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Originally posted by Kapyong
Gday,
Originally posted by B.A.C.
Again, you're spouting off misinformation.
Every fossil is transitional? You actually believe this? You're the only one then, because science doesn't agree with you.
Wrong.
Science DOES agree with me,
as you would know if you ever cracked a science book.
This is probably the single most common creationist mis-conception - that there are TWO TYPES of fossils :
* transitional fossils
* normal, "full formed" fossils.
This is completely incorrect.
Evolution occurs as a continuous sequence of small transitions.
Every creature is transitional between itself and it's children.
YOU would be transitional between you parents and your children (if/when you ever had any.) As we ALL would be.
We are ALL mutants, we are ALL transitional.
This is a basic fact of evolution.
But you don't grasp it.
Originally posted by B.A.C.
Like I said earlier in this thread if there are thousands of transitional fossils, name 51 for me. Should be simple for you to do, no?
Short answer - every fossil is transtional.
Some specific examples can be found here
en.wikipedia.org...
Many more than 51.
(Now don't try pretending Wiki is not a reliable source - all these examples have links to the HARD SCIENCE that backs them up. Actual scientific papers which can be checked.)
Some good lists here :
www.holysmoke.org...
Longer answer - here are some specific examples of sequences of evolutionary transitions :
www.talkorigins.org...
All with scientific cites - evidence that can be CHECKED.
Originally posted by B.A.C.
Since you can't do that, quit claiming you're right.
I CAN do that.
I HAVE done that.
I AM right.
But let's face it - you will just find an excuse to ignore it all, again.
Kapyong
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by littlebunny
Sorry, bunny.....the 'eyes' have it!!! (pun...)
The eye is such a favorite of creationists, and it's ironic that it is one of the WORST arguments available to plead their case!
The eye adapts as far as it needs, via Natural Selection, to suit the need of the individual species.
Consider the modern Human eye: It has a very limited range of the EM spectrum visible to it. Why? Because, for the purpose of survival of our species, it's good enough.
felines can see much, much better in low-light conditions....owls too. because hunting in the dark has an advantage over their prey.
an eagle has an eye smaller than ours, but with MUCH better visual accuity at a distance...I daresay, so does a Hawk....and it continues. Name a species, and it has adapted to fill a particular niche....if the parameters change, than Natural Selection will, generation over generation, allow those who survive to breed the traits into their offspring that ALLOWED them to flourish long enough to mate.
I'm sick of needing corrective lenses for my eyes. I have needed glasses from childhood. If I had been an individual, in wild, I likely would have been culled, and my traits never passed down.
Humans, though have A) brains and B) community cooperation on their side.....plus, now, science. (hint: see 'brains')
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by littlebunny
OK, bunny....you talked, now walk.
Please give examples of verifiable 'Evolutionary Frauds' within the last 30 years. Purty please?
You cannot simply drop a bomb,
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by littlebunny
OK, bunny....you talked, now walk.
Please give examples of verifiable 'Evolutionary Frauds' within the last 30 years. Purty please?
You cannot simply drop a bomb, and hope it dangles out there as sudden 'proof' of Fraud, just because you say so!!!
Regardless.....IF you are attempting to make an argument for 'creationism', then I feel very sorry.
Because if you think that WE are the best thing that some all-powerful 'designer' could come up with, then I want my money back!
Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by littlebunny
Finger nails !!!!!
Really?
Now I am tired of silliness!!
Some people's cancers grow faster than others', too....but, how is ANY of that relevant? AND their hair...and skin.....again, relevance?
WoW! just wow!
Evolutionary difference in skin color, eyelid shapes, body hair distribution....just in the Human species.....these things don't occur overnight. But, fingernails? Wow.....mine all grow at the same rate, so does that mean I'm a mutant?
Originally posted by B.A.C.
reply to post by littlebunny
You'll never get anywhere with these people.
They don't just say there is lots of evidence to support it.
They swear it is FACT (Which is the problem I have with it).
Anyway, good points.
Cheers.
Originally posted by littlebunny
Originally posted by B.A.C.
reply to post by littlebunny
You'll never get anywhere with these people.
They don't just say there is lots of evidence to support it.
They swear it is FACT (Which is the problem I have with it).
Anyway, good points.
Cheers.
Thanks, you made some good points too!
I know, its like arguing with a kitten.
The reality is I keep looking for truth, sadly I haven't found it yet… Interesting concepts to ponder, but no truth! What is extremely funny to me is, these people (evolutionist) think its okay to believe in Evolution, and then its okay for them to dog creationism! That always makes me laugh... Both beliefs take just as much FAITH to believe in!
Cheers right back at ya!
--Charles Marcello
Originally posted by skeptic_al
reply to post by B.A.C.
The arguement for Churchism, is pretty flawed in so many ways.
It basically says that Evolution does not exist.
Then each organism is at it is when it was created, and can not adapt
to a change in environments.
