Planet X Nibiru inhabited and inbound?

Ancient Sumerian texts indicate that the Earth (" Tiamat ") was struck by a large planet, which moved it into its present orbit, and created the Moon and the Asteroid Belt. In his books, The Twelfth Planet and The Cosmic Code, Zecharia Sitchin outlines this "celestial battle" as described in the Babylonian text called Enuma elish. The planet "Marduk" (the Sumerian " Nibiru "), as it came into the solar system on its clockwise elliptical course, struck Tiamat, which was moving in its ordained counterclockwise orbit. One of Marduk's satellites struck Tiamat first, followed by two more of Marduk's moons. Then Marduk itself, an enormous planetary body, struck Tiamat, smashing one half of the planet into pieces, which became the Earth's Moon and the "Great Band" (Asteroid Belt). The other half of the planet, which was struck by a smaller moon of Marduk, was moved into a new orbit, along with a chunk of material which became its moon. The new planet was then called "KI," meaning "cleaved one." The Earth's original moons were dispersed, many changing the direction of their orbits.

Sitchin has also written in Divine Encounters, the planet where God the creator resides is referred to in the Bible as Olamin, the plural of Olam. The meaning of "olam" in the ancient world was a measure of a really long time, specifically related to the span of time between the periodic disappearance and reappearance of the planet Marduk/Nibiru on its vast 3,600 year elliptical orbit.

[edit on 8-2-2009 by alienmanipulation]

Hate to poo-poo you... but there's a plethora of threads in other boards on these forums about how Sitchin's material has been proven wholly incorrect.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Michael S. Heiser is a PhD in ancient Sumerian and Mesopotamian languages. He systematically refutes every single claim Sitchin makes with at least 2 references and in many cases several more.

For a long time Sitchin was able to get away with his claims because his nature was out of the mainstream and the people who knew more than him simply didn't care.

Time took care of that and proved Sitchin to be little more than a misguided hobbiest or an outright charlatan.

Don't fear Nibiru if you're basing those fears on Sitchin.

Cheers!

Originally posted by cogburn
Michael S. Heiser is a PhD in ancient Sumerian and Mesopotamian languages. He systematically refutes every single claim Sitchin makes with at least 2 references and in many cases several more.

lol... why reference a PHD?

Why not use your own eyes, look at a 5000 year old clay tablet that CLEARLY has a solar system, with the sun in the middle, and ROUND planets around it?

Does your PHD see it? Was the earth not considered flat 500 years ago? And here 5000 year old tablet correctly depicts the solar system, just getting the Sun in the center should impress anyone with an IQ to grasp it

For those like yourself who can't discern data themselves, no matter how simple, refer to PHDs not worth their salt

line by line indeed...lol...

Originally posted by cogburn
Hate to poo-poo you...

Hate to poop in your face again, but here's a link, what is it, get back to me with your PHD lol

www.sitchin.com...

just use your eyes, no need for your pretentious nonsense

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Except that's not a symbol for the sun... it's not a representation of our solar system... it's a representation of a constellation.

I'll use both my eyes and my brain, thank you.

EDIT: Given you posted a pic of VA243 I'm guessing you didn't even click on the link I posted. Deny ignorance.

[edit on 8-2-2009 by cogburn]

Do yourself a favour and read this entire website for a more accurate description of the seal supposedly showing our solar system.

In simplest terms, the alleged "sun" in the upper left corner of the seal isn't a sun, and so the artwork doesn't depict the sun and our solar system. It's a STAR. We know this because of the consistent sun iconography of Sumero-Mesopotamian art. In case you're thinking, "well the sun is a star", the Sumerians and Mesopotamians distinguished these bodies in their artwork. One of the most common artistic motifs in Sumero-Mesopotamian art is the depiction of sun, crescent moon, and star TOGETHER, side by side. This shows they distinguished the symbols (and these bodies. Hence, to a Sumerian, the symbol on VA 243 was not the sun:

www.michaelsheiser.com...

All of Sitchins work is based on conjecture and his wild imagination. He has no evidence whatsoever to back up his claims. He's also a hypocrite because in his earlier work he clearly demonstrated that Nibiru (Planet X) would not return in our life time, but now even he has turned full circle and jumped aboard the 2012 band wagon. Charlatans will say & do anything to sell a book & sucker naive, gullible people into parting with their money.

www.sitchin.com...

[edit on 8-2-2009 by kindred]

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Apparently it should be visible from the south pole (and theoretically most of the southern hemisphere), why don't you find some contact information for some antarctic bases and ask them if they see something unusual in the sky?

[edit on 8-2-2009 by Chadwickus]

lol... why reference a PHD?

