The Secret Society Of Gays

Originally posted by tothetenthpower

So; Why would the "classic stereotypes" of genders NOT exist, and why are they looked upon by certain people as being something so horrible? Do these people feel threatened? Surely they must do so, as they wants to lock these "stereotypes" inside the closet and throw away the key.

I don't know how you cannot understand that stereotypes are very wrong and un-needed in today's society. It simply allows peole to lump in individuals into a broader group and generalize their behaviours in an attempt to figure out what they will do, think, say in any given situation.

I disagree. My point I am trying to make, is that those "Stereotypes" is expressions and variations of genders too, and should TOO be allowed to have a place in Society, together with all the other mentioned "Variations".

It is true that some of the behaviours involved in those types are "learned" so to speak, but there also ARE people that in their nature actually and truly are what could be considered "stereotypes".

What I am saying is, should a Woman that LIKE to cook food, bake cookies and stay at home, be persecuted because she truly don't want to work with cars and work in the woods? And should a Man that LIKE working in the woods and working with his cars, be persecuted because he truly do not want to stay at home and bake cookies? Only because their behaviours is considered "stereotyped"?


No. There has to be room for all types. All types must work for accepting eachother and get along as one.

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I agree, but it is the generalization of these groups of people that allow for the prejudice and hate to take place.

No, I feel that if a woman wants to stay at home and be a homemaker then yes she should very much do that. And if lumberjack bill wants to do his think in the forest and come home to a warm cooked meal and have that kind of environment that is perfectly alright.

But that man is not a "real" man cause he does that, she's not a "real" woman can she stays at home. They are real people because they are true to themselves. It is when people who live in these environments decide that all other environments are not sutable and should be removed is when I have a problem.

These people aren't stereotypes, but they create them in order to have an ideal to follow, a set rule of behaviours and ideals. Just like organized religion accomplishes through their scriptures and rhetoric, stereotypical groups do so in behaviour and environments.

~Keeper

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I believe we agree with each other after all. I cannot object to anything you said in your later reply.

reply to post by resistor


Actually, what I was getting at is the idea that in THIS reality men and women have switched bodies.

For example, was Judas Escariot the closest thing Jesus came to knowing his true soul-mate? and then when he realized this horrifying truth he decided his time on Earth would be better spent on the Cross.

I say this not to be flip, but as a possible scenario based on the FACT that the King is betrayed by his WIFE...as the general rule and pattern revealed in those books.

Judas betrayed Jesus...Judas was a man...Jesus' wife was a man; a woman trapped in a man's body.

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The evidence of that is circumstancial at best for reasons that we all know. I think that we are not switching bodies but working more closely together and understanding each other far better than other times in history.

~Keeper

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Well that's a very positive response...very supportive, but I do think it is possible to be involved in a homosexual or incestuous relationship emotionally, mentally and other more subtle classifications, while physically the relationship appears to be heterosexual.

I don't know who posted the comment...but knowing what humans are is important in resolving issues. Humans are more than just biological and chemical processes that can be totally understood after a few credit hours of physiology.

For example, I suspect my first marriage, although heterosexual in appearance, may have been both lesbian and incestuous on a spiritual level. I wasn't aware of it at first of course, but I was drunk a lot back then. My point is that it didn't work out for a reason and the reason wasn't chemistry or biology.

Originally posted by huckfinn
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

Well that's a very positive response...very supportive, but I do think it is possible to be involved in a homosexual or incestuous relationship emotionally, mentally and other more subtle classifications, while physically the relationship appears to be heterosexual.

Oh yes, that is indeed true. And so are also the opposite; A relationship that externally and physically may seem to be homosexual in the view of others, can emotionally be heterosexual, for those involved.

Originally posted by Nightchild

Originally posted by huckfinn
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

Well that's a very positive response...very supportive, but I do think it is possible to be involved in a homosexual or incestuous relationship emotionally, mentally and other more subtle classifications, while physically the relationship appears to be heterosexual.

Oh yes, that is indeed true. And so are also the opposite; A relationship that externally and physically may seem to be homosexual in the view of others, can emotionally be heterosexual, for those involved.

I'm confused.

Someone want to clarify this a little further?

