shedding the built up layers of the uterus AND the egg. (Sometimes Fertilized eggs are lost this way)

The egg and lining are discarded because they are no longer viable so saying someone could use it to concieve is silly.

You keep citing this as.. evidence for what?

As a counter argument for Astyanax's claim that sperm theft is completely morally justified.

Actually you were using the arguement way before he mentioned it and he did not say it was justified. He clearly was saying that when you ejeculate inside a fertile woman that is not theft it is consentual.

No it doesn't yet you keep talking about it as though it's a common social problem.

Yes... it Does.

www.enterstageright.com...

"A recent poll of 5,000 women conducted for That's Life! magazine in the United Kingdom found that 42 per cent of women say they would lie about contraception in order to get pregnant, regardless of the wishes of their partners."

All the time.

Again nice spin but stealing a used condomn and using a turkey baster is completely different from lieing about contraception. It's the guys own problem if he chooses to not wear a condom as he knows a possible lie can't magically stop him getting a woman pregnant. "But she said she was on the pill!" is pathetic, isn't an excuse as even if she was lieing it is not fail safe anyway. taking anti-biotics could render it useless so he needs to protect himself instead of whining about how unfair life is after the fact.

overlawyered.com...

You really don't see the Hypocrisy in this at all?

It's not hypocritical as that has nothing to do with stealing condoms.
Regardless I think she should be charged with rape and he shouldn't have to pay child support so I'm not sure why you are using the point.

[edit on 12-4-2009 by riley]

Originally posted by Edrick
reply to post by deathpoet69

 

You are precisely correct.

Women are far more social than men, as women depend upon society to a much greater extent than men. (They are defenseless and for all intents and purposes, useless for a period of their pregnancy, they depend upon others during that time)

Thus, a women will go to farther lengths to save "Face" within society (Early Tribes for example, so that they will continue to receive protection and care when they cannot care for themselves)

Civilians in war zones
Women and children worst

Feb 19th 2009
From The Economist print edition
Much butchery, some retribution


BABIES’ skulls dashed against rocks; attempts to twist off the heads of toddlers. Girls, their mothers and grandmothers (and sometimes male relatives too) raped at knife- or gunpoint, the weapons then used to inflict mutilation. Women hauled off to camps or just tied to trees and gang-raped. Thousands of children, some as young as nine, snatched or recruited by armed gangs (or regular forces) and made into drug-crazed killers, the girls among them often serially abused or taken by commanders as “wives”.

Such are the horrors reported from some recent conflict zones. In civil wars, women and children always fare worst. But with every new killing-field, from Bosnia to Liberia, Sierra Leone, Congo, the Central African Republic or the Darfur region of Sudan..., the level of cruelty seems to shock even the most seasoned observers...www.economist.com...


If you like research so much just google "atrocities, women" and you will have hours of entertainment, as for here, in our cosy little western world, I did not have a rich daddy, so my life was mostly spent trying not to get too raped or abused by my own men, never mind letting me earn my money or get credit for my work, I see most of the men as jealous envious, sadistic and cowardly, the way I have been treated, was to render me helpless! Along with the critisism and the bashing, then the finger pointing if you dare show emotion.

It is so nice to be able to express myself, without getting punched in the face, thanks ATS

reply to post by riley

Rape has nothing to do with sexual fulfillment.. it is about power.....

It's about sexual fulfillment to the rapist.

But you aren't even paying attention to my original argument.

In response to Astyanax's question:

Tell me, Edrick - you who had the unbelievable gall, in an earlier post, to equate women with children - do you think it right that women should have unrestrained access to sexual fulfilment? Or is that, too, for men only?

I was trying to explain that NOTHING in our society is unrestrained.

We have laws that RESTRAIN people from certain actions.

For example,

Some men gt their rocks off by raping women.

If their "Sexual Access" was "Unrestrained" then rape would be legal.

This is NOT the case, as that PARTICULAR access of sexual fulfillment is (Rightly So) RESTRAINED.

