Its time to defeat the powers that be - by adopting communisim!

Something that is worth mentioning, and Americans should realize is that every Socialist program implemented in the United States was done by Democrats.

Republicans have made mistakes too, and implemented other UnConstitutional laws, but this happened because slowly, and through the Democratic Party, Socialist/Communist programs were implemented in the Republic.

It was Democrat Woodrow Wilson who signed into law the Federal Reserve Act, which gave total control of the economy to bankers, and which indebted the nation and the people into slavery.

It was Democrat Franklin Delano Roosevelt who banned, and outlawed all American citizens from possessing of gold, trapping us further into a monetary system based on empty promises, which the bankers and TPTB knew sooner or later would go bankrupt, helping to destroy Capitalism, and the Republic.

It was Democrat Bill Clinton who signed the repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, takig away the only safeguard that would have prevented another Great Depression, and which allowed banks to lend money to people who could not pay back, to further destroy Capitalism, and the Republic.

Now, it is President Obama who is implementing the law in which the "Corporation/State" is in total control of all learn-based programs, volunteer programs, and mandatory programs, and which is making all children starting from primary school, all the way to college to have to serve for the good fo the Community, without pay, which is the same system which National Socialist Germany had, and Communist regimes has...

The Republic is being destroyed, and substituted by a for of Communism, in which the "Corporation/state" is in power in the name of the people, and TPTB want to implement this system globally, yet there are others PTB that have their own versions of the "Permanent Revolution" and want to implement their version....

At the end we are left with the choice of choosing Communism with the "Corporation/State" being in power, or Communism with the "State" being in power....

That, or we fight in all legal ways possible to keep the Republic as agreed by the forefathers of this nation...





[edit on 3-4-2009 by ElectricUniverse]

Originally posted by count66
reply to post by MattMulder

 

Communism removes the right of people to own far more then they ever need.

The private property you say you worked so hard and fought for has ended up in the control of 10% of the worlds population - so you are living in an illusion.

Secondly, when you talk about big brother, are you talking about a system which can spy on your phone calls, read your emails and texts, forces you to carry Biometric ID when you travel - thats not communism - thats capitalism.

WHO decides the rules in this wonderful communist state?

WHO decides what the rules are? In communism it won't be you, the individual that's for sure. It will be THEM, and ORGANISATION a foreign entity from yourself that will know your own needs, desires and wants better than they do!

You're either a shill for the PTB pushing a wrapped up turd that's socialism OR you're wearing some seriously rose-tinted glasses my friend which need removing before you ridicule yourself further.

"WHO decides the rules in this wonderful communist state?"

Nobody because it is stateless.

No government, president, congress etc etc

Get it?

Ok let me draw a ascii picture for you. Throughout history we have have been through several stages.

1. Primitive Communism: as seen in cooperative tribal societies.

2. Slave Society: which develops when the tribe becomes a city-state. Aristocracy is born.

3. Feudalism: aristocracy is the ruling class. Merchants develop into capitalists.

4. Capitalism: capitalists are the ruling class, who create and employ the true working class.

5. Socialism: workers gain class consciousness, overthrow the capitalists and take control over the state.

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Oh so now it is no state. Hmm. Well what happens when the nation to your south, north, east, or west decides to roll the tanks through you stateless nation?

There is a need for a state. Defending borders and a judicial system are both good examples of a state doing what it is supposed to do.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Sometimes pictures are worth a thousand words

Chinese Communist police beating Tibetans

Chinese Communist police beating Tibetans engaged in a non-violent protest and passive resistance. FACT SHEET: Tibetan Deaths Under China's Crackdown since March 2008 Friday, 20 March 2009

I've seen worse from the USA. Three big burly cops beat up a 67 year old 160 lb black man on the streets of New Orleans for nothing. I have seen news footage of worse scenes from Canada and the USA....cops beating up citizens.


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Communism is an international solution whereby there are no enemies.

Most wars are fought over resources - if those resources are shared evenly then no more wars - a nation state is a state of mind - we are all human beings who choose to divide ourselves by some obscure notion of nationality which in reality doesn't exist

Originally posted by WatchRider


WHO decides the rules in this wonderful communist state?

