Money is the absence of free will

What situation have you been in where your freewill has not been manipulated my money? Please post your thoughts. Money = the absence of free will.

As far as I am concerned, more money=more freedom=more free-will.

Let me see: Money has enslaved me all my life. I worked hard only to loose everything. Without money, I cannot eat, clothe myself or put a roof over my head. My free will to move about has all but been taken away.

yes...but your free will is compromised once you accept it.....

Under whatever terms or conditions that may apply.

The terms and conditions have affectively manipulated your free will.

What situation have you been in where your freewill
has not been manipulated my money?

I chose to read this post. I chose to respond. I chose to type my response in notepad and copy & paste it into the browser rather than typing it in the browser,

Were any of these choices manipulated by money?

I recently petted a car on the table this computer is on. The cat then chose to sit on my keyboard preventing me from typing. I chose to pet the cat and scratch behind his ears. The cat then chose to roll over and climb into my lap.

Were any of these choices, made by either myself or the cat, manipulated by money?

Money = the absence of free will.

We can probably agree that the rocks in my backyard have less free will than you or I do.

Do they have more money?

I chose to read this post. I chose to respond. I chose to type my response in notepad and copy & paste it into the browser rather than typing it in the browser,

You had free will until you paid for your internet. Unless you did not pay for your internet. Money manipulation was involved.

I recently petted a car on the table this computer is on. The cat then chose to sit on my keyboard preventing me from typing. I chose to pet the cat and scratch behind his ears. The cat then chose to roll over and climb into my lap.

Were any of these choices, made by either myself or the cat, manipulated by money?

No, cats have free will. Like us. Only they are also domesticated like us. It takes money to feed them, that is unless you hunt and kill for their food on your own.

We can probably agree that the rocks in my backyard have less free will than you or I do.

Yes

Do they have more money?

I certainly hope not.

Originally posted by pikypiky
Let me see: Money has enslaved me all my life. I worked hard only to loose everything. Without money, I cannot eat, clothe myself or put a roof over my head. My free will to move about has all but been taken away.

Your free will can never be affected by money. If you have no money to go to Hawaii, but you want to go to Hawaii, you have a perfectly free will. You don't have freedom of action, but free will.

Even prison can never affect you free will. You are absolutely free to want what you want, whether you can do anything of this or not.

Unfortunately no one of us has a free will. Our free will is enslaved by our culture and the brain washing of the TV. They tell us that we want this waterproof watch and these stylish socks. For sure before we watched TV we never had any wish for a waterproof watch or stylish socks. We wanted to eat healthy food and enjoy lots of nature. We wanted honesty and love. But no watch

When you have no money, you do not consider whether you want these socks or whether you don't want them. So the economy has less impact on the free will of the poor. This is why a camel goes through an eye of a needle, before a rich goes to heaven (german proverb).

I own the money; not vice-versa.

Find ways to make money works for you.

You are the master.

It's a give and take like other relationship dynamics. You commit 8 hours a day, 5 days (40 hours) a week for money, then for 128 hours a week you can do what you like with the money. If you choose to rent an apartment, you have the choice as to where and what kind. If you choose to lease or buy a car, the kind is also up to you. You can choose to ride the bus, the subway, train, carpool, etc. You can choose what to eat and from where. Choices are all over the place every day and it's waiting for your will to decide. You can even choose where to work if you choose to work at all.

Is 40 hours of doing what 'the man' tells you to do worth 128 hours of freedom? I think so. It also makes society work as a whole.

Try telling these people that giving them that just a little bit of your money each month will put them into 'slavery': Compassion International . For them, no money means no choice and the only free will they have is to either hope for rescue or give up hope in their starvation.

[edit on 25-2-2009 by saint4God]

i hands down agree here. Money is a tool originaly to save from having to exchange in irrational ways, but since the formation of banks and organised crime, i mean debt. It has become a tool for slave owners.
It ill take more than revolt against a beast of ignorant proportions to stop the microchip-forced labor camps goal they have for you.

Dont believe anyone today. There are socialists, communists, liars and opportunists like a sawrm of ignorant lemmings following there leader into the sea.

Do not follow these idiots. They have skewed capitalism and framed it. America HAS BEEN FRAMED BY GLOBALIST LIARS WHO USE CORRUPT BOUGHT OUT MEDIA WHO MAKE IT OBVIOUS IT IS RED DAWN.

LOL there was a quote from a movie

Money has no owners ONLY spenders..

Freewill is just that Freewill can not be bought or sold only manipulated.

Money is just a tangible way to manipulate choice. You are free to have money or not the choice is yours.

It's not the money. It's the taxes. If there were no taxes you wouldnt need any money.

Once you have access to land for fuel, food and materials you dont need any money.

But.....

Once you have access to land you have to pay a property tax to the oligarchy that claims lordship over you.

To pay that tax you need money.

When you earn an income you are required to pay a tax on that income.
Paying out for the tax means you have less money for your property so you need to work more. If you work more you pay more in income tax.

Put the blame where it belongs. Money is a handy way to barter for goods and services with variable and relative values. Whether it's gold coins, paper cash or plastic twist ties from garbage bags.

Taxation creates the necessity for money and demands under penalty of death and imprisonment that you both earn and spend said money.

Taxation.

Honestly, it gets back to my thread on "free will." The whole concept, when I look at it objectively, is beyond ridiculous. Here is a link to my thread on "free will." Concept of "free will" is a lie!!

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Money is a handy way to barter for goods and services with variable and relative values. Whether it's gold coins, paper cash or plastic twist ties from garbage bags.

This is a good point and understanding the history as to why we have money really helps to see it for what it is. It isn't inherently 'good' nor 'evil' but rather is a tool that can be used for either or neither.

I started this thread as a companion to another thread.

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We don't need money.