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Thanks for the contribution to nightchild, I agree.

For Annee, what is being said is that what your eyes see may appear to be one thing, but what is based on different classifications may be something else.

Humans in reality are more complex than a physical description. We are emotional, mental, spiritual (energy), etc. and while the physical description may say homo/hetero, these other classifications may be inconsistent with the physical.

In basic genetics, they say that a man is an XY and woman and XX. In marraige we assume that the union is one of an interaction between the man (Y) and the woman (X), but what if its really a union, emotionally for example, between the man (X) and the woman (X).

The above example was off the cuff, but I am sure that a more precise example could be developed by anyone who has the time.

Many people talk of the concept of soulmate...I assume this means spiritual mate, or a union based on some sort of energy binding...but the problem that arises then is this light or dark energy uniting...ie a union crafted in the pit of darkness?

Does Al Qaeda Use Gay Rape to Recruit Suicide Bombers?
by Steve Weinstein
EDGE Editor-In-Chief
Thursday Feb 5, 2009

The Sun, a United Kingdom tabloid, asserts that al-Qaeda chiefs rape young men to get them to become suicide bombers. "Evil al-Qaeda chiefs are raping young male converts to shame them into becoming suicide bombers, it emerged yesterday," the paper reported on Thursday. "The intense social stigma and fear of more gay sex attacks leaves Muslims prepared to die."

The paper claimed it got its information from a former Algerian militant named Abu Baçir El Assimi. "The sexual act on young recruits aged between 16 to 19 was a means to urge them to commit suicide operations," El Assimi told the Sun.

The paper also cited as evidence a 22-year-old who had "suffered sexual injuries before being shot dead on a suicide mission in Tademaït, Algeria, three weeks ago." The U.S. military allegedly discovered two years ago that al-Qaeda were raping women to dishonor them so that they would become suicide bombers as well, the paper continued.

The paper cited "experts" who said the boy-rapes were a sign of desperation to recruit new bombers in the face of a waning cause. "Perhaps they are running short of potential martyrs," one of the experts told the paper.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Nightchild

Originally posted by huckfinn
reply to post by tothetenthpower

 

Well that's a very positive response...very supportive, but I do think it is possible to be involved in a homosexual or incestuous relationship emotionally, mentally and other more subtle classifications, while physically the relationship appears to be heterosexual.

Oh yes, that is indeed true. And so are also the opposite; A relationship that externally and physically may seem to be homosexual in the view of others, can emotionally be heterosexual, for those involved.

I'm confused.

Someone want to clarify this a little further?

My guess is that poster is saying that within homosexual relationships, one partner provides "masculine" energy, whereas the other partner provides "feminine" energy. This, actually, further proves that marriages that thrive are composed of individuals of the opposite "sex."

Transgender and sexual-identity issues stem from a person of one gender being convinced that he or she exhibits personality that is typical of another gender.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen

My guess is that poster is saying that within homosexual relationships, one partner provides "masculine" energy, whereas the other partner provides "feminine" energy. This, actually, further proves that marriages that thrive are composed of individuals of the opposite "sex."

Transgender and sexual-identity issues stem from a person of one gender being convinced that he or she exhibits personality that is typical of another gender.

You ever ask a gay couple - "which one of you is the woman"?

They don't take too kindly to that - if the question is serious.

I agree there are variances in energies. I didn't however know energy had gender.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen

My guess is that poster is saying that within homosexual relationships, one partner provides "masculine" energy, whereas the other partner provides "feminine" energy. This, actually, further proves that marriages that thrive are composed of individuals of the opposite "sex."

Transgender and sexual-identity issues stem from a person of one gender being convinced that he or she exhibits personality that is typical of another gender.

You ever ask a gay couple - "which one of you is the woman"?

They don't take too kindly to that - if the question is serious.

I agree there are variances in energies. I didn't however know energy had gender.

Maybe they don't want to think of personality flaws as a component of sexuality.

Well, bi-sexual people often say that men and women are very different in bed.

Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Do you think it's possible that gays have a "shadow" movement of select few that have infiltrated our governments in an attempt to make to force their lifestyles down our throats?

