What if its all a lie

Ive just recently gotten into this side of room. been thinking about stuff and how it could be rounded together. Then i got to thinking. What if this evil secret society was a lie. You hear about the secrets through a third or fourth party and the ones that are really in the know never talk about it. I think we have taken mis-information and ran all around the room with it, cause it creates interest in our lives and just think ,if it were all a lie.

Seriously we dont have anything on jesus that says he even existed we think we can date things back to millions of years but they're all guesses. The eairlest we can go back is to egypt and mexico but even then we really dont know.how can we be millions of years old we just started keeping records thousands of years ago. and also on that note we have taken off interms of improvements in our society in the last 200 years. just like that. I wonder why.

How can we have a religoin when the head guy was never there, same as moses. Moses was an egyptian priest. My point is this. If we would take the time to realize that this and everything else is whats keeping us from doing what we are supposed to be doind then we'll always be slaves.
The masons were said to have found out the truth and we ran with that but, what if the truth is that this is lie. I'm not talking about hording gold for aliens or living from another planet but if the ones who know know what we really are and by keeping us busy with uninportant stuff like tv and reglion and compluters and sex that it strays us away from what we really are.What are we. everything is closely related ( himans -animals-Primates) in our mating process and our alpha males and dominence. I dont really know where i wanted to go with this but i had to write to the ATS. My first thread and its been on my mind. I've seen some interesting opinions and though i could get some feed back for this one. I dont think there is really a conspiracy it terms of the aliens and other stuff but with ourselve. What did the egyptians do with out all this junk. they studued the stars and what do we do, we blog and drink and have relations and watch tv. Warren buffet said he never could predict that the people could reduce there lifestyle the way we have. REALLY you think we could cut back our spending toSurvive. That ignorance by a man who one of the richest people and smartest as well didnt see that our species would retract our way of living in order to survive. We as a species dont even value money, we are told to value money, were told about sex and were told about religion. Why? Its not inportnat to me, Its important to someone else. Why. Let me know how i did ATS. Its my first thread.

Let me start by saying, "Welcome to ATS. I hope you have a great time here."

The idea that it's all a lie is a pretty good one. There is a saying I've seen around the board that goes, "Keep them asking the wrong questions and the answers don't matter."

I'm not sure if its ALL a lie or not, but I know we're far, far from the truth.

Again, I hope you enjoy your stay on the best discussion forum on the net.

wupy

I read your "first" post . . . twice. Sounds like you have a million questions
going through your head. Just like a lot of us here.

Welcome aboard.

You're going to be surprised how many answers you'll get from this site.

And you'll be surprised at the caliber of individuals that help you get some
of those answers.

reply to post by mrwupy


I posted this on a thread concerning mind control, thought it would help your answer. With all my research I believe that they 'are' doing this. I mean really doesn't any body get it? The implications here are incredible, who can anyone trust? Think about it, religions, government, media, they are all on the same page. Yet we the victims, truthseekers and truthtellers, are not on the same page.
I feel that this issue would resolve everything that is going on around us today. EVERYTHING!

I also have some serious questions about this issue. For example, Since the mk ultra documents were released by the freedom of information act in the 70's. With subsequent congressional hearings to no avail thus access was denied. (Which tells me they have something to hide.) Who's to say that our very own government officials are not mind controlled. Who can trust any of them? Didn't this raise some serious questions with our government officials of the time? Obviously NOT! I FOR ONE DO NOT TRUST THEM. This CBC broadcast movie was an account of the Canadian victims of mind control perpetrated by our deceitful government.
'The Sleep Room'
The US purchased the rights to this film, yet it was never aired in the US. Although there is an edited version for sale/rent.
Also, we know for a fact that the government compartmentalize 'everything' so not one person will know everything. I recently found Barbara Hartwell's Blog and from what I understand she and ex cia Ted Gunderson were friends until she uncovered some facts regarding him. Now they are not collaberating, because each claim the other is still working for the agency. Thus the enemy wins through division of the opposition. Maybe one of them is right about the other working COINTELPRO or maybe both are right and only have access to certain facts. My problem with this is; we are ALL looking for truth, when we fight among ourselves we are not working for the same goal TRUTH.

Do Not Trust the GOVERNMENT !!! They have not earned it. Just keep searching for TRUTH, it may set you free. Maybe we should start a movement, no NWO without the accountability, demand that the NSA files be opened and all factions of our society held accountable. They won't need them if they want NWO anyway. Still countries would need to have their sovereignty safe. I really don't think all of the countries want a NWO without the accountability. I don't know I am just blowing off steam at this point.