Every new generation is slightly different to the Parent, they are not
exact copies. It is these minor changes that is evolution.
All the pieces of evolution fit together like a jigsaw puzzle, there are
some pieces missing, they could be your backyard.
And according the Churchism, the Earth, Stars, Universe were created
by god 6,000 to 10,000 ago. This based on the bible being 3,000 years
old, real scientific like. And this is where church goes into no comment
mode when trying to quantify Ancient Egypt and the Myans because they
could not exist before god created them.
Originally posted by littlebunny
I'm sorry, but your conclusion Evolution is a scientific theory/fact is absolutely ridiculous, because there is ZERO transitional evidence from this to thus in the archeological records... Just peoples beliefs and made up science… It truly is Amazing science gets to force this nonsense onto the world!
I mean using that logic then the Bible is absolute proof God created everything. I mean, the stories written within the Bible seem to support the archeological finds, let alone the historical documents. So therefore God has been proven!!! NO? HMM!
I know I'm not going to convince you your belief are absolutely wrong, just like I'm sure you’re aware I am absolutely convinced there is no evidence to even remotely prove evolution... The supposed/laughable, “evidence,” for Evolution is no more scientific proof then the stories that have been proven to be true in the Bible proves there is a God...
If people were to learn the truth about the history of Evolution verse Intelligent Design they would learn I.D. does not have all the lies, forgeries, and hoaxes that have been force feed to children and adults time after time by people who claim to be objectionable scientist. It truly is laughable… Everything that was once hailed as proof of Evolution has been proven to be horrible fakes, hoaxes, and purposeful blatant lies.
If you want a great laugh, I mean this stuff is hilarious, not to mention a continued embarrassment for Evolution, then read about the history of this pathetic wannabe science. The lies, hoaxes, and forgeries, each of those stains/disgraces towards science continue to plague Evolution from damn near its concept to present day.
Originally posted by B.A.C.
The Missing Links, where are they? If evolution were true where are all these skeletons that are halfway through evolving? There are none.
Even today, this world is filled with simple one-cell structured living organisms. Why didn't they evolve?
Why don't we see new species emerging? There should be new species evolving before our very eyes, where are they? Instead we see the extinction of species. Has evolution now stopped?
Answer these questions for me.
Originally posted by The_Modulus
Sorry for not reading the whole of this thread, I just wanted to respond to a few points made on page one that I've heard resonate from many people who do not yet understand evolution.
Originally posted by B.A.C.
The Missing Links, where are they? If evolution were true where are all these skeletons that are halfway through evolving? There are none.
This is a favourite argument of the non-understanders, and the simple answer to the question is that the 'missing-link' species are literally everywhere, not only in the fossil records we have, but living and thriving all over our planet today. The examples are too numerous to bother listing here, but to anyone having even the most remote doubts regarding the truth of this statement, I highly, highly recommend watching David Attenborough's Life in Cold Blood series, in particular the episode 'Sophisticated Serpents', which is basically about the thousands of species caught in environments where they became 'transition' species.
Even today, this world is filled with simple one-cell structured living organisms. Why didn't they evolve?
They did evolve, they evolved to perfectly suit their environment and went no further. Evolution does not occur without the pressures of environment.
Why don't we see new species emerging? There should be new species evolving before our very eyes, where are they? Instead we see the extinction of species. Has evolution now stopped?
We are seeing new species evolving. All the time. Here is a nice example of a new lizard species that was ushered into existence by forcing it to confront an alternative environment.
Answer these questions for me.
Pleasure
Please do yourself a favour and somehow get a copy of Attenborough's Life series. You will be left without a doubt as to the certainty of evolution as the process that has brought the abundance of living things to planet Earth.
Originally posted by B.A.C.
reply to post by andre18
Quit saying it's a fact, and I'll agree with your points.
To say it's a fact is just wrong, facts don't have gaps, facts don't say "Well MOST of the evidence proves this to be right" Facts don't say "Well do you have a better explanation?" Facts don't say "There are mountains of evidence to back this up". Facts are apparent, even to the uninformed.
Facts are facts, unless science has also redefined the word fact?
The ONLY problem I have with any of this are the people claiming that this is fact. That takes more faith than any creationist has.
Enough said.
Cheers.
In science, a theory is not a guess, not a hunch. It's a well-substantiated, well-supported, well-documented explanation for our observations.2 It ties together all the facts about something, providing an explanation that fits all the observations and can be used to make predictions.
In science, theory is the ultimate goal, the explanation. It's as close to proven as anything in science can be.
Originally posted by B.A.C.
This is my FINAL post on this thread. Quote me all you want. You won't get a response.
Some good points have been made on both sides. I'm not wasting my energy on this debate any longer.
Evolution is not fact. Plain and simple. Maybe a good theory, but not fact.
littlebunny burned this thread.
Later.
[edit on 4-3-2009 by B.A.C.]