I would say that any group that's been traditionally demonized, hated, oppressed and opposed is going to want to stop that from happening. I would say that they're going to want to get in positions that will allow them to achieve change. I would say they'll have activists, lobbyists, and yes, government employees doing their part.

But I think you're overboard on this "force their lifestyles down our throats" stuff.

Trying to gain acceptance and be treated the same as everyone else doesn't constitute "forcing" anything.

And not everyone thats for Gay Rights is gay. Look at Barack Obama. Hes about as hetero as anyone can get. Yet he has already affirmed that he will be getting rid of the "dont ask, dont tell" in our military.

As for this "Shadow" Society of Gays. No its perfectly out in the open. We have our rallies and our parades. Even though bigots dont care what we think we have a valid vote as well. We have a say in things and it's not happening right now. Soon though.

Originally posted by SemperParatusRJCC
And not everyone thats for Gay Rights is gay. Look at Barack Obama. Hes about as hetero as anyone can get. Yet he has already affirmed that he will be getting rid of the "dont ask, dont tell" in our military.

As for this "Shadow" Society of Gays. No its perfectly out in the open. We have our rallies and our parades. Even though bigots dont care what we think we have a valid vote as well. We have a say in things and it's not happening right now. Soon though.

Barack Obama is certainly gay, if not bi-sexual. I've heard stories.

The secret is that lots of "progressive" groups are populated by gays. Lots of politicians are also gay, but for some reason do very little in terms of pro-gay legislation. My guess is that it all comes down to the money.

Openly gay people earn less, are more overweight, are more prone to alcohol and drug abuse, are more likely to engage in unsafe sex, suffer more from lifestyle diseases, suffer more from mental disorders like chronic depression, and in general are more likely to be oppositional or defiant.

The rates of "bi-curiousity" among young women is skyrocketing compared to all other groups. Is this because young women are more gay than young men, or something else, like the mainstream media and socialist rhetoric?

Let's not forget that "hate crimes" are, in fact, thought crimes.

And why in the world is birth control labelled "reproductive health" ???

What's ironic, is that gay people don't support straight people's right to be straight

Nothing should be off limits, including little boys?


how and in what way are gay people not suppporting straight peoples right to be straight??

and i do believe that the majority of the little boy thing is commited by straight men

Originally posted by scorand
how and in what way are gay people not suppporting straight peoples right to be straight??

and i do believe that the majority of the little boy thing is commited by straight men

By making straight people watch homosexual PDA, and "flaming" homosexual expression on TV. When I watch news reports about gay marriage I'm always deeply disturbed by either the imbalanced or phoney enthusiasm between the partners. Something must be done about that before legalizing gay marriage.

If it's male-on-male, then by definition it is homosexual

Can i ask people here.

Is there any homosexuals here, that have straight partners, just ecause of society?

I know i have been forced to go near females, since i left school, and thats 1 years ago, and does not matter how many times you say you do not fancy females, people always try to force you down that route.

So is there any here, that are gay, but pretend to be straight for just fitting into society, because there is no way i want to be unhappy pretending something i am not.

Anyone here?

Originally posted by andy1033
Can i ask people here.

Is there any homosexuals here, that have straight partners, just ecause of society?

I know i have been forced to go near females, since i left school, and thats 1 years ago, and does not matter how many times you say you do not fancy females, people always try to force you down that route.

So is there any here, that are gay, but pretend to be straight for just fitting into society, because there is no way i want to be unhappy pretending something i am not.

Anyone here?

I've had that problem numerous times, and at times it does piss me off. I dont mind Straight people doing what they do, but when they try to influence me or my decisions, I tell them to back the # off.

Sometimes you got to be a little rough with them. It does make me feel unappreciated because me being in the military, I do whatever I can to do my job better than everyone else. Yet every one on the boat gets pissed off because I might be gay. I can't come out and tell them, because of that damned Dont ask don't tell. Goddess forbid If I tell someone but they'll ask in a heartbeat.

And since when has being straight been natural. Heres a point that I have made to pointless straight people. If Heterosexuality was meant to be, how come homosexuality is apparent in nature as well. I mean go to a dog park, or sit in the woods and watch the nature around you. You might see two birds, but guess what guys they're probably gay.