Why not use your own eyes, look at a 5000 year old clay tablet that CLEARLY has a solar system, with the sun in the middle, and ROUND planets around it?

Does your PHD see it? Was the earth not considered flat 500 years ago? And here 5000 year old tablet correctly depicts the solar system, just getting the Sun in the center should impress anyone with an IQ to grasp it

For those like yourself who can't discern data themselves, no matter how simple, refer to PHDs not worth their salt

line by line indeed...lol...

When you have finished being unnecessarily rude to people that answer your posts, I'd suggest you read this ATS Thread about Sitchin.

A PHd requires critical thinking, years of study and a vast amount of experience in their given field. In simpler terms, they are paid for what they know. When you leave school you'll understand the value of a good education and the importance of manners. I'd suggest you u2u an apology to Cogburn.

Now go to your room and think about you done did

[edit on 8-2-2009 by Kandinsky]

The guy who runs www.sitchiniswrong.com... has repeatedly emailed Sitchin with questions, asking him to refute his claims and prove he is right.. I do believe there's even some money involved, though I could be wrong.

Sitchin hasn't responded.

Sort of says a lot.

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You say in your thread title “Planet X Nibiru inhabited and inbound?”
I couldn’t find any reference in your text what its inhabited with. Doesn’t it get cold on an orbit like that?

in the case of who is right about this nibiru

first, how many of us would be on this forum, if we took for granted everything mainstream society and science has told us? how many of us would be here, if we just accpted what we are told by all these people in the 'know'?

before jumping off the fence, realize there is no fence, there are only the words of all the people involved and your opinion.....

but, i have to swing away just a wee bit, on this nibiru... anyone familiar with the description of the return of the 'kingdom of jerusalem' as related in the bible, revelations (not sure of chapter atm)....

there is described the return of one really big, cube shaped, 'ship', hey, after i read the descritopn, i could only come up with the one answer, a ship

could this returning 'planet' really just be a clue for a really big 'space-ship'?

yeh, it might have gone off topic, but sheesh, everything on this site seems to be connected, as after all, it is the supposed same people behind all this, or is it?

I have heard tell that apparently its atmosphere keeps a lot of heat in.

Or something.

It involved a lot of gold, for some reason. That's why they came to earth fourty million years ago and created humanity to use as mining slaves.

Or something.

[edit on 8/2/2009 by comawhite015]

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Hate to poo-poo you... but there's a plethora of threads in other boards on these forums about how Sitchin's material has been proven wholly incorrect.

Would you know if Sitchin has ever once defended his position in a debate ? I've looked around but can't seem to find anything where he openly debates an academic, which he is apparently something he is not.

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I have said it before and I will say it again, I can always tell when someone has not read Sitchin’s work by the way they try and debunk him – really bad form.

Now, as for the PhD, I read his article. It is typical. He concentrates entirely on the seal. This is the easiest thing to attack because it is very subjective. In fact, he states several times that “It may mean this, or it may mean that…”. In other words, he does not have a clue. Why? Because he also admits he is not an expert in this field. So why he even bother arguing it I will never know.

Anyway, IF you had read Sitchin’s work you would know that he places far more emphases on the Sumerian text – NOT the seal.

In the TEXT the Sumerians refer to:

SUN: .......................................Apsu, “ one who existed from thebeginning”
MERCURY: ...............................Mummu, “ counsellor and emissary of Apsu”
VENUS: ...................................Lahamu, “Lady of battles”
MARS: .....................................Lahmu, “deity of war”
Earth: .....................................Tiamat, “maiden who gave life”
JUPITER: .................................Kishar, “foremost of firm lands”
SATURN: .................................Anshar, “foremost of the heavens”
PLUTO: ....................................Gaga, “counsellor and emissary of Anshar”
URANUS: .................................Anu, “he of the heavens”
NEPTUNE: ................................Nudimmud (Ea), “artful creator”

In that order, because Pluto used to be a moon of Saturn.

Sitchin, using the Sumerian text accurately predicted (in 1976) the colour and size of Uranus and Neptune, and even that Neptune was on its side. None of this was known to science until it was verified by Voyager when it passed and photographed these planets in 1989.

The Sumerians also knew a lot of other things that science still doesn’t get. Read the book if you want to know more.

So please ask your PhD to explain how the Sumerians knew so much about the outer planets? And how did they know about Pluto?? Modern science didn’t discover Pluto till the 1930’s. Now some are saying Pluto is too small to be a planet…hmmmm, interesting.

Ps to comawhite015 : they didn’t come here 40 million years ago, it was about 450,000 years ago.

I was under the impression that that seal was some sort of receipt.

