British turn on protestors

These protesters should not have been allowed anywhere near the Soldiers, the blame for this 100% has to lay with the Police, for giving permission for it to happen, this is a very small minority of Muslims who were doing the protesting, if you look at other video's of the event, you will see many Muslims in the crowds along the route, actually cheering the troops along.

The way I see it, if you don't like it, then you know where the Airport is, nobody is forcing them to live in our country, collecting benefits, doing jobs and not paying taxes, then when caught using the racial discrimination defence, shouting your a racist at everyone who tells them to they need to wait like every one else, on a recent doctors visit, the receptionist got screamed at by a Muslim, because she told him there was not any appointments for 2 days, he started screaming your a racist, and you hate Muslims etc, she went to give in and give him an emergency appointment (usually set aside for children or the infirm) but an old guy in his 70's stood up and said no, he said this is why people are getting mad, as soon as they scream racism, people cower down and give in, he then made an issue out of it and one of the GP's came out to see what was happening.

The Doctor then told the Muslim guy, he had to wait the 2 days like everyone else, and that if he had a problem to take it up with his bosses, then the racist accusations started again, he was then told he needed to find another surgery to join as his abuse was not going to be tolerated and he was escorted from the building, several cheers went up.

I am far from being a racist, but this crap has to stop, they are guests in our country, and need to start understanding and acting that way, or leave it's as simple as that, the Government has to stop issuing them with free housing, and throwing money at them, especially seeing how our own citizens are struggling to cope, and our elderly and infirm are scared to turn on the heating because of the cost.

Who do these people think they are? all this minority of protesters are doing is turning people against all of them, however I do have a suspicion that this event was designed to go this way, nobody is so stupid as to put these protesters right in the path of this parade, and expect it to go peacefully, this was intended to happen.

As for the comment made by the poster about allowing the Soldiers to bayonet them? what a ridiculous comment, take a look at the video, see those Police officers defending the protesters? see they carried no guns? see how they didn't stand there threatening everyone with violence? well that's what makes Britain Great, we don't have the same fear of the Police other countries have, sure it isn't perfect and it only seems to be the criminals who have the complaints, ask a criminal and they will tell you that prisons are full of innocent people.

As for the rest of us semi law abiding people, I kind of like the idea, that when someone wants to take our possessions, or try and break into our homes, or steal our cars etc, that we know someone is coming to help us when we call, rather than being put on hold because the lines are busy, never thought that being put on hold while someone is trying to kill you as a good idea, that is something that to my knowledge has never ever happened in Great Britain, when we call 999 (911) we get a real live person who is already sending help in an emergency while they are still getting the details off you, I think the standard expected response to a life threatening situation is 8 Mins in populated area's.

My response to those who want to protest like this, is if you are determined to get your point across, don't expect a civil response when you do it in the face of the hero's returning from a country where all they did was defend the innocent, if you have a problem, then take it up with the policy makers, I for one don't like defenders of our country to be ridiculed because you couldn't control your own Governments, perhaps you should allow your Women to take charge, I promise you, they would do a damn better job than any of you ever have, what is it you want to protect? your freedom? or your apparent right to treat Women as slaves? NOT IN MY COUNTRY. EVER! go home if you don't like it.

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He made a fair point, I was almost assulted by a squaddie in a supermarket because I refused his forced help in packing my shopping in exchange for donations for the military. If the empire wants to ram their military down my throat then they can expect the same in return from those who aren't supportive of an illegal war.

Some might argue they are "just doing their jobs over there" and some might counter, "if they are so weak as to kill other people for something they don't believe in then they deserve all they get".

All's fair in love and war? Nobody broke any laws, they have every right to protest there (however much it is in bad taste).

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i pray my son never knows war and that this endless circle of war is stopped

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sorry but i dont think they love it,

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I edited my last post whilst I still had a chance.

I'm sorry it just seems that way to me.

Originally posted by 44soulslayer

Soldiers didn't ask to go to war and risk their lives.

They don't?

I agree with Albert Einstein: "The pioneers of a warless world are the young men (and women) who refuse military service."
- Albert Einstein

Doesn't mean that I agree with what the Muslim protesters did. Yet, knowing the numbers and category of the casualties of this unjust war makes it understandable:

U.S. MILITARY DEATHS (IRAQ): 4,257
U.S. MILITARY WOUNDED (IRAQ): 31,089
IRAQI CIVILIAN DEATHS: 151,000
'EXCESS' IRAQI DEATHS: 655,000

Those numbers are from Michael Moore's site and he doesn't list the British casualties.

Just what are "excess" deaths? To me, they are all excess as the war was waged based on over 900 lies (as reported by the media) told to justify invading Iraq.

Seems to me that is what we need to be upset about.


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Oh dear... most of the people on this thread make me embarrassed to be British. It's like reading the Private Eye piss-take column. Is someone going to mention "dear little Maddie" in a minute?

