Couple wrongly accused of abusing their baby cannot have their children back because it is too late

Originally posted by skeptic1
While I agree that it was horrible that these kids were taken away from their parents due to a "mistake"

, what kind of impact would returning them now cause?

You may speak foolishly, but only as long as you are safe and not personally concerned with this this matter. Anything happening to you and your family, I wonder how loud you'd scream.

Greetings

reply to post by MajesticJax


You're right! This isn't about the child's right to be in a happy, stable home! No, this is about making the parents happy!

Do you know the kind of confusion moving into an unknown couple's home causes? Can you guess how much worse that would be if they were forced to move back in with their biological strangers and be expected to instantly love them just because of their genes?

It should be a slow process, so that it doesn't freak the kids out.

reply to post by Logarock


All cases dealing with children should be taken on a case by case basis. What I don't think a lot of people seem to understand this news report may not contain all the facts leading to these children being taken away.

Childrens court records are sealed. Even if they aren't the ones doing the crime. They can not open those records for everyone to have all the details of what all went on with these children. Where did the reporters get their story from? Who gave them details on it? Are the details all one sided?

Here is one question I would like to ask since blood is thicker than water does it thin down with each generation?

If not then why don't family members turn other family members in for abuse of relatives? Why do many push it under the rug thinking it will get better for the child. You're a grandparent and don't notice that the grandchild you see all the time has bruises or that they fear their parents? Why do so many turn a blind eye on the youngest members of the gene pool? Many cases so child abuse could end a lot differently if the family members did right by the child.

Sorry but child welfare is a passion with me. Whats best for the child is whats the most important. Finding all the facts out before we decide whats best is also most important. When it comes to children there should be no gray area.

If you happen to be a social worker and read this thread my hat is off to you. You have one of the hardest jobs there can possibly be. You see the heart break of families, You see the joy with the ones you can reunite. You see the kids that slipped through the cracks and you couldn't help. Yes occassionally a mistake is made along the way. One that weighs on you more than any other person if they make a mistake in their job. You are underpaid and over worked. Some of you have even been killed trying to help these children. You have a job I could never do without letting it over come me. Your strength amazes me. Always remember if you save one child from becoming a head line news story like so many are becoming now days you have done something better than most of us will ever do in our lives.

Imagine this growing up and finding out you were adopted no doubt you will still love and respect your foster parents but these are trying to get in touch it is not a case of abandonment or abuse the parents want to be involved in this case and i know it is hard fdor all involved but slowly introducing them and there is a possibility they will remember their parents.

But the parents case the parent child bond is neather broken and to deny a parent the right to see their child grow up is worse than a death sentance, as they have to live through it how can you live through that not being able to see your child and whats worse is they havnt done anything what about their relatives like their grandparents their cousins and even their brother and sisters. As im sure there are parents out there think about how painfull this would be.

As for the social services the people involved should be sacked and a very high compensation amount should be isseud why because there is no way to compensate the loss of their children and maybe they could put it in a savers account for their children to go to uni or which would at least show the children that they do care about the, prove that they wernt dead beats. Or they can try and relieve the pain by having a new family or by having a relaxing brake which im sure wouldnt be very relaxful due to stress.

I think the only outcome is going to be a suicide if these parents do not have a child to look out for now as what have they got to live for their pride and joy has been taken off them or they will become alchoholics and suffer from depression. whilst i do not wish this on them this is what is very likely to happen.

reply to post by TheWriter


Read the whole post and don't pick and choose.

Further down, I said that the children should be slowly reintroduced to their natural parents and not kept away from them completely.

I have im just saying what i believe im not saying just take them out and put them in there, i remember the story on ITV where the child was kidnapped and she was brought up by the other woman and the child was taken out and put striaght with her biological parents as well as causing a silence it showed how orkward it would be to be in that postion especially if the 2 parenting types are different.

Thats just completely messed up. Those poor kids. And the parents have to be heartbroken. How could a doctor screw up that badly.

Originally posted by skeptic1
While I agree that it was horrible that these kids were taken away from their parents due to a "mistake"

, what kind of impact would returning them now cause?

This is a horrible miscarriage of justice, but those kids are now settled with new families (or a new family) and haven't seen their natural parents for years. What kind of upheaval would returning them cause the kids? Especially if they were just snatched out of their current homes and returned to people who are basically strangers to them now.

This never should have happened in the first place, but it did. Instead of being "too late", maybe the kids should be slowly reintroduced to their natural parents and see what happens.

No - what should be done is restitution by the state for the injustice they have caused on the family - Then reunite them with their real parent along with the adopted parents -Bring them all together as one!!

State sponsored kidnapping.

Only thing that can be done in this situation is to ask the kids whom they want to be with, I honestly cant see any other way to work it out

What part of "closed courts" and "allowing anonymous accusers" is unwise, unjust, unconstitutional, and un-American is so hard to understand?