Governing councils can be democratically elected, as they are now. The major difference is economic, not political. In a legitimate communist society, the people own the means of production instead of corporations.

WHO decides what the rules are? In communism it won't be you, the individual that's for sure.

Why not? In capitalist societies, it is the wealthy elite that make the rules, in order to protect capital. In a legitimate communist society, the rules are made by the people according to their needs.

The major problem with communism is that the philosophy has been usurped by tyrants. Of course, anti-communists tend to ignore the tyrants who have promoted capitalism.

Originally posted by NettleTea
reply to post by kkklownknight6699

 

Oh so now it is no state. Hmm. Well what happens when the nation to your south, north, east, or west decides to roll the tanks through you stateless nation?

There is a need for a state. Defending borders and a judicial system are both good examples of a state doing what it is supposed to do.

Arms will be produced so that individuals who want to take up arms can do so.

Nobody will make you fight if you don't want and people will make decisions what the appropriate course of action will be however nothing is enforced.

Think of a Communist society like Linux or Firefox. Even though no profit is involved. As long as there is a need then somebody will produce it if demanded.

However as people have mentioned the whole idea is that this solution will be the solution of the world and people who see this society will want to emulate it just like how poor developing countries want to emulate American and Europe.

It is important to understand that it is not a Utopia but rather another stage of our evolution where we can further improve our condition and nothing will be forced.


[edit on 3-4-2009 by kkklownknight6699]

What we have in the Western World is not free-market Capitalism - it's a state-controlled, twisted, corrupt version. There are laws and regulations that are put into effect by those in power, and they're put into power with a lot of help from the wealthy. So yes, I agree with you that this system is a joke - but that does not mean that the solution is to abolish the free market. Abolish government (or most of it, anyway), and introduce a truly free market, and you will see your complaints disappear.

In any case, Communism isn't a practical system. I can guarantee you that people will not work for the simple pleasure of work, and that they will be dissatisfied with their lot, especially if their work is demanding. We're a selfish lot, humans, and that seems to be largely embedded in our genes. Not much you can do to fix that, I'm afraid.

Ok so lets for the sake of argumenet say we are all gung ho for this true communism you speak of. Who do you trust to be in charge of this one world government that ultimately controls all resources on the face of the earth?

[edit on 3-4-2009 by justsomeboreddude]

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I'm just like you, I'm 23 years old and I became involved with politics on September 11, 2001 and ever since then I've stayed up-to-date on the government. I too believe we need to adopte communism

Originally posted by Dark Jester
reply to post by count66

 

I'm just like you, I'm 23 years old and I became involved with politics on September 11, 2001 and ever since then I've stayed up-to-date on the government. I too believe we need to adopte communism

It's not something you "adopt".

It will happen simply because the current system allows it to happen. The feudalists believed that their societies were the most greatest and progressive however this thinking lead to the birth of the capitalist class who catapulted the feudal societies in modern nation states.

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So you mean to tell me that all of the worlds nations will fall to communism at the same time? If not then you have communist nations develop like Cuba, China, Cambodia, Nam, and so forth. You yourself state that to have “true communism” it needs to be an international event. A side note, during the Cold War the communists had a good portion of the Earth under their thumb. Why then did they not achieve their stated goal?

I find it incredibly naive to believe that all peoples will suddenly adopt a communist outlook (especially those nations who already had to deal with communism, or whatever you want to call it).

And what is so wrong with nation states. They provide a means for personal sovereignty, and also take into consideration the needs/wants of the local citizenry. To have an international effort you must have a centralized body to coordinate it. This body cannot take everyone's wishes into consideration. That is why nation states are relatively efficient.

And as you have seen from this board alone there are people who will not follow you. It stands to reason that whole nations will not follow you. If this is the case then you “revolution” has failed before it even started.

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No one cause there isn't any one world government - resources will be controlled by people at the ground level who produce the wealth.

reply to post by NettleTea


What I have learnt from this board is that many people confuse communism with autocratic socialism and that the powers that be have achieved their agenda of hiding the true message of communism to preserve their own interests.

