US warships head for South China Sea after standoff

US warships head for South China Sea after standoff

www.timesonline.co.uk

A potential conflict was brewing last night in the South China Sea after President Obama dispatched heavily armed American destroyers to the scene of a naval standoff between the US and China at the weekend.

Mr Obama’s decision to send an armed escort for US surveillance ships in the area follows the aggressive and co-ordinated manoeuvres of five Chinese boats on Sunday. They harassed and nearly collided with an unarmed American vessel.

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Relations between the U.S and China seem to be collapsing rather quickly.

This could all be nothing more than both countries flexing its "muscles".

But if it becomes anything more than that,dark times are ahead.And this isnt something the U.S needs to getting into with China,or anyone else for that matter.

Im beginning to think that the U.S knows it can never pay China back,and perhaps they look at the possibility of a war with China as a cheaper route to go.


www.timesonline.co.uk
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If this escalates, i wonder what it will do, with china buying up our bad debt? Maybe they will reverse n stop?

Umm..

Yes, America CAN pay back China...
I'm Canadian and even I know this.

RP explained it all out, in detail.
The US can even PAY BACK THE FEDS TOO!!

Anyways...
This is VERY worrisome.

Why?

Well, if Japan takes out the North Korean Missile..
There will be a lot of commotion. A LOT, in that region.

Not good..

[edit on 13-3-2009 by xbranscombex]

The USS Chung-Hoon is on the way to escort the USNS Impeccable. The Chung-Hoon is a Flight IIA Arleigh Burke class destroyer. It carries mostly the SM-2 Standard missile, but can also carry Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles, ASROC antisubmarine rockets, and two triple torpedo launchers. It has a 5 inch gun, and positions for heavy machine guns, as well as 2 Bushmaster 25mm guns for self defense (along with two Phalanx systems), but its primary mission is as an Aegis destroyer, which is to shoot down aircraft and missiles. The Flight IIA increased the SM-2 magazine to 96 missiles, and has a hangar deck capable of supporting two SH-60 Seahawk helicopters at the cost of the Harpoon missile launchers.

Many of the Chinese fishing trawlers are capable of carrying heavy crew served weapons, and depth charges for the Chinese Navy. China and North Korea both use fishing trawlers to supplement their naval forces for coastal patrols.

Compared to the fishing trawlers the Chung-Hoon is seriously heavily armed, but if things spiraled out of control and she found herself in a confrontation with regular navy forces, she could be in a world of hurt quickly. Both because the Chinese ships are based on Soviet designs, which relied more on surface to surface missiles, and because she would have to split her defenses to protect Impeccable.

If The US Government stops giving out our money to other foreign countries, we might not be in the mess were in today.
The last thing we need to do is get into any other conflicts right now.
America needs to do what it did before the start of WW2 and leave foreign countrys alone and consolidate into ourselves.
nuf said.

Wow. Talk about taking care of your debts like France did to the Knights of Templar. If you cant pay them back kill them. I hope this doesnt explode into something unnecessary....

Originally posted by Zaphod58
but if things spiraled out of control and she found herself in a confrontation with regular navy forces, she could be in a world of hurt quickly.

I would agree the Arleigh Burkes are perhaps one the finest surface ships to ever put to see, armed to the teeth and able to put up a huge defence but.......

If the PLAN gets frisky and a shooting war erupts, The Chung-Hoon will have a short but frantic life. There is no way she could withstand PLAN surface units plus PLAAF aerial assets by herself. Not to mention sub threats.

The Chung-Hoon is there to make a point. I would not be surprised if there are a few 688's lurking around as well

[edit on 3/13/09 by FredT]

reply to post by mybigunit


I have nothing to add here.
but i had to say youre avatar is stupendous!
Wait, ill say something....
Why cant we just all get along?

reply to post by FredT


Seawolf is out with the USS Stennis battlegroup in WESTPAC. They just completed an ASW exercise with the JASDF last month. I wouldn't be surprised if she just happened to be in the area of Hainan Island for a little while.

reply to post by Zaphod58


I believe there are also a couple Ohio class subs in the WestPac right now. It would be interesting to know if the military has issued any sort of alert order to our units in Korea or Japan over this. I'll keep an eye on the local news since I live in the Puget Sound area, where I believe the majority of ships and many of the troops are home based (PS Naval Shipyard, Kitsap Naval Base, and Fort Lewis).

reply to post by burdman30ott6


WHich variant?

I assume you are not talking about the SSBN variant out on deterrance patrols. Those no doubt are always on station and ready to go.

But rather the SSGN model. It would make sence to have 1-2 in the area of Korea in the even Kim goes accross the border. 2 such craft would give you 308 Tactical Tomahawks. Any idea what the reload time for those beasts are? Im assuming that 2 are int he pacific and 2 are in the Atlantic but could be wrong.

Originally posted by Zaphod58
reply to post by FredT

 

Seawolf is out with the USS Stennis battlegroup in WESTPAC. They just completed an ASW exercise with the JASDF last month. I wouldn't be surprised if she just happened to be in the area of Hainan Island for a little while.