Everything is what i am talking about. This find the truth missions we are all on. I think that we already know. thats why we have tv and money and religion and sex and movies and toys. To keep us from know ing what we really are. In terms of a creater i believe that there is something of such power to make all this but, what we think it is, isnt even close. take for instance the little batteries we have for watches. We had that technology 50 years before we even used it in the markets. We are only told we we want to hear from the people creating this reality for us. What im saying is that we as a race are about something more important than tv shows and procreating. I really think that this hole hidden society was created to give us something to believe in or not believe in. When we are told to do something and we have no choice we fight it, but if we are give a choice we feel like we are free. What if your choices were the same in the end.Lets get deeper, the secret groups that are of the elite(nwo) created this in hopes of pushing us to rebel against themselves as to make it look like your choosing. you see we are chasing our tales, its going to be what ever way its going to be because we choose that. we should not choose at all. turn off your tv dont buy the things that take away from you finding out who we are. Am i hitting anything on the head or am i just CRAZY

Alex Jones does a good job at exposing the elitest religion... You have to watch some of his movies.

But I've never really believed in the illuminati. But I do believe there are too many secret meetings in our government and there are too many secret organizations around the worlds and they are unconstitutional and should be abolished.

I think we are missing the point. This is created to kep us busy. what happens if this all comes true NWo and aliens and there gold then what. We live as slaves for someone or somehting for ever while inbetween we fight for our rights. Think a little deeper. This is created, all this mumbo jumbo to keep us busy. Why though? Thats what iam asking. Think af all the junk thats been posted and all the books and movies. We really dont know, the poeple who know would never let it be known. So wrapped your mind around this. All the societies are created to give us a choice. they really do exist but not for the reasons we think. Its to keep us thinking about everything us except us. We as a race are not like anything on this planet. we are the only species that uses money and the only species that watches tv and internet. Why?Why do care about things that are not survival essental. that should but you deeper in the rabbit hole to where i am pondering.

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I think we are missing the point. This is created to kep us busy. what happens if this all comes true NWo and aliens and there gold then what. We live as slaves for someone or somehting for ever while inbetween we fight for our rights. Think a little deeper. This is created, all this mumbo jumbo to keep us busy. Why though? Thats what iam asking. Think af all the junk thats been posted and all the books and movies. We really dont know, the poeple who know would never let it be known. So wrapped your mind around this. All the societies are created to give us a choice. they really do exist but not for the reasons we think. Its to keep us thinking about everything us except us. We as a race are not like anything on this planet. we are the only species that uses money and the only species that watches tv and internet. Why?Why do care about things that are not survival essental. that should but you deeper in the rabbit hole to where i am pondering.

reply to post by swansend


I think we are missing the point. This is created to kep us busy. what happens if this all comes true NWo and aliens and there gold then what. We live as slaves for someone or somehting for ever while inbetween we fight for our rights. Think a little deeper. This is created, all this mumbo jumbo to keep us busy. Why though? Thats what iam asking. Think af all the junk thats been posted and all the books and movies. We really dont know, the poeple who know would never let it be known. So wrapped your mind around this. All the societies are created to give us a choice. they really do exist but not for the reasons we think. Its to keep us thinking about everything us except us. We as a race are not like anything on this planet. we are the only species that uses money and the only species that watches tv and internet. Why?Why do care about things that are not survival essental. that should but you deeper in the rabbit hole to where i am pondering.

i would like to refer to "Working Class Hero" Lyrics By "John Lennon"

As soon as your born they make you feel small,
By giving you no time instead of it all,
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
They hurt you at home and they hit you at school,
They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool,
Till you're so #ing crazy you can't follow their rules,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years,
Then they expect you to pick a career,
When you can't really function you're so full of fear,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV,
And you think you're so clever and classless and free,
But you're still #ing peasents as far as I can see,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
There's room at the top they are telling you still,
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
If you want to be like the folks on the hill,
A working class hero is something to be.
A working class hero is something to be.
If you want to be a hero well just follow me,
If you want to be a hero well just follow me.

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in talking about mind control and brainwashing, we have all been succumbed to it, without even realizing it, they control us through fear, and hate, and peace and love, the world is a cult, they make it so we have to question everything, they make it hard to fully believe in "one" thing because of the subterfuge and disinfo they feed us, and thats exactly how they want it, thats how they are slowly and as of late not so slowly taking over the world, its the NWO thats the Old World Order, thats been the Rothschild plan, and the plan before them by who knows,

obviously we have to rise up, it can take just one person to change the world, i'm above politics, i'm above religion, i don't belive in any of that, my mind is not clouded, i have risen up, just as a lot of people have,

i have more, but i've typed enough for now

I know 100% that mind control is absolute fact, so there is one conspiracy that is true.

