Do these mysterious stones mark the site of the Garden of Eden?

Originally posted by BorgHoffen
You know I think the garden of Eden just refers to a particular nice place on earth at the time.
I don't think it was all magical and mysterious.
Many places on the earth right now that could resemble a garden of Eden.

i am not a geologist, but i don't think this area of turkey changed that much over 10,000 to 12,000 years ago. seems a very short span of time unless something dramatic happened.

reply to post by Alexander1111


How is this discovery validating that book, may I ask? The book says that the Garden of Eden was on a peninsula that sunk into the sea.

i am not a geologist, but i don't think this area of turkey changed that much over 10,000 to 12,000 years ago. seems a very short span of time unless something dramatic happened.

Well, I think what they are saying is that the clearing of the land of trees, together with thousands of years of agriculture turned a once fertile land into desert. Remember Lebanon was known in antiquity for its cedar trees, most of which are long gone. When man is involved, dramatic things can happen in short time spans.

Historically, extensive deforestation has occurred, with only small remnants of the original forests surviving. Deforestation has been particularly severe in the Lebanon and Cyprus; on Cyprus, only small trees up to 25 m (82 ft) tall survive, though Pliny the Elder recorded cedars 40 m (130 ft) tall there.[19] [21]

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Originally posted by LostNemesis
I wonder why this was discovered and known about since 2004, but are only getting out to the people now... Or was there mention of this elsewhere before now?

And, I would be highly skeptical of such a finding. Haven't the same certain people been 'writing' our history for us, for a long time?
Think about it....

If the same certain people have been writing our history for a long time I would like to meet them and get their secret for having such long lives. They must be over 4 thousand years old by now.

Originally posted by nibirusight
Earth was Eden, before us humans came here!

you know...the more research i do...the more that i'm leaning your way of thinking. i simply don't think the human race IS a native species of the earth. a native species blends in quite well with its enviorment and doesn't destroy its own habitat.

The Garden of Eden was supposedly in Iraq. Near Basra.
Between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers according to scripture.
I saw on the TV a program about The Garden of Eden being in Iraq.
The people of there believe it. They made a park out of the spot.
There was also a very old tree that they called 'The Tree of Life'.
It recently died. It shocked everyone.
It's death was called prophetic because it supposedly had been
alive since the beginning of the world.

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by BorgHoffen
You know I think the garden of Eden just refers to a particular nice place on earth at the time.
I don't think it was all magical and mysterious.
Many places on the earth right now that could resemble a garden of Eden.

i am not a geologist, but i don't think this area of turkey changed that much over 10,000 to 12,000 years ago. seems a very short span of time unless something dramatic happened.

Well the last Ice Age came to an end at that time. There was massive climate change and global warming. It was pretty dramatic.

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by nibirusight
Earth was Eden, before us humans came here!

you know...the more research i do...the more that i'm leaning your way of thinking. i simply don't think the human race IS a native species of the earth. a native species blends in quite well with its enviorment and doesn't destroy its own habitat.

It's what the greed of humans fueled by capitalism does to the enviroment. Earth will one day be restored to it's Eden state after capitalism and greed no longer exists.

Originally posted by John Matrix
It's what the greed of humans fueled by capitalism does to the enviroment.

Capitalism has nothing to do with global warming or pollution levels.
Communist China has some of the worst air pollution rates in the world.

Time Magazine

U.S. industry is often painted as the chief villain by conservationists, but pollution is hardly unique to capitalist nations. It is often worse in Communist countries, where technocrats toil to boost industrial production with little thought to environmental consequences.

Communist and socialist countries care more about output then the environment. Don't blame pollution on capitalism. Blame it on humans in general. And don't blame global warming on humans. The natural cycle of global warming may or may not be aggrevated by humans. That has yet to be determined.

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reply to post by smokingman2006
uh oh archaeology bears out the bible again...

and those T shaped megaliths, they look like crosses. Why is the cross so important even 10,000 years ago?

Oh well, I guess we'll never know.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
Capitalism has nothing to do with global warming or pollution levels.
Communist China has some of the worst air pollution rates in the world.