This area would seem ideal for the newer Virgina Class subs to be footing around in as well. The nice thing about using the subs is its all speculation noone really knows where they are

Originally posted by Black_Fox


Relations between the U.S and China seem to be collapsing rather quickly.

This could all be nothing more than both countries flexing its "muscles".

But if it becomes anything more than that,dark times are ahead.And this isnt something the U.S needs to getting into with China,or anyone else for that matter.

Im beginning to think that the U.S knows it can never pay China back,and perhaps they look at the possibility of a war with China as a cheaper route to go.


www.timesonline.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)

I said this years ago when we first sold the debt to China.

I have been jokingly telling people that instead of bitching about what they felt was an intrusion of Spanish into our lives that they had better start learning Chinese.

It was obvious that we would never be able to pay them back so what is the alternative? War.

To the victor goes the spoils.

I'm not sure that threatening your Creditors is a wise thing to do. Their greatest weapon is the US Debt that they own. If they dump it now, before we can devalue it, our military will have some funding problems. They really don't need the US consumer who isn't consuming, so that symbiotic relationship crap is out the window.

Originally posted by mybigunit
Wow. Talk about taking care of your debts like France did to the Knights of Templar. If you cant pay them back kill them. I hope this doesnt explode into something unnecessary....

Except the U.S. can't kill China, stalemate would be the most likely outcome of a full-out war between these two huge nations.

China doesn't have as many nukes.
There nukes are small and ummm, Chinese ish
America has like 10000 nukes, china like 100 little pea shooters.
Russia has more than both

Originally posted by Zaphod58
The USS Chung-Hoon is on the way to escort the USNS Impeccable. The Chung-Hoon is a Flight IIA Arleigh Burke class destroyer. It carries mostly the SM-2 Standard missile, but can also carry Tomahawk Land Attack Missiles, ASROC antisubmarine rockets, and two triple torpedo launchers. It has a 5 inch gun, and positions for heavy machine guns, as well as 2 Bushmaster 25mm guns for self defense (along with two Phalanx systems), but its primary mission is as an Aegis destroyer, which is to shoot down aircraft and missiles. The Flight IIA increased the SM-2 magazine to 96 missiles, and has a hangar deck capable of supporting two SH-60 Seahawk helicopters at the cost of the Harpoon missile launchers.

Many of the Chinese fishing trawlers are capable of carrying heavy crew served weapons, and depth charges for the Chinese Navy. China and North Korea both use fishing trawlers to supplement their naval forces for coastal patrols.

Compared to the fishing trawlers the Chung-Hoon is seriously heavily armed, but if things spiraled out of control and she found herself in a confrontation with regular navy forces, she could be in a world of hurt quickly. Both because the Chinese ships are based on Soviet designs, which relied more on surface to surface missiles, and because she would have to split her defenses to protect Impeccable.

Yep, and then an American carrier battle group arrives and its game over for the Chinese.

I'm no fan of America, but even I am getting sick and tired of people talking utter bs about American debt and military capability.
China does not stand a chance against America. A couple carrier battle groups could contain China without issue.
The amount of fire power the USA could still unleash on China even with a stretched US ARMY, is remarkable.

China is doing what it did in the past with the P3 Orion when Clinton came to office. Obama sees this and that's why they are sending warships, to send a message to the Chinese, back the f*** off. You tried this once, you wont be allowed again.

And if you think the US will allow China to gain access to a surveilance ship, whose ew systems are far more advanced then ever before, your kidding your self. There'd be a few Chinese trawlers and anything else China throws at them on the bottom of the South China Sea before the US allows a similar situation to the P3 Orion one in the 1990's.

@Leto - wana bet the US cant take out China?
Hit China's major economic centres, all located on its east coast, take out some major military installations.
Bam, China taken care of.

[edit on 14-3-2009 by BLV12]

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"Hit China's major economic centres, all located on its east coast, take out some major military installations.
Bam, China taken care of."

How about a "whammy!" or a "go bonzo!" Honesty, you make it sound like a cake-walk, and what have we learned from "cake-walks"? Eh? I am thinking of a character on Family Guy that sounds like Wagmire.

This is serious news. China has been secretive for 5,000 years, which is 4, 992 years long than Bush and Cheney, and yet you have the neocon mentality of sea-breezes. Well, it's not. China would love to fight if provoked, it is all the have been doing for 4,992 years more than Bush/Cheney. And then they have Russia on their side. No time for NAU, just NUKE, on our soil.

I am tired, and I need to sleep. I just wanted to chime-in that this type of laissez-fair attitude will be the death of us all.

So, yeah, I hope you were joking....

just to give some more info
We already had a post going about this although I think it was in the wrong forum,If you would like to see what some others have read you will find it here
www.abovetopsecret.com...'

I am more than happy for a mod to close mine and bring the info over here as I think this is an important issue.