One post in particular deserves some serious rebuttal.

Originally posted by azzllin
These protesters should not have been allowed anywhere near the Soldiers, the blame for this 100% has to lay with the Police, for giving permission for it to happen...

The point about free speech is that it's free whether you agree with it or not. Full marks to the police for doing their job. Obviously, this protest isn't a real threat, otherwise the police would have been much more hostile to the protestors.

this is a very small minority of Muslims who were doing the protesting, if you look at other video's of the event, you will see many Muslims in the crowds along the route, actually cheering the troops along.

I'm sorry, I obviously don't have your talent for spotting someone's religious affiliation without actually asking them. You're pretty talented, being able to pick Muslims out of a crowd. I didn't spot any burkas in the crowd, and that's the only specifically Islamic garment I know.

The way I see it, if you don't like it, then you know where the Airport is, nobody is forcing them to live in our country, collecting benefits, doing jobs and not paying taxes...

This is from someone who later says "I'm not a racist".

Hint: racism is about treating a whole sector of the population in a knee-jerk way. You're just not being terribly consistent, either. One minute Muslims are cheering the troops home, the next they're brown chav scum.

on a recent doctors visit, the receptionist got screamed at by a Muslim, because she told him there was not any appointments for 2 days...

Yup. I've never seen a proper British person make that kind of a scene in a doctor's waiting room. You know, it's just possible that they might have been discriminated against before and thought it was happening again. I agree, it's unpleasant behaviour, but it's not just Muslims who resort to screaming and shouting when they don't get what they think they're entitled to.

I'd have applauded too when the GP stood up to him. But I wouldn't have thought all Muslims were like that, because I know lots who aren't.

I am far from being a racist

Sorry to break it to you... not that far, I'm afraid. As soon as you start saying things like

Who do these people think they are?

you're basically tarring them all with the same brush. That's racism: condeming an entire race (in this case a religion, which just makes things confusing - but you think you can tell a Muslim by sight and I'd say that's fallacious) for the actions, real or imagined, of a few.

... however I do have a suspicion that this event was designed to go this way, nobody is so stupid as to put these protesters right in the path of this parade, and expect it to go peacefully, this was intended to happen.

Well, this is a conspiracy site, after all: and I'm glad you've included something that works on that level amongst the reconstituted Daily Mail hysterical drivel. And actually, I think you might be right. Those protesters might have been allowed there to provoke precisely the reaction you've displayed.

My response to those who want to protest like this, is if you are determined to get your point across, don't expect a civil response when you do it in the face of the hero's returning from a country where all they did was defend the innocent

I doubt very much they expected a civil response. As for "defending the innocent"... however benign the intentions of individual soldiers, they're in the wrong place at the wrong time for all the wrong reasons. Defending the innocent is certainly not what Iraq and Afghanistan are about, however much Bliar would have loved to spin it that way. But that's another, much longer, thread. I will simply say that the war was and is illegal, and that the war crime of waging aggressive war is regarded as the most serious of all, because it contains within it the seed of all other crimes.

if you have a problem, then take it up with the policy makers

I absolutely agree. It's like picking on someone at school because of what their dad does for a living. The soldiers deserve our sympathy.

I for one don't like defenders of our country to be ridiculed because you couldn't control your own Governments

Not that you're a racist... I think that might be the single most misinformed sentence in a long and very special post. You really need to do some reading about why the US went to war in the first place, and why we got dragged into it.

... what is it you want to protect? your freedom? or your apparent right to treat Women as slaves? NOT IN MY COUNTRY. EVER! go home if you don't like it.

Nah mate, that doesn't sound racist at all. Or stupid. Don't get me wrong. I wouldn't for a moment defend Sharia, or suggest that the Police don't, for example, get involved in honour killing, an appalling practice that, as you say, has no place in the UK

What they're protesting at is that we've invaded two countries (for reasons entirely different to the ones in the official BS) with predominantly Muslim population.

And the bottom lineis, those are war crimes, and Blair and his cabinet should face legal consequences for that. Not that I'm holding my breath on that one, obviously.

one reason young people are joining the forces is because that is basiclly all the jobs the have on offer.

i find that lately the news is talking about agism against the elder population but the under 25s are having a hard time to, you wither need the experance or the qualifications but many young people have neither because they are being failed by the education, parents or both.

unfortuantly the military is taking advantage of this, offeing pentions, free medical care and mediocure housing.
its more than they are getting in a civilian wrld.

also these protesters discusted me, if you agree or disagree witht the war respect those that come back because some of those that came back, where in a box.


also i agree with the person who said dont like it go back to your own country.
im sick of molly codeling around these people if they dont get their way they shout racism.
britain is in a state and what scares me are more and more people are turnoing to parties like the bnp and i totally disagree withthtis but people are fed up.
i think this might be a start of a civil war in a sence.