My mistake.

Do we know of *anyone* who can correlate Sitchin's work though?

Anyone at *all*?


[edit on 8/2/2009 by comawhite015]

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I have,like many others, a mixed feeling about Nibiru. However, in my life I have had some experiences that bespeaks of every plant in our system being inhabited, and their technology make the Sun appear right out the window, as if were in the sky like here on Earth. If you, and others, would like to have an understanding of these things, then you should read this book...
"A Day With An Extraterrestrial"
www.lulu.com...

The author's name is Lou Baldin, you may know him as "Sleeper."

Description:

Based on a true story. A man’s encounter with an extraterrestrial being breaks down the illusions of life and the institutions that govern such illusions, such as religion, science, and governmental sovereignty. The information is eye and mind opening and filled with the realities that intelligent life on earth is simply one planet out of billions that exist in the Milky Way galaxy, which is teeming with similar and much more exotic, super being, type life forms. The earth is not flat, it is not the center of the universe, and certainly is not unique in any way, shape, or form.

www.lulu.com...

If the reader wishes to read the thread created by Sleeper, I found it in cache, don't know if it's still active or not, it wouldn't load for me. Here is the url....
/abwdxz

Sorry WatchNLearn but if you're selling a theory, you should at least have evidence to back it up and Sitchin has none whatsoever, just a highly vivid imagination. I have read all of Sitchins Earth chronicle books, and it's all bunk. As for the planet names, they are simply made up by Sitchin and if you actually took the time to do some research rather than believe everything you read in a conspiracy book, you'd already know that.

Sumerian

Moon= Nanna

Mercury= Enki

Venus= Inanna

Sun= Utu

Mars= Gugulanna

Jupiter= Enlil

Saturn= Ninurta



www.weasner.com...

Originally posted by cogburn
Hate to poo-poo you... but there's a plethora of threads in other boards on these forums about how Sitchin's material has been proven wholly incorrect

Hate to poo poo on you....

Earth Hit by Neighbor in Making of Moon

The leading theory for the Moon's formation has a Mars-sized object slamming into Earth about 4 billion years ago, shortly after our planet formed. The evidence is partly in the Moon's composition, which is similar to the upper portions of Earth.

source

Full Story on the Moon

Scientists have theorized about the origin of the moon for centuries, and many implausible theories abound. But there is one very plausible explanation about the birth of the moon, which not only answers where it came from, but explains the earth and moon's rotation and current orbit. Called the Big Impact Theory, it states that the moon was created when another celestial body about the size of mars crashed into the earth. It was such a cataclysmic event that the earth swallowed up the body that crashed into it, absorbing it into its own mass and increasing it to its current size. Another major side effect of the collision was the ejection of a large chunk of earth's rock which was sent into orbit around the earth, becoming its moon.

SOURCE

Was Moon Born From Planet's Crash Into Earth?

"We determined that a Mars-sized impactor would work the best," said Canup. She and co-author Erik Asphaug, a scientist at the University of California at Santa Cruz, proposed their scenario in a study that appeared last week in the scientific journal Nature.

SOURCE

It seems hard science has much in common with Sitchin's theories.

There are quite a few references to the five visible planets on clay tablets. There is no proof they ever referenced the rest of the planets in our solar system. This guy is guessing... and guessing badly. Well perhaps not.. his wild guesswork has led to many books making him a fair amount of $$$ to anyone who buys his gibberish. Maybe he is smarter than we think. New age 'research' which is very sloppy with a lot of guesswork and self-interpretation does seem to sell well these days.

The PHD is MUCH more on if he says he doesn't know what it means. Because there IS no way to know. It's impossible to know without further points of reference. But that didn't stop Sitchen from making wild guesses, and then proclaiming they are fact.

[edit on 8-2-2009 by fleabit]

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I have read Mr Sitchin's early books, and he talks of rockets and launching pads. I do realize that metal can rust, but there would be some type of evidence of rockets that would be found in the hot arid desert. The conditions in the desert would preserve the metal (or at least some pieces of it). Nothing has been found to back up his claims.

It is also interesting Mr Sitchin describes the way the Annunaki getting around is by use of 1970s type rockets, and even speculates where they took off.

Also of note is the lack of reference to Charon, Pluto's sister planet. It was considered a moon once, but since it is the same size and they orbit around each other, they are considered sister dwarf planets. Also, no mention of Eris, Sedna, Makemake, and so on. There is also no mention of the larger moons of Jupiter and Saturn. If Galileo discovered those objects, wouldn't the Pluto observing Sumerians observe and record them also?

Mr Sitchin's books are entertaining, but his conclusions are flawed.