You are missing the entire point of the argument.

The egg and lining are discarded because they are no longer viable so saying someone could use it to concieve is silly.

It was a hypothetical example to highlight the double standard.

IT does not matter if it is logistically impossible... would YOU be perfectly fine with someone taking *WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE* your genetic material, using it to create a child, and forcing you to pay child support FOR that child?

Again nice spin but stealing a used condomn and using a turkey baster is completely different from lieing about contraception.

Yes, it IS different, I was pointing out that this sort of thing DOES happen, contrary to your statement.

Women use underhanded tactics to impregnate themselves in order to gain child support payments from a man.

You seem to think that it does not happen, I countered your claim.

It's not hypocritical as that has nothing to do with stealing condoms.

Yes, but the STOLEN CONDOMS *DO* have something to do with STEALING CONDOMS...

Sheesh...

Did you READ the articles I posted?


@HulaAnglers

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKaaaaaaaaay....?!?!?!


-Edrick

Originally posted by Edrick
reply to post by riley

 

Rape has nothing to do with sexual fulfillment.. it is about power.....

It's about sexual fulfillment to the rapist.

so are disagreeing thats it's about power?

But you aren't even paying attention to my original argument.

In response to Astyanax's question:

Tell me, Edrick - you who had the unbelievable gall, in an earlier post, to equate women with children - do you think it right that women should have unrestrained access to sexual fulfilment? Or is that, too, for men only?

I was trying to explain that NOTHING in our society is unrestrained.

We have laws that RESTRAIN people from certain actions.

For example,

Some men gt their rocks off by raping women.

If their "Sexual Access" was "Unrestrained" then rape would be legal.

This is NOT the case, as that PARTICULAR access of sexual fulfillment is (Rightly So) RESTRAINED.

You are missing the entire point of the argument.

Actually I don't really care what your point is.. I just saw you implying that someone else was condoning rape when they were not.

The egg and lining are discarded because they are no longer viable so saying someone could use it to concieve is silly.

It was a hypothetical example to highlight the double standard.

To have a double standard the same thing would need to apply. Obviously stealing menstral blood with a view to using it to concieve is a nonsensical scenario.

IT does not matter if it is logistically impossible... would YOU be perfectly fine with someone taking *WITHOUT YOUR KNOWLEDGE* your genetic material, using it to create a child, and forcing you to pay child support FOR that child?

If you have sex with someone you are consenting to the possibilty of conception.. and if you have sex with someone you have knowledge of that possibilty.
Stealing condoms would rarely happen so I'm not sure why you think it's such a great mark against the female gender. You keep arguing it as a point.. why? Is it part of the conspiracy the OP was talking about?

Again nice spin but stealing a used condomn and using a turkey baster is completely different from lieing about contraception.

Yes, it IS different, I was pointing out that this sort of thing DOES happen, contrary to your statement.

Actually I said it would rarely happen so it was not contrary to my statement. YOU were trying to say it happens all the time which is absolute bs.

Yes, but the STOLEN CONDOMS *DO* have something to do with STEALING CONDOMS...

Sheesh...

Did you READ the articles I posted?

Yes I did. It mentioned stealing condoms.. yet then it also mentioned women lieing about contraception as though they were the same issue when they're not (you even tried to say they were the same thing by mentioning those stats). Thats missleading as suddenly all women who just forget to take the pill are on par with women who steal condoms from strangers and impregnate themselves. An obvious agenda by yourself and the author.

[edit on 12-4-2009 by riley]

reply to post by riley

so are disagreeing thats it's about power?

No, I am disagreeing with you when you say that it is NOT about sexual fulfillment.

Actually I don't really care what your point is.. I just saw you implying that someone else was condoning rape when they were not.

Actually, your argument of this point is irrelevant...

You do not understand the context that I was using this metaphor IN, and I was not arguing with YOU about it.

To have a double standard the same thing would need to apply. Obviously stealing menstral blood with a view to using it to concieve is a nonsensical scenario.

