I think I made a mistake

I am a new member to your site, and I have been doing some reading on the RFID chip. Which leads me to my question. As my name implies, I am a pipefitter working at a plant on the Texas Gulf Coast. Recently, we were required to obtain a TWIC card by the contractor and plant I work for, under the auspices that it would be the only way we would be allowed to work on the dock area if we got any work out there. But after researching the RFID chip, I was alarmed to discover my card not only has a magnetic strip, but a chip as well. Do you, my fellow members, feel this is one more step towards controlling the citizenry? And if this has been covered before, I apologize. I await your wisdom.

Yeah sure it is but,it's only on a card,it's the implanted ones that are the problem.

Unfortunately you have to have this card for your job,the question is.....would you take the implant?

This is a question you must ask yourself.

I most certainly agree that it is one step closer to controlling us. It's scary how the government is now letting businesses issue such a card to it's workers. I guess the people who are in charge where you work at want to be able to keep track of you guys at all times.

You've got nothing to worry about. You'll probably get a bunch of people here squealing that its the end of freedom, but most membership cards have them now.

Both colleges I went to, the campus cards had them.
Own a quikpass? That's one.
Speedpay? That's one.

In all honesty, even if you get the implant, threat is negligible. Why? Well because they'll find a reason at every job for people that have them to maintain security.

Its like the income tax, you don't need to pay it, but if you don't, you'll never work for a company again.

Cards are one thing,implants are a totally different ball game,to be honest I'm all for cards and security but an implant is a violation in my opinion.

Wouldn't you agree?

I live in Memphis TN and our schooll age children were issued an ID card at the beginning of the school year. They have the child's photo and they also a contain a bar code.. THEY ALSO HAVE AN RFID CHIP inside the card..they are able to keep track of the child's wherabouts, what time they got to school, what they ate for lunch ( they have to scan them to eat in the cafeteria) and even keep a 'file' on their behavior problems...My son told me that they will be suspended if they show up without it..I googled this thing on the internet and it is already being done in about 20-30 states...but madatory for all states for the school year 2009-2010....WTF!!! I just got my licensed renewed and its MANDATORY that you have to retake your photo. Have they started chipping us?

Originally posted by kuhl
Cards are one thing,implants are a totally different ball game,to be honest I'm all for cards and security but an implant is a violation in my opinion.

Wouldn't you agree?

I totally agree with you. I would also rather have a card then an implant.

What is the difference between a card that contains a chip and a chip inserted into a body?

If they mean that you have to have either one to have a job or money its the same thing if carried around at all times. I guess its not really as we need a bank account to work etc.

But if it has all your information centralised into the one piece of info that must be carried at all times........

Nah, it must be completely different, right? Of course it is, now you go take your medicine for thinking different from anyone else.

Something that you need to function in society whether it be within your body or outwith is the same thing if it needs to be carried at all times.

Show me your papers! Hail Obama!



Go with your gut, do not ask anyone unless you completely trust them in your country as it has been sabotaged.



[edit on 8-3-2009 by XXXN3O]

The difference between a chip in a card, and a chip in the body is.
The chip in the body is used to find your body with satellites.
The chip in the card is used to stop people forging the card.

The chip in a card IS security.

An implanted chip is something totally different in my opinion.

To carry a card is one thing,bodily violation is another.

Originally posted by CaptainCaveMan
The difference between a chip in a card, and a chip in the body is.
The chip in the body is used to find your body with satellites.
The chip in the card is used to stop people forging the card.

Let's us not forget that the government can finds ways to make life hard for whoever is implanted with a chip.

Take an TRUE example here.

I am in the Uk where we are facing voluntary introductions of national identity cards that contain a chip with all your information. D.O.B, income, outgoings, purchase history, finger prints, eye scans, account details, medical history, criminal history, DNA profile, home address, contact details, drivers licence details and family history.

It will become compulsory by 2012 in this country by law.

You cannot work without one or obtain credit when this comes into effect.

It must be carried by law or you will be arrested for being an illegal immigrant or terrorist.

Same or different thing?

You guys need to wake up seriously.

