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Originally posted by SGTChas
Lastly, IF we restore PURE constitutional government, abolishment of the IRS and the tax code would follow. Income taxes are UNCONSTITUTIONAL, the very reason the 16th Amendment WAS NEVER OFFICIALLY RATIFIED and is why every time someone has demanded to be shown the LAW THAT REQUIRES A CITIZEN PAY TAXES IN COURT, THE COURT IS FORCED TO THROW OUT THE CHARGES. How can you be found guilty of not paying something that there is no law REQUIRING you to pay? The system is able to enslave the sheeple because the sheeple do not even know their rights, or what the law really is.
[edit on 4/5/2009 by SGTChas]
Originally posted by SGTChas
reply to post by snidr
Oh, so all the problems of the DDR were caused by the evil capitalist countries that surrounded them? You need a heavy dose of reality; it was the handouts and funding from the evil capitalist countries that KEPT socialist nations alive when their production quotas failed. The United States sent millions of metric tons of grain and other food stuffs so the socialist republic peoples did not starve due to their own 'collective' stupidity. WHICH we greedy capitalist were never paid back for. Get a grip!
Further, I have heard the 'we invented every important invention of western civilization' bull before, in the Cafe's of Paris. The French saved the World in both World Wars don't ya know? Just ask them.
[edit on 4/5/2009 by SGTChas]
Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
Well why should a rich person pay more taxes than a poor person. Rich people usually use less government services than a poor person, they contribute more to society (usually), etc...
Originally posted by justsomeboreddude
I think they should divide up the cost of government equally among all of us. I bet if we all had to pay an equal amount (our FAIR share) nobody would be all gung about making government bigger.
Originally posted by count66
Firstly communism doesn't remove the right to reward for working harder, it merely removes the right to unjust rewards - i.e. paying someone several million a year for which there is no justification.
Originally posted by count66
As for capitalism being the best system to encourage workers - well I have heard a lot of Americans on here decrying Socialism as a stepping stone to communism and how that would lead to people becoming lazy and just sponging off the state.
Originally posted by count66
I have also heard a lot of Americans claiming that their society is the freest and most prosperous - neither of these claims are not backed up when you investigate the facts.
Originally posted by count66
Secondly I would say that in Western Europe we have as much freedom if not more than many in the US - With the exception of the UK none of these countries allow the government to spy on their phone calls, emails and internet usage.
Originally posted by count66
Remember capitalism doesn't benefit business - it benefits shareholders and bankers a crucial mistake which is made by many. Business is ran, operated and generates wealth through the efforts of the workers and the owners. After a business has been in existence for a time, in order to expand that business, it must either take on Investors or debt to finance same. This now makes the business beholding not to the owners or workers but the faceless bankers or shareholders which do not have the business really at heart - rather all they care about are the bottom lines and they do not tend to care how those bottom lines are reached. As we have seen in the financial services world, the shareholders will often encourage reckless business practices to grow profits often to the detriment of the business. Also, this has happened before - 1930's - so its not an isolated example.
Originally posted by John Matrix
reply to post by charlyv
We are all slaves under capitalism and our style of democracy. There has to be a better way.
What's wrong with discussing the pros and cons of different systems? I think that's really what the OP is about....looking for something better.
I've been doing the same lately. That's when I started learning about a participatory economy based government. I'm not saying I'm done looking. I personally want to learn as much as I can about alternatives to Capitalism. Attempting to guilt people into shutting down the exchange of ideas is not going to do anyone any good.