Yeah... but what if someone stole your EGGS in this scenario?

Which is what my actual question WAS.

Stealing condoms would rarely happen so I'm not sure why you think it's such a great mark against the female gender.

The original question *ONCE AGAIN* was about unrestrained sexual access.

I was remarking to Astyanax that the phrase he used "Unrestrained Sexual Access" was an unhealthy example of what he ACTUALLY should have said.

As Sexual access that is UNRESTRAINED would include rape, pedophilia, theft of genetic material, etc.

I was remarking that he should rephrase his question to one that is not so obviously loaded as a trap, or perhaps more specific in its application.

And as that is the case, the rest of your queries are irrelevant.


-Edrick

Originally posted by Edrick
reply to post by riley

 

so are disagreeing thats it's about power?

No, I am disagreeing with you when you say that it is NOT about sexual fulfillment.

Violence is the motive.. the penis is the weapon. If it were about sexual fulfillment he wouldn't need to use the violence at all. it's a different itch he's scratching.

Yeah... but what if someone stole your EGGS in this scenario?

Which is what my actual question WAS.

If? Sorry but I'm not going to go back and forth arguing over a silly hypothetical scenario that could never actually happen in reality anyway.. and stealing condoms happens rarely yet you've been using this example to vilify women as a collective.

reply to post by riley

Violence is the motive.. the penis is the weapon. If it were about sexual fulfillment he wouldn't need to use the violence at all. it's a different itch he's scratching.

Wow... The penis is a weapon eh?

Hate men much?

Why don't you tell your dad that he used his phallic weapon to assault your mother, and you are a product of violence.

What about the Vagina being a Trap?

If rape is not about sexual fulfillment, and only about power, why does not he just mug/beat up/kill the woman?

Why throw sex into the "Power" equation at all?

Your argument is as un-thought out as it is stupid.

And calling the Penis a weapon is a direct reflection of your HATRED for MEN.

And Hatred of men is Misandary.

If? Sorry but I'm not going to go back and forth arguing over a silly hypothetical scenario that could never actually happen in reality anyway.. and stealing condoms happens rarely yet you've been using this example to vilify women as a collective.

You are so wrong that I am amazed that you are able to type.

This scenario was used *FOR THE THOUSANDTH TIME* as a metaphor to refute an argument made by someone else that you cannot be bothered to even READ.

If you are not going to research the context of this remark, then the misunderstanding is YOUR FAULT.

I cant believe how many times you are going to willfully NOT LISTEN to me on this one, when the truth is stareing you straight in the face.

You do not understand the argument I am presenting, do not take bits and pieces of it and attempt comprehension.

It is clearly beyond your grasp.

-Edrick

Originally posted by Edrick
reply to post by riley

 

Violence is the motive.. the penis is the weapon. If it were about sexual fulfillment he wouldn't need to use the violence at all. it's a different itch he's scratching.

Wow... The penis is a weapon eh?

Hate men much?

Stop right there mate. I was CLEARLY talking about RAPISTS using the penis as a weapon and you dare turn around and accuse me of hating men? Nice attempt to try twist my words.

Why don't you tell your dad that he used his phallic weapon to assault your mother, and you are a product of violence.

wtf?

So you are saying my father raped my mother? I guess the upside is that you are now showing your true colours. I feel sick after reading such utter filth.. you should be ashamed of yourself.

What about the Vagina being a Trap?

If rape is not about sexual fulfillment, and only about power, why does not he just mug/beat up/kill the woman?

Why throw sex into the "Power" equation at all?

Your argument is as un-thought out as it is stupid.

And calling the Penis a weapon is a direct reflection of your HATRED for MEN.

And Hatred of men is Misandary.

oh I see you've deemed me "evil feminist" and now have to have to win this battle for the good of you and your kind..

(and kind as in guys who have the same mindset.. not kind as in men.)

for the record.. I do have a hatred of rapists. the fact that you immediately suggested I must think all men are rapists shows what kind of thought process you have.