Sad really

Communism is no different a pipe dream than capitalism is. The biggest problem with communism, is that you already give up what little you already have, and give it to some power hungry megalomaniac. Whether it's communism or capitalism, as long as there is corruption, people will find ways of exploiting it. Communism will put us in an even worse position. Just look at China and how they treat their workers, or Cuba.

che gueverra... tried to implement this in south america... he ended up getting killed with the help of the cia.. here is a wiki on him

Ernesto "Che" Guevara (June 14,[1] 1928 – October 9, 1967), commonly known as Che Guevara, El Che, or simply Che, was an Argentine Marxist revolutionary, politician, author, physician, military theorist, and guerrilla leader. After death, his stylized image became a ubiquitous countercultural symbol worldwide. As a young medical student, Guevara traveled throughout Latin America and was transformed by the endemic poverty he witnessed. His experiences and observations during these trips led him to conclude that the region's ingrained economic inequalities were an intrinsic result of monopoly capitalism, neocolonialism, and imperialism, with the only remedy being world revolution. This belief prompted his involvement in Guatemala's social reforms under President Jacobo Arbenz Guzmán, whose eventual CIA-assisted overthrow solidified Guevara's radical ideology. Later, in Mexico, he met Fidel Castro and joined his 26th of July Movement. In December 1956, he was among the revolutionaries who invaded Cuba under Castro's leadership with the intention of overthrowing U.S.-backed Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista. Guevara soon rose to prominence among the insurgents, was promoted to Comandante, and played a pivotal role in the successful two year guerrilla campaign that deposed Batista.[4] Following the Cuban revolution, Guevara reviewed the appeals of those convicted as war criminals during the revolutionary tribunals, ratifying sentences which in some cases (the number of death sentences is disputed) involved execution by firing squads.[5] Later he served as minister of industry and president of the national bank, before traversing the globe as a diplomat to meet an array of world leaders on behalf of Cuban socialism. He was a prolific writer and diarist, composing a seminal manual on the theory and practice of guerrilla warfare, along with an acclaimed memoir about his motorcycle journey across South America. Guevara left Cuba in 1965 to incite revolutions first in an unsuccessful attempt in Congo-Kinshasa and later in Bolivia, where he was captured with the help of the CIA and executed. Both notorious as a ruthless disciplinarian who unhesitatingly shot defectors and revered by supporters for his rigid dedication to professed doctrines, Guevara remains a controversial and significant historical figure. As a result of his perceived martyrdom, poetic invocations for class struggle, and desire to create the consciousness of a "new man" driven by "moral" rather than "material" incentives,[6] Guevara evolved into a quintessential icon of leftist-inspired movements. Paradoxically and in contradiction with his ideology, Che's visage was also reconstituted as a global marketing emblem and insignia within popular culture. He has been mostly venerated and occasionally reviled in a multitude of biographies, memoirs, books, essays, documentaries, songs, and films. Time magazine named him one of the 100 most influential people of the 20th century,[7] while an Alberto Korda photograph of him entitled Guerrillero Heroico (shown), was declared "the most famous photograph in the world."[8]

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I'm tired of saying that the difference between the autocratic socialist states and true communism is enormous.

Its akin to saying fascism and capitalism are the same thing

There has only been one true communist society and that was the first few years of the soviet union prior to stalinism taking hold.

reply to post by kkklownknight6699


You are assuming that nations, armies, and police will abandon their posts in order to make this communist revolution. For this conversation I will give you 90% of the world's forces disarmed. That leaves us with 10% still armed. Now this 10% has access to nuclear weapons. It is hard for you and your buddies to shoot down a missiles with a few rifles.

There can't be any armies as you have stipulated this condition. Who will pilot the jet fighters? Who will drive the tanks? If there are no armed forces in the traditional sense then you have no means of defense against those nations that will not follow you.

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That is capitalism - whereby you enslave yourself with debt which in turn goes to the power hungry 10% of the worlds population who own 85% of the worlds assets as is the case today.