Have a good read here www.privacyinternational.org...[342][]=c-1-ID+Around+the+World&als[theme]=ID%20Around%20the%20World&conds[1][category........]=ID% 20Around%20the%20World&als[_parent_]=National%20ID%20Cards

Maybe have a little weep while you are at it?

Mark of the beast, mark of the owners, mark of the poor, mark of the damned. God knows but its going on now and some of you are defending the tip toes.



[edit on 8-3-2009 by XXXN3O]

reply to post by XXXN3O



Im in the UK and I won't take an ID card.

I do have a passport and a DL but these systems were in place long before I acquired them an ID card is totally different.

Thatcher tried to bring ID cards to football in the 80s to curb football hooliganism ,this attempt failed as will I predict the almost dead ID card scheme
will.

I think it is you who need to wake up my friend.

KUHL Bolton fan

reply to post by kuhl


Im not saying you need to wake up, im saying some do but not specific.

I am in agreement with you on that and ill not be one to take it either but some are eager for it to protect them.

Surely you will know what I am talking about being from the UK with people eager to get them?

A passport and DL is ok as it is contained on seperate locations and not the one card as is a bank account. To centralise everything is a different matter altogether.

Like many other things it is a small case of tip toes to the real thing over a number of years if it does not work the first time around.

No offence was intended toward you or anyone else but maybe a wake up call to some on this site after many of the topics on this subject I have read.

I hope that you are correct in your prediction but this is an entirely different world in terms of the younger generation since thatcher. Most do not even know who Thatcher was and some might even ask what a Thatcher is for crying out loud.

Take it from one of the generation of whom I speak.

I had a great grandfather who fought in the 2nd world war and he must be spinning in his grave at what is about to happen in the UK.




[edit on 8-3-2009 by XXXN3O]

reply to post by XXXN3O


I agree,a person is intelligent,people are stupid and ignorant,but....
an ID card is totally against the British psyche.
No offence taken.

reply to post by kuhl


I do have to say that I have friends that range from quantity surveyors to warehouse workers and the point I am getting at is that they all support ID cards to defeat "terrorism".

They will argue things such as "A terrorist will be stopped at the border without a card and we will never have to worry about attacks.

There are many in this country that are thinking the same thing.

Not to mention other countries as well as this thread is indicating.

I worry that, myself and yourself are now a minority with regards to national ID cards.

That is not a good sign. Especially with political correctness becoming an increasing factor in how you can even speak about such things.



[edit on 8-3-2009 by XXXN3O]

I worked in the access control/ security industry, in Texas I might add. I sold and installed the hardware associated with this card. The T.W.I.C. card uses dual biometric fingerprint technology, FBI regulated, all fingers both hands. FBI full background check is required to be approved for T.W.I.C. Synonym for Transportation Worker Identity Credentials. Any place that has international ports are to require this card for all workers, contractors, anyone that works for, at, or passes through the facility. International airports, seaports, etc..The real kicker is the DHS will require this card for ALL international workers entering the facility not just American citizens. How they will get all workers around the world who plan to come onto U.S. soil is beyond me. Millions of workers. Especially since it cost somewhere around $130 to be paid by the worker. It has biometric, mag stripe, RFID, and PIN. Big brother , Yes, but it will make our ports safer.

I appreciate the above replies. Just for the record, as I was researching the RFID chip, I also discovered the first step would be a RealID card, which would contain a chip and magnetic strip with your personal information on it. What does the TWIC card have? You guessed it! Also, I try and keep abreast of my industry by browsing job websites, and I have noticed what I consider to be an alarming trend: I see a lot of workers saying that there are many places where you won't even be allowed to work if you do not posess one of these cards. I also overheard one of the people issuing the cards saying that one day soon these cards would be valid identification cards. Your thoughts?

D.O.B, income, outgoings, purchase history, finger prints, eye scans, account details, medical history, criminal history, DNA profile, home address, contact details, drivers licence details and family history.

Shocking isn't it?

Not.

All that information most people freely give anyway. Passports, Your DL, Your NI card ( same as SS card in the States) , your Tesco and ASAD loyalty cards - Do you realize how much of your data is stored in databases across the world?

It's unlikely that the wildly unpopular ID scheme will come to pass in the UK, but then again it doesn't have to. Somewhere any information "they" want is easily obtainable.

Most of time with your complete cooperation.