[edit on 12-4-2009 by riley]

Riley:

Don't feel bad, I'm lumped in there as well, I'm just biding time until I can come up with the game winning argument..

There are some people in this world that will always, no matter what that will always fall back on the evil feminist argument whenever confronted with the fact that most of us really don't care what men do as long as they are doing something productive or that they enjoy and stay out of our hair when we are doing something productive or that we enjoy.

I said it once and i will say it again. There is no reason to suspect that there is some great conspiracy against men perpetrated by women just for the sake of making sure the world is complacent. I, for one have much better things to do with my time than to plan world domination. Although it does sound like a load of fun..

reply to post by riley

Stop right there mate. I was CLEARLY talking about RAPISTS using the penis as a weapon and you dare turn around and accuse me of hating men? Nice attempt to try twist my words.

How is a penis a weapon?

How could you POSSIBLY use a penis to harm someone?

Don't tell me that I can just run into a bank with my pants around my ankles and demand money.

That would be silly.

I cant threaten to cut someone with my penis.

It can't even draw blood...

Am I going to bludgeon someone to death with it?

Are you scared of penises?

If someone pointed a penis at you, would you give them your purse?

OR cower in fear of the destructive power of the penis?

So you are saying my father raped my mother?

Well, you DID say that he had a weapon at the time of your conception.


LOL!


-Edrick

reply to post by vkey08

I said it once and i will say it again. There is no reason to suspect that there is some great conspiracy against men perpetrated by women just for the sake of making sure the world is complacent.

I never said that it was perpetrated by women.

That is what you all are conveniently forgetting in my argument.

I keep saying, and REPEATING that society is being BRAINWASHED to act in a manner contrary to its natural state.

You keep turning that into "Women Conspire to Destroy Men"

Men and Women in general are the victims in this little game, and we are conditioned to hate each other.


If you had listened to me the first time I said this, or the Second, or the Third... we wouldn't be in this whole argument.

-Edrick

reply to post by Edrick


Rape is when the penis is used as a weapon.

You knew EXACTLY what I meant.

You talk about the immorality of women yet you decided to try use my words so you could insult my mother and father and say I was the product of rape? You sicken me.


..and then you say LOL and make it some big joke? what a man you are.

Originally posted by Edrick
reply to post by riley

 

Stop right there mate. I was CLEARLY talking about RAPISTS using the penis as a weapon and you dare turn around and accuse me of hating men? Nice attempt to try twist my words.

How is a penis a weapon?

How could you POSSIBLY use a penis to harm someone?

Don't tell me that I can just run into a bank with my pants around my ankles and demand money.

That would be silly.

I cant threaten to cut someone with my penis.

It can't even draw blood...

Am I going to bludgeon someone to death with it?

Are you scared of penises?

If someone pointed a penis at you, would you give them your purse?

OR cower in fear of the destructive power of the penis?

So you are saying my father raped my mother?

Well, you DID say that he had a weapon at the time of your conception.


LOL!


-Edrick

Emotional harm and trauma is sometimes worse than physical trauma so in that respect if it is used to commit a crime then yes a Penis is a weapon. Or do you not subscribe to the fact that mental trauma exists?

I resent that...but not you. No blame for iggnorance.

Interest and involvement in world affairs...whatever it may entitle...is a duty that this woman cannot never quit. I find women's conversation boring and shallow...its true and have had very few(two) females who actually had a grasp on their surroundings.

I just had an epiphany...

Maybe as I continue to blog and share and show that it is in every women's ability to make a difference and take action, or atleast pay attention and prepare that more will start to listen.
Maybe women have been lied to so much by man they refuse to participate in any more of their lies.

I also must add that it sadden's me to yet again, left with the feeling of seperation from my sisters, to go into the victory circle with none of my kind. Oh...I am being overdramatic again. There simpleton minds may just be there ticket to the easy life they so long for. And I must add, both men and women deserve the easy life. I just know this isn't going to be my easy life. It will come.