Time Magazine
Communist and socialist countries care more about output then the environment. Don't blame pollution on capitalism. Blame it on humans in general. And don't blame global warming on humans. The natural cycle of global warming may or may not be aggrevated by humans. That has yet to be determined.

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Really? I should have mentioned socialism and communism too then. All are greed motivated.

Is the state of the enviroment a result of man pursuing what he needs for life (water, food, shelter, clothing) or is it a creation from "want, greed, covetousness, and feeding a false ego?"

The Story of the Bible tells what happened to us, greed is the root of all evil...because "our creators" knew they could never trust us.... they had to find different ways of control, but the only thing wrong with that was we still kept asking WHY?

Nice to see such a great response to the very amazing story.

Just imagine 13,000 years ago we human were already carving and recording our history in stone, looking at the stones the artist of the day was pretty good to look at the one of the pig or boar, his tusk look great.

this world still has much to reveal.......

peace& health
SM

Wow! I've learned about Baalbek and Gobekli in about a month's time! I'm giddy over megaliths! Unbelievable!

I wonder if there's a connection between the deliberate burying of the Gobekli stones and the ones who tore the (white, higher grade) limestone skins off the Giza pyramids. Definitely looks like a period of barbarism followed a cataclysm; that followed an era of higher knowledge-workmanship.

reply to post by TheComte

How is this discovery validating that book, may I ask? The book says that the Garden of Eden was on a peninsula that sunk into the sea.

Yes, east of the island of Cyprus. That wasn't my point. This area seems to have been the centre of civilisation of very ancient years, long before the Sumerians as the book reveals and this is in agreement with the archaelogical discovery.

Alexandros

reply to post by FlyersFan

The Garden of Eden was supposedly in Iraq. Near Basra. Between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers according to scripture. I saw on the TV a program about The Garden of Eden being in Iraq. The people of there believe it. They made a park out of the spot. There was also a very old tree that they called 'The Tree of Life'. It recently died. It shocked everyone. It's death was called prophetic because it supposedly had been alive since the beginning of the world.

That's where supposedly the second garden was located, after Adam and Eve decided to leave the Garden of Eden.

Alexandros

Originally posted by Alexander1111
This area seems to have been the centre of civilisation of very ancient years, long before the Sumerians as the book reveals and this is in agreement with the archaelogical discovery.

Alexandros

Yes, I totally agree with you on this point. Before the great civilizations that we know a fair bit about (Sumer, Egypt, China, Persia), there must have been a fairly advanced civ that we know nothing about. I also think it was in this region, around the Black Sea.

reply to post by Lightworth

Definitely looks like a period of barbarism followed a cataclysm; that followed an era of higher knowledge-workmanship.

I am not sure I follow your chronology here. My read - just a gut feeling - was that some kind of spiritual beliefs of the hunter gatherers led to the construction of the site. The beliefs and rituals became with time more extreme and perhaps even bizarre as happens when religions become formalized, and ended with the extreme acts of human sacrifice - perhaps out of desperation; one can't be sure.
Whether the problems with agriculture and climate were man made, or the result of the receding ice age, or both, obviously the religious practices weren't helping.
Perhaps they began to feel that the human sacrifices and all were making things worse, and so some new emerging group of "disbelievers" came to "power" and saw to it that the evilness got buried.
Just a theory.

Originally posted by Phlegmi
These people didn't just sit down and decided to make this articulate carvings, it would take alot of practice and know how to do that. So my question is if these are the oldest human carvings where are some of their earlier works?

BINGO!! They had to practice on something. You do not get that good at carving and architecture over night.

Give that man some more stars.

I do not understand why they say it was DELIBERATELY buried. It seems to me that the flood would have washed sediments into the depression to bury it.

reply to post by wayno


Sorry I didn't read enough of the story before posting. I'm just referring to the physical crafting being something outside of the strictly primitive Stone Age (or shortly enough after) theories. True that there could have been more than one era of barbarism, but the master stonework goes back to an earlier time, as I see it.



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