I love children, I do. But we have a justice system, we didn't need another one.

reply to post by napayshni57


Haven't you heard of bad doctors? We don't know how many times they taken him to the doctors. We also don't know if that same doctor kept reassuring them that everything is ok when it wasn't, and not to worry. Only to find out later that you are now being accused of being an idiot, abuse, murder, or etc only because you followed your doctor's orders, and actually trusted your doctor.

My oldest daughter almost died when she was born, because we trusted the OBGYN at the time. It wasn't for the head nurse standing up to the doctor, I don't think she would have lived. In hind sight, I should have switched doctors long before the birth.

After every thing was said and done, I found out the doctor hated my guts, and thought I was basically a complete idiot. I'm glad being considered a complete idiot by your doctor wasn't a good enough reason to call CPS. Needless to say, you shouldn't wonder what I thought of the doctor after everything was said and done.

NOT directed at anyone in particular...but please don't forget this story is dealing with a British case and has nothing to do with federal money, constitutions or being "un-american".

These are English parents who have suffered at the hands of the British law system, if they are going to proceed any further they will probably be taking it to the European courts.

Updated story (12/02/2009) is here: dailymail.co.uk

A couple forced to give up three children for adoption despite a judge ruling they may have been wrongly accused of abuse yesterday vowed to take their legal fight to Europe.

Good luck to them, I hope we can follow their story and share it here on ATS.

I personally feel there are some important issues related to this story and that some of the basic concepts of the "family" will be put under the magnifying glass.

I also find it interesting that this story isn't being more publicised. I guess Corporate Media don't believe much in family values and don't get involved in ethics. They call it "impartiality" don't they.

A different case if they can instill fear with a child abduction, murder, paedeophilia or (genuine) abuse case, but because their fat-cat buddies in their high-court high-chairs and the government employed workers made a cock-up....it's all a bit more hush-hush.

So good luck to Mark and Nicky Webster, their four children and all the adoptive parents, I hope things work out well and that the doctor, judges and all others involved are grilled to death by their peers and take full responsibility for their actions.

Peace.....nerb

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I have left a comment on the website showing my support and thanking the newspaper for sharing it and encouraging them to keep up/increase their own involvement and support, feel free to do the same.

[edit on 12/2/2009 by nerbot]

Originally posted by skeptic1
While I agree that it was horrible that these kids were taken away from their parents due to a "mistake"

, what kind of impact would returning them now cause?

This is a horrible miscarriage of justice, but those kids are now settled with new families (or a new family) and haven't seen their natural parents for years. What kind of upheaval would returning them cause the kids? Especially if they were just snatched out of their current homes and returned to people who are basically strangers to them now.

This never should have happened in the first place, but it did. Instead of being "too late", maybe the kids should be slowly reintroduced to their natural parents and see what happens.

Are you #ing crazy? The only place they should be is with their real parents. The adoptive parents would know that it would be in the best interest of the children.

How can something like this happen. The kids should be returned to their real family immediately.

reply to post by Quiintus



I am about tired of being called idiotic, stupid, foolish, and crazy in this thread.

I never said that the natural parents should be kept from their children. I said that the reintroduction should be slow so as not to further traumatize the children.

Some people need to learn how to read and process what they read before posting knee-jerk reactions.


[edit on 2/12/2009 by skeptic1]

Originally posted by skeptic1
I am about tired of being called idiotic, stupid, foolish, and crazy in this thread.

And Kudos to you for your continued opinions.

You're right, some people don't read things like this very well. I guess it shows just how delicate the subject is and that some people are just plain angry at what they read.

Nobody's fault, we're only human, and what's more human than family values.

I still understand your point of view and agree about us not knowing enough to make such hasty comments when we're not directly involved or informed.

I'd like to think that some of the replies you've had are the result of good old fashioned passion and not just ignorance. Even I was "heated" at the beginning of this thread.

Thanks for bringing a bit of rationality and a level head into this thread...big star for you. *

reply to post by DarrylGalasso


I could not agree MORE!

reply to post by skeptic1


I think it could do a lot of good for the children to be back with thier natural parents, even if they do not relize it now. When these kids grow up they are probably going to feel bad and wonder how things could have been. They are also not going to have much faith in the legal system if this situation is not made right. The bonds children make early in life last forever.

This is really wrong. Things like this make a person want to do something illogical and violent.

On a slightly different note when your house or property is confiscated because you are accused of dealing drugs you will not get it back even if you are found to be not guilty in court.

What can you do? You cannot sue the federal government and win.

Originally posted by darkelf
This just goes to show that YOU do not have any legal right to your own children. They are OWNED by the state and the state can and will do with them as they please.

Isn't that called Slavery?