Vaccine

[edit on 18-3-2009 by Holly123]

reply to post by Holly123


Should vaccinations be mandatory? Absolutely not!

Should it be the parents decision? Yes! Of course!

If I had to do it all over again, I would not have had my kids vaccinated.

reply to post by Holly123


Raised 16 kids without shots, sure we had chicken poxs and some measles, but..........we should be allowed to chose, that's the purpose of life, don't sell your rights to the govt., you know best what you want for your kids. FREEDOM is the joy of life

[edit on 18-3-2009 by Holly123]

I think this relates directly to things like Jehovah Witnesses preventing a doctor from giving their child a blood transfusion to save their life.

At what point do we let parents be the sole point of life for someone because they raised them?

This goes as far as a child not being able to learn about multiple religions in school because we want our children to be only exposed to the religious beliefs that we provide for them in the home.

This goes as far as not being able to teach children about contraceptives or PROPER sex education from adults because it goes against our religious beliefs or we think it will encourage teenagers to have sex.

reply to post by Holly123


It should be entirely up to the parents. The government's role should be to provide information so that folks can make an informed decision, but that is it. My kids are vaccinated, but I have many friends who's kids are not and I think that is a very reasonable choice, particularily with the global manufacture of drugs today.

Originally posted by TurkeyBurgers
I think this relates directly to things like Jehovah Witnesses preventing a doctor from giving their child a blood transfusion to save their life.

At what point do we let parents be the sole point of life for someone because they raised them?

This goes as far as a child not being able to learn about multiple religions in school because we want our children to be only exposed to the religious beliefs that we provide for them in the home.

This goes as far as not being able to teach children about contraceptives or PROPER sex education from adults because it goes against our religious beliefs or we think it will encourage teenagers to have sex.

Do you really believe it's the same?

Teaching religion and injecting potentially dangerous chemicals into our bodies is the same? Really?

If you believe the government should be able to mandate medical treatment, who receives it and when, I'm afraid for your future and that of your children.

reply to post by Layla


I do. I think it has to do with making choices for someone because they are not old enough to understand the decision we are making for them.

You argue that a parent having the right to NOT vaccinate a child should be within that parents legal rights due to possible dangers associated with vaccines. I agree there IS a risk involved.

There is also a risk involved with a parent letting a doctor give their child a blood transfusion when it goes against that parents religious beliefs. They believe that child will go to hell for all eternity if they receive the transfusion. There is a risk involved with ANY medical procedure. The needle could cause an air bubble to go straight to the heart and cause cardiac arrest. The blood could be tainted with a AIDS. The blood type could be the wrong kind.

If people never took a risk with vaccines then we would still be battling polio, measles, whooping cough, typhoid,smallpox and many others.

Give medical science a little bit of credit for this one. Then again maybe the NWO is injecting every child at birth with RFI chips or alien DNA.

I think that most people should be vaccinated, but I don't think it should be mandatory. It's not healthy for everyone and it's against some religious beliefs.

How do you feel about a parent that refuses a medical procedure on their child that would save that child's life because it conflicts with that child's religious beliefs?

From what I understand, vaccinations are worse than useless.

All shots and vaccines are shot directly into the bloodstream, passing the stomach or any filter. Each shot has a preservative, either mercury(Thimerisol) or formaldahyde or aluminum. None of these can be good for us, and especially not good for tiny babies who get even more shots and vaccines than anybody. Statistics are 1 in 100 or more are autistic now compared to 30 years ago when it was more like 1 in 10,000. The vaccines area definitely killing and ruining lives at a far greater rate than any sicknesses they may be preventing.

I'd rather get polio than be autistic and polio is about the most serious disease that the vaccines are aimed at.

Same with pets. One rabies shot gives a lifetime immunity, yet states mandate an annual rabies shot for pets. This is just putting money in the pockets of the vets and making the animals sick (which puts more money in the pockets of the vets).

I am opposed to allopathic medicine in general, except for traumatic injury and emergency treatment. For prevention of illness or for treating a chronic condition, they are less than useless. (I'm being very polite here)

Check out Dr. Rebecca Carley's website. She has great information on vaccines. Deny Ignorance.


www.drcarley.com...

reply to post by Salt of the Earth


Your Autism statistics are relatively accurate but laying the cause of autism on vaccinations is about as accurate as laying the cause of cancer on vaccinations.

I think this is a very difficult issue. I do think that in the vast percentage of cases the parents have the right to deny medical treatment for religious reasons. I would never do it, but I'm not a Christian Scientist. From the religious perspective, they believe that the soul is damaged when you attempt to protect the physical body with certain types of medical treatment. While I don't think thats a reasonable view, these are not backyard religions and they have their religious freedom.

Again, this is a very difficult issue. Perhaps it is different when the medical treatment in question is 100% certain to solve the problem, vs. a treatment that might fix the problem. There is also the situation of a grave public health issue such as avian flu and in cases like that, where there is absolute public health issue, I think the state has more clout

Vaccines are different and the argument about Whooping, et. al is not a strong one considering the far greater probability of getting cured of these things due to many of the treatments available that were not years ago. There is also a real possibility that these vaccines cause real harm in some cases.

At the end, any government involvement in the raising of children should cause everyone grave concern. One of the chief strategies used by just about every despotic leader has been to control elements of children's lives. The left already has this well under way through the school programs and what is not covered and all of the political correctness that is jammed down the mouths of kids. I have several kids in grammar school and you would not believe the things they come home with directly from their teachers. I've had to speak with them about it several times and am probably going to switch schools, although I don't think I'll find it any different

Originally posted by TurkeyBurgers
reply to post by Salt of the Earth

 

Your Autism statistics are relatively accurate but laying the cause of autism on vaccinations is about as accurate as laying the cause of cancer on vaccinations.

No. The autism begins right after the third round, dramatically so.

Cancer takes awhile. But there are cancer viruses also in these shots and vaccines, deliberately.

The eugenics plan to soft-kill millions of us includes Big Pharma, as we see recently with Baxter shipping out live avian bird flu to be mixed with regular flu shots, sent to 18 countries.

These things are not done in ignorance, but by design. I'm not saying that's the only way to get cancer, but many of these cancers are time bombs, injected into people and meant to trigger in the future, like when people get to be retirement age ready to collect Social Security, or in the case of the mlitary within a few years of returning home from duty. The last thing the Zionist Elite want are trained fighting resisters to their diabolical plans to steal our property and put us in concentration camps and kill most of us, reeducate and assign to population centers the rest.

Originally posted by TurkeyBurgers
reply to post by Salt of the Earth

 

Your Autism statistics are relatively accurate but laying the cause of autism on vaccinations is about as accurate as laying the cause of cancer on vaccinations.

OK..here's a stat on autism, it doesn't exist amount NON-vaccine recepients.......what does that tell you?

I have got autism in the family and there have also been kids that have had varied vaccine reactions in my family. One of note lost most of his language development (the same day) yet thankfully he was able to regain it several months later with the help of a speech therapist. Others have no been so lucky.

If I decide on delaying vaccinations for my own kids it will be because I have very real concerns that are based in fact.. not in religious dogma. I do not need statistics to know that my children may have added risk of brain injury when getting vaccinated. Some people are allergic to certain food.. they may not know exactly why that is but if I had a kid with a food allergy I wouldn't feed them that food just because a doctor assured me they would probably be okay. That would be abuse.

Do they do allergy tests to see if kids are allergic to any of the ingredients? Of course not.. they just inject them straight into the bloodstream and cross their fingers.

[edit on 20-3-2009 by riley]