On others i do not know, but i am glad i know about some of this stuff. I know from my own life how people can just make up lies. Lies spread so easily about people, and i understand how easy it is to fool people, but like i said mind control is absolute fact.

i'd like to add on to my above post,

research for yourself, research the story of the rothchilds, research about the economy, and the past economic situations, realize that life is not a coincidence, its been planed out, they have been playing us, making there move and our move for us, keeping us mindless enough to not question, to not research for ourselves,

when any one person gets the power of the people behind them, they kill them off, look at the past assassinations.. but now i think there letting more into the open, because they want a violent revolt, they want reason, to impose martial law, to take us down...

i could go on forever, but i'll stop here...

just make sure you research your own facts, and believe your own truth.. you will find the answer..




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Nothing is really hidden from you, it's just about what you notice and "see".

All of society is geared to making people tools based on action and reaction. By people being ignorant "they" can introduce actions that will cause the desired reactions. Or use existing actions to be perceived in a certain way for the desired reaction.

For example. Does it actually matter if Jesus is real or not? Really? Is that the important part of it? I see people debate this all the time, but for what reason? Either way it's just a story to you and me. Either way we can only take the word of someone else if it is real or not, and then it's just a matter of what you want to believe. You prove he is real or fake, and it wouldn't change my opinion one bit. You can prove the aliens and gold thing as well, and it wouldn't change my opinion one bit. Why? Because none of that stuff actually matters, and to focus on such things is to promote foolishness.

Does right or wrong change based on either of those things? No. Does the truth of things change based on those things? Again, no not really. Does it matter if the person you serve is a human or alien? No, either way you are still serving that person for the same exact reasons.

Take a movie like the matrix. Does it matter if it's real or not? No, it still speaks truth. And to sit around and debate if it is literally real or not is rather silly and foolish. And those who would sit around and argue if it is literally real or not are equally as foolish because they missed the entire point and all the truth it speaks about society.

It's not about what you know, it's about what you understand. If Jesus is real or not would just be knowledge. I don't care if he is real or not. Either way I do know that he speaks the truth and gives understanding and wisdom well beyond anything those who want to talk about what is "real" will ever understand.

Truth is not literal, the "lie" is trying to put only a single literal meaning onto it. To try and say 1+1=2, rather than A+B=C. If you realize A+B=C, then you realize not only 1+1=2, but 2+3=5 and more. To try and make it a literal truth in 1+1=2, you are ignorant to the real truth and that is a lie. Anyone can know 1+1=2, but A+B=C is to understand and know how to add.

Asking for a literal truth and searching for one, and in the process all you will ever do is accept outside authorities on what is true and you will not be able to add for yourself.





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What do you mean ... "IF" have you found something real yet.... ?

I enjoy seeing like minds ponder the mysteries to our existence.
I have been reading a book recently that is very mind opening in regards to civilization and the book has kept my mind fluttering with what, how, why and thoughts of such nature. I would highly advise reading this book for further enlightenment as it takes a approach I haven't recognized before. The book is titled "Ishmael" by Daniel Quinn. Here is the link to it on amazon:

Ishmael

I too think think that we are spoon fed a mass amount of information and with all the opinions behind what we consider research we come to realize after time that most of this research or those considered credible in regards to figuring out the big questions have their own opinion which in turn makes us wonder what the hell is real or important.

I personally hold the opinion that religion is one of the means that keep our opinions bashing each other, creating wars and separating us as people.
I personally think religion is a disease that has affected mankind in a uncanny way. Mankind thinks he has some greater purpose and with that in mind many people individually search for that purpose and meaning. Religion for many allows them to live in a delusional state of denial to fulfill that purpose IMO. Others find their meaning in other things from work to friends to war and drama. Everyone is looking for reason and meaning. But some live a lie to achieve it. (just my opinion, not looking for a war)

Many things exist and with every argument to prove something there is usually equal evidence to disprove it. To put it simply after years of reading on various topics, years of personal research and years of wondering I have come to the ultimate conclusion that the past and its implications with religion are unimportant. There is so much information out there it is easy to remain confused until the day we die.

So I have found that the only thing that can 100% be followed and known to be true are basic principles such as caring, allowing freedom of speech to agree to disagree, avoiding war at most if not all costs, understanding each mans journey is his own and having the amount of respect towards others that will keep us from what we have become as a whole which is something to loathe.

There are ups and downs to everything but with basic principles we can create within ourselves a being capable of what we desire even with the mass of information and NWO's information warfare afloat.

I also wonder if the conspiracies and the like are used just to keep us confused from what matters most. But what matters most is something that can be found with research. And after research I think you will come to realize that the only thing we can change is ourself and hope for the example to be taken and used within others.

I think we all have something important to learn but man is also diluted with the idea he has some divine destiny which in turn leads us to think we are somehow better than others. There is a lot to it all and you can research forever not finding what you are looking for as what you are looking for lies in basic principles and within the self IMHO.

I could go forever with rambling nonsense but GOOD POST! Welcome and check out that book as I think it might assist you in further understanding.

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